Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Lady Lambdadelta]

{Gimli, Cephrir}
{Sail}
{Detective Penguin, Save The Dragons}
{Korina}
{Radical Rat, Lady Lambdadelta}
{Ethel}
{Umlaut}
{furtiveglance, redFF}

I don’t think Cephrir comes up with 232 as scum. I'm already dead; sorting out the technicalities of my claim is effort he needn't put in. The thought process of spotting a potential abuse of exact wording tracks with him developing genuine thoughts, showing critical thinking and targeted solving.

LLD's move downwards is simply further doubts about her approach being town. I had a thought last night which made me doubt her towniness. Her posts have a lot of bravado to them. She isn’t engaging with most of the game. She isn’t reevaluating. Her reasoning feels set to the read, because she genuinely

is

just making stuff up about me. Call it bias, but I happen to know her callouts are entirely wrong on every level. Her stance on me feels divorced from reality, not just because of my alignment, but because of the description of my play.

She already justified being wrong about me by making a self-evidently empty promise of being BoP'd. We all know after my townflip, LLD won’t

actually

volunteer as tribute to be eliminated. So her offer wasn't genuine.

Does this make her scum?

Idk honestly.

It gives me enough hesitancy to place her at null tho.

{Gimli, Cephrir}
{Sail}
{Detective Penguin, Save The Dragons}
{Korina}
{Ethel}
{Radical Rat, Lady Lambdadelta}
{redFF}
{furtiveglance}
{Umlaut}

Current thoughts.

Hey, so what bumped Ethel up this list?

Like, I recognize I'm asking someone who is making fake reads lists to justify a change that they'll hand wave away but I'm sort of hoping people will see how little you're interacting here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You should probably claim. You're dying today either way.

For someone claiming they're reading the game, you're apparently quite bad at it.

I repeatedly have already claimed.

I act N1.
I've no need to specify role because my role will flip. It’s the night which won’t. Contrary to your claims I'm

trying to save myself,

I've made it quite clear I know I'm dead today. Why do I need to claim my role? It'll flip when I do, minus the night. I've stated the night; N1. So between my statement and

my flip,

all the info's already there.

"I act N1" isn't a claim. A Role is a claim.

Oh, also?

The bolded contradict themselves. If you're trying to save yourself, you won't flip. If you don't flip, you're not claiming. Additonally, a claim is the only thing that might save you here because frankly if you're genuinely a N1 Cop then it's worth letting you cook that night action for one night and seeing if Mafia shoot you in your face or not.

And then we kill you.

But "I act N1" isn't a claim and I know you know that. I get you like to be obtuse and then claim how good your logic is by comparison to everyone elses (when it's never good, but I digress) but this is somehting I know you know.

[Detective Penguin]

It's not contradictory if she says she's not trying to save herself though...which she did say.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wonder how much of this is anti-spew. If you knew from the moment I started laughing and voting you day 1 you were dead no matter what so you just started posting as much misinfo as possible to make us become misled by your red flip.

That's actually really possible. It's precisely what you'd do in this scenario. You know I'm not letting you go. You know I'm going to tear your throat open. Why not just anti-spew?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's not contradictory if she says she's not trying to save herself though...which she did say.

Oh, I misread it.

lmfao.

I mean come on she writes "contrary to your claims I'm trying to save myself" and I process that as a full sentence lmfao

[Ranger]

Hey, so what bumped Ethel up this list?

I realized I had her too low accidentally the first time, and corrected it the second.

Tbh I haven’t given her placement the proper thought it warrants. Null might be better. I don’t have a scumread there currently; the prior list having her south of null was thus done erroneously. I don’t know what my read is

precisely

, it needs more thought.

She is definitely not to be lumped in with the likes of Umlaut, furtiveglance, or redFF tho.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Alright, that point isn't valuable. My bad, lmfao.

[Detective Penguin]

punctuation is important!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey, so what bumped Ethel up this list?

I realized I had her too low

accidentally the first time, and corrected it the second.

Tbh I haven’t given her placement the proper thought it warrants. Null might be better. I don’t have a scumread there currently; the prior list having her south of null was thus done erroneously. I don’t know what my read is

precisely

, it needs more thought.

She is definitely not to be lumped in with the likes of Umlaut, furtiveglance, or redFF tho.

Uh huh.

This is all a bunch of words none of which explain the primary premise.

You realized you had her too low. Okay, so what made you overlook her and what posts of hers made you put her above Null?

[Ranger]

I mean come on she writes "contrary to your claims I'm trying to save myself" and I process that as a full sentence lmfao

Punctuation is important. The location of commas is meaningful. :P

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I mean come on she writes "contrary to your claims I'm trying to save myself" and I process that as a full sentence lmfao

Punctuation is important. The location of commas is meaningful.

I'm going to enjoy killing you, ahahah. <3

[Ranger]

You realized you had her too low. Okay, so what made you overlook her and what posts of hers made you put her above Null?

She has no posts containing real content. I initially scumread that. At some point, likely when others engaged her (including a comment of, "she's a treasure, I don’t want to eliminate her"), I changed my mind. I'm not sure what to, yet. I need to give that thought. All I know is, she doesn’t belong among actual scumreads I have tangible reasons for.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You realized you had her too low. Okay, so what made you overlook her and what posts of hers made you put her above Null?

She has no posts containing real content. I initially scumread that. At some point, likely when others engaged her (including a comment of, "she's a treasure, I don’t want to eliminate her"), I changed my mind. I'm not sure what to, yet. I need to give that thought. All I know is, she doesn’t belong among actual scumreads I have tangible reasons for.

So then why is she above Null?

Also, Ceph's personal emotional opinion about someone from Mash Side is irrelevant.

[furtiveglance]

LLD, what's the tell?

Why would I say that if I'm gonna run into Ranger again lol

Because we're playing this game now, and you need to back up your push with something?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, what's the tell?

Why would I say that if I'm gonna run into Ranger again lol

Because we're playing this game now, and you need to back up your push with something?

If you don't think I've backed up my push, you've not been reading this game.

But also, no, I really don't. I can just say GUT! >=D and kill someone, if people agree with me.

Cases are scummy and I don't need to prove anything to you. When Ranger flips scum, it'll be proof enough.

[Save The Dragons]

Sail feels underwhelming

[Save The Dragons]

I think lld trs are premature. she might do this either alignment, at least I think so

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think lld trs are premature. she might do this either alignment, at least I think so

Aww you do care. <3

Help me kill Ranger today?

[Save The Dragons]

Not sure yet

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not sure yet

Coward. :3

If you think my push is NAI, you should be flipping it to read me. Not generating paranoia and then going to find a counter wagon.

It's not townie to say "lld town reads premature, also I won't flip The read she is confident in"

[PenguinPower]

what are you going to do if ranger flips town?

[Detective Penguin]

what are you going to do if ranger flips town?

gah

[Lady Lambdadelta]

what are you going to do if ranger flips town?

gah

Step back and reassess. Allow others to lead tomorrow, get new reads and provide where my views have changed but generally try not to force a domino effect of my reads being the chained elimination reasons so that the game develops.

Essentially what I am supposed to do if I get it wrong as town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The question doesn't actually answer much for you this is a proven thing I do as both alignments post town elimination.

But you asked so I'm answering.

[Save The Dragons]

Ranger acts n1

So either let her act

Or she's mafia being cheeky because mafia act n1

Either way I'm not sring you nor am I super interested in her atm