Micro 1071: MafiaInFreezer v2023 (Game Over)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: SirCakez

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're all cowards for not putting cakez at E-1 on page 1

word

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i agree that i also wanna kill kilga but we kill cakez first because they're partnered.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

aight bet

can we run-off vote Kilga and Cakez and kill one of them by page 10 please?

People should weigh in with their votes, let's just kill someone.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to hammer

I kinda wanna kill cakeboy more bc his posting this page is rough

hammering is for losers get on the train loser

and i agree i'm on the cakez first train

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If hammerings for losers and I am a loser wouldn’t that mean I should hammer

ah shit

i got played

[Lady Lambdadelta]

fuck I almost forgot

Dayvig: LLD

NUKE: SYRYANA

[Lady Lambdadelta]

although I fucking LOVE LiS: True Colors and we should talk about that game sometime that is not now

LiS as a series is good!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

these distractions are keeping us from the true sweet death

something something blood for the blood gods

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what is this cowardice catboi

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WAIT DUNN YOUR AVVY OH MY GOD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Polymewl is gonna be so ridiculous

[Lady Lambdadelta]

UNVOTE: Ydrasse

Of all the presences in the thread so far, VOTE: Wavelength sticks in my mind the least by a fair amount.

Feels like !science is trying to push continued beginning-of-day-1 jokiness a little harder and a little longer than everyone else. Would be willing to vote there too.

I've never seen Notty called that before I literally had to read it three times before I got it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've never seen Notty called that before I literally had to read it three times before I got it.

It's a programming thing, the ! stands for "not"

yes i

i do know what that means

as indicated by how i figured it out

...do you always talk down to people like this =(

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it's also just a general logic term

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I know I asked people to exercise restrain but this is perhaps too much restraint lol

i am high my friend

i want to murder cakez still

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh, right

[Lady Lambdadelta]

look man you asked for geriatric lol

i tried to kill people, you went all scaredy cat (heh) and now i'm demotivated (read: sidetracked)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

can we kill cakez, then when cakez flips scum kill Wavelength for that above string of posts?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

kilga can be town, maybe. still okay with kilga dying later.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

claim then

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD actually try to talk to me I feel like this whole game you've just been like sitting on your lame scumread of me and not really trying to solve elsewhere

talking is so boring killing you is so much more fun

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i can talk i guess lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What do you think about notscience this game?

i think you're scum

sorry what was the question

[Lady Lambdadelta]

my eyes are too lame to read it properly

[Lady Lambdadelta]

notty looks like notty to me, but that's fakable tbh

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey guys you’re stopping him from playing the game after he *checks notes* had to be brought to e-1 to play

Ninja
Lld looks like lld to me, but that’s fakeable

Yeah but ur the "transparent" one lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Wavelength

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i got cold feet what can i say

[Lady Lambdadelta]

watch me chirp

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mmm

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I want to kill Notty today

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I unvoted them for a reason.

I got massive cold feet.

The fact that people hammered past my cold feet was.... Bad.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

not low info for me i was wanting to kill them today sorta

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oops lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay, please kill me quickly thanks

[Lady Lambdadelta]

should i self vote to get out of here faster?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: LLD

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm super hyper uncomfortable with the way day 1 went down, with Cakez' reaction to being pushed and my back off being ignored.

i would very much like to die and then i would like ydra to die since she's probably town so we can lose as optimally quickly as possible

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i'm supposed to feel guilty or something for just giving up here but i legitimately don't care anymore. can't bring myself to care.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

come on @Syryana @notscience please just come kill me thanks

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You wrote "I got cold feet" and expected what, the entire wagon to fall over? Seriously?

nope

i don't expect anything

but this is a good point and i'm definitely scum for not trying hard enough or negative emotional flashbacks about [Redacted because ongoing games].

[Lady Lambdadelta]

come on, i'm asking to die. can't let me live now, if i get to ELO and win you'll all look like fools.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The 269/270 is the first sequence where I see it and say, "Okay, I can see town writing this". That's obviously very thin but I think notty is more likely to take that much self-assuredness in him being town if he actually has a town role PM to back it up. It would be a nulltell if I was posting it but for him I kind of think it rings true.

come on don't focus on anything else i'm scum you'll have plenty of time to find my associatives tomorrow right

[Lady Lambdadelta]

um
standing emoji

come on, i need your vote here

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh i'm a VT if it matters too, so you don't even have to feel bad about killing a power role claim this time

[Lady Lambdadelta]

um
standing emoji

just googled this and realized this is a cultural symbol for feeling awkward

sorry that i'm putting you in that position

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i
am not going to vote currently

pedit its okay i just dont know how to respond to this atm
maybe step away for a bit and come back?

no i have no intention of living through today

or giving reads on my way out since they won't be listened to anyway

even after i die i'll probably still be blamed for not protecting cakez enough

[Lady Lambdadelta]

but you're right something just broke inside me and i'm not wholy sure how to fix it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like i know i'm supposed to care and try, but i can't.

i'm supposed to feel some kind of emotion here? but it's just empty

and i've been trying all day to get the WIM required to play this game

and reading that series of peta posts about how i'm being blamed for Cakez' death coupled with the heartfelt apology to Cakez after how cakez felt literally snapped the last bit of sanity i have left

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and the worst part is i can't even talk about it because ongoing games

[Lady Lambdadelta]

please kill me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I don't want to be the fucking bully here I'm just trying to play the game where my head has not been in it but clearly this approach is not helpful. I would prefer to give you space because clearly this right now is unhelpful and unpleasant for everyone involved so I'm going to limit my engagement here for now. Hopefully in the future we can both be in a spot to have actual dialogue.

you're not the bully somehting is just WRONG with me.

okay?

this isn't you this is me osmething is wrong with me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yeah my bad

[Lady Lambdadelta]

look you want the whole everything i've been feeling all day?

seeing cakez go "i'm quitting mafia" fucking broke my soul, alright? cakez has had this marked problem since the game we referenced in this game where Cabd killed them day 1 where people don't even give them a chance and so when i backed off i assumed there would be space to give reasons later because i wasn't feeling up to posting why i felt cakez was town all of a sudden

but then the quick hammer crew came and i just had to come back to a locked thread and watch cakez die and write all that

so i think okay i'll feel guilty as shit for being the fucking singular person who shoved cakez into that position and made them want to quit because i'm a piece of shit who couldn't even gather enough energy to save the fucking person when i did change my mind. it'd be one thing if it was a wrong read but i just let them down. I let them down and i feel completely demoralized.

so tried being ANGRY instead. Getting upset with Notty for hammering but he was just trying to have fun too and he's my friend so getting ANGRY didn't work so i just got EMPTY. so so so so empty. posting in this game became a herculean trial. i get prodded multiple times including the one today and so i'm like okay okay i have to do something so i cmoe back in read the thread and it's just "oh LLD probably was just being scum and not trying very hard" and it hit my guilt all over again but then i saw the apology to cakez and i was like i can't even apologize. i was the one responsible for making this friend of mine want to quit mafia and i can't do anything about it and now i have to try and defend myself about it?

i can't. i couldn't. i... it's too much.

something is wrong with me and it's my fault.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

unvote

i'm sorry i made more problems for everyone

[Lady Lambdadelta]

was prodded

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i will try to reengage

[Lady Lambdadelta]

okay okay i'm finding a good headspace and mafia is sort of fun again, i'm....

someone talk to me, lol

someone ask me questions, i guess

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who do you think is town?

Ydra.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who do you think is town?

Ydra.

And what is your reasoning for that read?

tone, mostly. approach feels town, tone feels town, posts look nervous and reflexive in a way that is indicative of Ydra sorting and wanting to have a good game rather than seeing opportunity.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't even know what you're asking me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

like i saw the "maybe LLD can square this for me" but if it doens't parse on my first pass right now i'm just ignoring it lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yes I'm fucking with you, i don't know what elements of her play you consider suspicious here. i know i'm making you do more work than i otherwise usually would but treat me like i'm barely holding on this game lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

Please don't do this.

so i can't even joke now lmfao

got it

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i don't even know what you're asking me

Basically, you think Ydrasse is town. I think Ydrasse is a wolf for repeatedly refusing to explain why she has the suspicions/thought processes she has posted. My request to you was to square that behavior with your town read, e.g. give me a reason to think it's an honest town approach and not a wolf making shit up.

okay, sure.

so back when the game started there was this little queue in the notifications bar where Ydra had to then open an unread Private Message which turned out to contain her role PM which happened to be green.

So you see she can't be scum, she's got a green role PM.

Please don't do this.

so i can't even joke now lmfao

got it

Joke? No, that's the kind of snarky, condescending thing people say to "caught scum". Kilga deserves better and I'm politely requesting you refrain from such in the future.

Yeah no that's not what this post is doing at all. This is the kind of thing I say to people when they ask me to explain a town read and they've given me nothign I can follow wrt their scumread so I can't even debate it outside of the points I have literally already said.

I'm politely requesting you refrain from being the arbiter of what is and isn't acceptable, and that you consider which of the two of us in that scenario is more consecending, the person making a joke because they've said literally all they can currently say, or the person making a fucking big deal of assumptions out of a joke post that was referenced in the post immediately after as being a joke and just assuming they're right.

You do a lot of that "Assuming you're right" stuff.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Go on, tell me what I really meant some more. Mansplain my intention to me just a tiny bit more yeah?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

yes I'm fucking with you, i don't know what elements of her play you consider suspicious here. i know i'm making you do more work than i otherwise usually would but treat me like i'm barely holding on this game lol

like what the fuck do you think this is Syr. "I don't know what elements of her play you consider suspicious" "I know I'm making you do the work to show me, but show me" "I'm fucking with you, the above was a joke".

Like jesus fucking christ who died and made you the tone police Syr. Who decided you're the one who gets to pick and choose when I'm allowed to jest and have fun and what is and isn't acceptable?

I'm being civil and open about where I'm at. I made a joke, it was explained and given full due respect of my stance in the literal post after, you just like being superior and condescending to others so you didn't bother reading the follow up. Even when you were told it was a joke, you decided no. Someone telling you what it was isn't the correct answer. What YOU decide is true is correct.

How arrogant and entitled do you have to be to think you get to decide that?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is pissing me off.

The interaction was

"Can LLD explain this thing?
"No one answered me!"
"I saw it but didn't understand the question"
"Ydra has scummy interactions and I want you to explain how they are town for me"
"Well I have no idea what you're referring to, so I'm going to joke about how I know because I know, and then do actual serious talk asking for those receipts to be provided such that I can provide that insight"

There's nothing disrespectful here. I made a joke about someone being town because they have a green role PM because I had nothing left to say and then immediatelly followed up with a humble request for assistance in providing the required things.

To interpret this as you have done and try to shame me for fucking trying to re-engage with this game and have a little lighthearted fun as I do requires you to think you are so superior and so morally self righteous that you don't even bother to read context or other posts.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

mmm

i have a list of players i'm worried about and it's way too long so someone's gotta be town lmfao

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm gonna be honest I looked at that notty post and my first instinct was "antispew". I try to avoid saying that because it's really not nice to say about someone when it's incorrect, but. Feels like beyond phoning it in it's refusing to commit to anything meaningful which I'd associae with not wanting to give anything away

right but this day is so fragile and unmotivated, if Notty just took a hard line stand on say like, Syr, he'd kill Syr.

Hardline stance in Kilga maybe kills Kilga.

So Notty could live here, why isn't he trying to?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Syr is town

no one is more town than you are supposed to be knowing wise.

are you content to just die?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I told you coming into today I expected to die in karmic retribution lol

I think clearing me off the board keeps me from being a marci tomorrow so logistically, yeah, I think it makes sense

do you have a claim, or is it just VT?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, I’m gardevoir

my brain is full of worms because i went looking for a deez nuts joke here in a panic

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway, i don't want to kill notty today anymore, sadly.

there's been enough apathy and very little time left that this new apathy string doesn't feel like it saves him so i wonder

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway, i don't want to kill notty today anymore, sadly.

there's been enough apathy and very little time left that this new apathy string doesn't feel like it saves him so i wonder

then who are you looking at

Syr You or Kilga

[Lady Lambdadelta]

anyway, i don't want to kill notty today anymore, sadly.

there's been enough apathy and very little time left that this new apathy string doesn't feel like it saves him so i wonder

then who are you looking at

Syr You or Kilga

i really think syr is playing his town game here

yeah?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i just don't think Catboi/Kilga are T/T

[Lady Lambdadelta]

argument feeling

i've been getting weird vibes from you both seperately and also your interactions are not showing me T/T. someone in this argument knows too much and the argument is presenting itself that way

it's like... i can't tell you what i'm suppose to expect. but what i am looking at isn't natural and my everything screams it.

so one of you is scum, in my mind, if not both, but probably not both?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Catboi

[Lady Lambdadelta]

so mafia chose to no kill to limit options

i say we no eliminate right back to make them kill.

i'm satisfied with Happily Ever After if they are, at this position, plus it benefits us if we have any semblance of power roles in this game.

If a doctor stopped a kill, I guess claim but we can't even go off that fully.

it's still best to no kill and just HEA or make mafia create a townie for us

As for my current reads, it's Catboi and Syr as the team. It's just the both of them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is a “everyone check in don’t say shit” situation, right?

Everyone MUST check in and if anyone IS a doctor who protected someone last night, that needs to be claimed I think. Even if it means that person is likely to be shot, it's knowledge we should have.

Otherwise, yes, we're just saying nothing more.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I.

Ydra.

If you were a BULLETPROOF WHY DIDN'T YOU

i'm screaming

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So I say "no don't kill Cakez" we kill Cakez

I say "let's do Catboi" and we do Kilga instead

and when I try to get someone to claim something that could have stopped the kill, we turbo no elim to end day faster

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who's scum, Catboi?

who's scum, Syr?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to hear who people want to vote first

hahahah

no.

there's 2 scum first vote doesn't realistically matter

i want to know what my top 2 scum suspects who I think are the scumteam are trying to sell me because I'm supposed to be open minded even though I have 0 information to adjust my reads at this point because everyone who has died has died with my thinking they're town

and the fact i'm alive and haven't been shot means scum either wants me to be the final elimination or i'm wrong on who scum is and i'll lose us this game so

i need your reads

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I want to hear who people want to vote first

hahahah

no.

there's 2 scum first vote doesn't realistically matter

i want to know what my top 2 scum suspects who I think are the scumteam are trying to sell me because I'm supposed to be open minded even though I have 0 information to adjust my reads at this point because everyone who has died has died with my thinking they're town

and the fact i'm alive and haven't been shot means scum either wants me to be the final elimination or i'm wrong on who scum is and i'll lose us this game so

i need your reads

If you think I'm scum then just say you want me to vote first that was my goal with this exercise

no I want you to stop being inflexible about it and tell me your reads

you're doing an absolutes thing which isn't town and yes i suspect you but i'm also tryign to keep myself open and figure things out.

I don't want ANYONE to vote, I want people to declare who they think is scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I assume Catboi/LLD are not performing theater right now, there should be at least 1 in Syryana/Notscience

I'm not sure if I want to make that assumption yet though, from my memory this push only came out near the end of the phase. I guess LLD was voting catboi over kilga

Syr, notsci, what do you make of this?

I named 3 people who I thought were scum and then voted Catboi and said I thoguht syr+catboi is scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

no I want you to stop being inflexible about it and tell me your reads

you're doing an absolutes thing which isn't town and yes i suspect you but i'm also tryign to keep myself open and figure things out.

I don't want ANYONE to vote, I want people to declare who they think is scum

I didn't say I was going to vote I was saying I want people to declare who they want to vote

I don't have a strong idea of who is scum at all


but if you were going to come into the day tunneled on me, I was willing to crossvote you and take the loss if we're both town. that's not a read as much as it is a resignation because I'm aware of the fact that I'm playing pretty poorly

I'm asking you for GTH. I'm not really certain no matter what at this point, I have my current GTH as you/syr. It's ELO though so I'm not gonna just rip it and flip it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If I was forced to vote somebody right now, I'd vote for Syryana

Thank you, this is what I am looking for.

I'd like a partner as well but at least this is fine

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ah yes.

The part of this game where despite having 0 agency all game I am still secrerly the mastermind

[Lady Lambdadelta]

letting the town fuck up while you stand back and watch is valid strategy

Yeah so is just about anything. Doesn't mean they are all equally likely.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes

Literally four of us have been on both miselims

So unless it’s a scumteam of four I don’t get your point, nor do I think syr is scum here

Oh so we have just lost, kay

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Has the game finally come where I get to say the line

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you are town notty and you wont consider syr the game is over because its not peta/Dunn in most any worlds

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You say I guided each elimination. Show evidence of this claim.

At the start of day 1 you are pushing both SirCakez and Kilga, which I believe were both popular pushes at the start of the game. In posts 190 and 247 you switch to pushing SirCakez who ends up being the elimination; you are the third vote our of five so you are the one who pushes this into viability this day phase.

On day 2 you agree with LLD that Catboi/Kilga are not both town in 554 and then move to vote in 558 when Kilga expresses paranoia towards that. You are the second vote on the wagon out of four and manage to convince notscience to join you too. At this point there is less than 24 hours on the clock so I think it is fair to say that this wagon would not have easily shifted to somebody else.

And today you seem to have forgotten the above. Do you think that Kilga/Catboi was not T/T, or do you think that LLD was setting up elims. I'm not seeing either stance from you and a lot of keeping your options open. Instead you're coming after me because I said I thought you were mafia instead of going after previously stated beliefs.

This is the best argument in the thread and everyone who is town should take a nice long look at this.

It's very simple. I said "Catboi+Kilga not TvT." Syr HARD agreed with me. We split on the vote. Syr went Kilga, I went Catboi.

Coming into today, Syr's forgotten about that and isn't even LOOKING at Catboi. He's been about as friendly to catboi as you can be. He asked if Notty was scum. He poked at Dunn being scum. He was actively attempting to discredit me.

the only person he hasn't hedged onto today is Catboi, the one person he's meant to have a strong read/reaction to. Either thinking he's scum due to the prior day statement, or a sudden reversal for Reasons.

He shows neither, and it makes it patently obvious, to me at least, that Syr is scum and his buddy is Catboi.

And I asked people for their reads earlier today without votes, while Catboi tried to lock that discussion down for a reason.

Notty, if you can't tell that you're their Mark. You spent ALL of PYP shouting about how I had an agenda.

If you can't tell that their play has zero to do with actual solves and is full on agenda play, and that YOU'RE the mark here designed to setup the final vote, we've lost.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It would be really nice to have one game where I’m not the mark

Yeah, And I'd like to have a game where I'm actually judged on the actions I take.

You correctly solved me the last game. Really look at what I've done this game and ask yourself if this is how scum LLD approaches things. I know I have infinite range but seriously.

Look at Syr. Doesn't he remind you of me last game? In control, flipping his stories to match his needs. All of a sudden he's certain its Dunn and I once you reflect townreading him.

You found me for being agendafull. Who has agenda this game? This day?

Peta's sudden push onto me day 2 reeked of scum smelling weakness in the water.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Syr goes "I've reconsidered" but he has shown 0 progression on that beyond an opportunistic need to adjust to the way the game is.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is there ever a world where it’s catboi and Dunn? Or is that dumb

I don't think so. That's the one pairing I squint at and go "really?"

I'm trying really hard not to blindly limit myself to one thing but... Syr's turn arounds don't look town to me.

But here's the thing. I just need to find 1 townie. Once I find one townie, the number of worlds are reduced by MILES.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes, well this entire discussion was predecated on "If Notty is town, then his town read on Syr loses us the game".

It's almost as if I'm not certain on anyone yet. It's almost like I literally just said "I need to find one townie to make this easier" and the point of the conversation was to deprogram Notty from being fucking pocketed by you incase he is town, which to my CURRENT UNDERSTANDING OF THE GAME he and dunn are.

Am I certain? No. But I have suspicions and my actions are consistent with my suspicions, including my lack of certainty.

Your actions, on the other hand, contradict your own statements and you have shown zero good reason why you have changed your mind.

You appear to have just woken up and decided "nah I'm good actually".

You voted Kilga over Catboi after agreeing with me and then went "actually it's LLD, Catboi and kilga were town definitely".

so why did you say you agreed yesterday? Was it perhaps just to kill the person who was most suspecting you?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’m trying to find my stake in the ground but it’s a lil difficult in this current arena and given recent games

Look, I'm gonna put a stake in the ground for you.

The best arguments people have brought to bear today for me being scum is "it's possible to sit back and do nothing and win" and "Look, LLD is trying to convince you I'm scum while she's not certain!"

ISO me, pretend I'm scum here, find the moves I made. Seriously, go into it with the mindset that I'm like, cop checked as red or something and go find the moves I made.

Cause you can do it in PYP. the STD vote, my kingtroll defense which was MUCH better done than the thing with Cakez where I just fucking was ABSENT. The Marci vote.

Once you do that, then consider Catboi's stance on me in this game vs that one. Catboi is supposedly bad in ELO, but is showing no signs of nerves. Catboi had a hard time reading me, and you would expect words on that from him this game, if he really thought I was scum he'd be worried about me snowing someone and losing him the game here.

That worry isn't here.

I don't need to tell you what I would and wouldn't do as scum. The OTHER PLAYERS ARE DOING IT FOR ME.

And finally, I know this is a bit of a cheapshot but

Are you really about to sit here in a game with your closest friends and let them pocket you because they left you alive to be bait? Do you think I leave you alive this game if you're town and I'm scum? To sit in endgame with me AGAIN? After how literally helpless I feel with you sometimes? The same reasons I shoot Bell are the reasons I shoot you here.

Also, and this one is a bit cheeky but... I've literally not been wrong this game once. And I get that scum can do that but consider this. I wasn't wrong this game once, and no one decided to look me up on it. No one went "well, okay, let's flip an LLD wagon and see what she's like".

And you know as sure as shit if I was wrong they'd have rode me to the end. Like they did with Cakez, only I hopped off that and they just powered it through ANYWAY.

I don't profess to know the whole scumteam, but I know that I'm town and I think you're able to see it too.

and if you can see me town, and operate with me as town, I can see how you solve from there. And if you're town maybe I can find you fully. You're the one I'm most confident that if you are town I'll find you this way.

And if we can link up... I thikn we can win this game.

That's it. that's my pitch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

See it’s so weird because I am certain you would have killed me prior to today but I also know if I die after flat out trolling this game that leaves like, ydra still alive who was pretty clearly town

I def feel like I’m the bait here. That’s what I said was going to happen yesterday if we guessed wrong but now we can’t kill me to keep me from being a liability

Hm.

If I'm scum here, Ydra alive as a confirmed townie in 3:2 ELO is well to my favour. All respect to Ydra, but... I can just flank with my partner. No matter who my partner would be in that scenario, it's 1 of us on wagon and me off.

The reason you being alive would suck so much for me is you NEVER TRUST ME. YOU NEVER BELIEVE IN ME.

so I can't ever do what I could do as scum to ydra, to you.

And you wanna keep yourself from being a liability here?

Put your faith in me. You're literally struggling against the fact you never trust me despite your instincts screaming I'm town. it's like I'm watching someone have a nervous breakdown live and in real time.

I don't know what the teams are, I don't know the truth.

But I do know if you come out like "LLD is town, I won't vote her" and try solving from the perspective of "which 2 of 3 of Syr/Catboi/Dunn are scum?" I will get to see where your mind is at, and you'll shut down the main window for us to lose today. From my PoV as a townie... you're only here to cast the losing vote on me.

Maybe you're scum and this is a setup and it's Syr/You. But I kind of doubt it, and even more than that, I think I can find you if you're town, and the town thing here, as suspicious as this is for me to say, would be to mark me town because you know in your heart this isn't my scumgame and you being alive is proof enough of it.

Ydra was shot the second time because she'd be confirmed town if she was let to live with no other claims.

Ydra was shot the first time... without knowledge of this. She never claimed it. So look for who shoots Ydra, who shoots Wavelength.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I also don’t think LLD is liable to keep throwing herself into melo with me knowing how often I would be ready to vote her but everyone in this melo knows she’s probably the player I’m most paranoid of remaining on the site (second is probably catboi but one person at a time)

But if anything she’s making the argument that would make sense to me but she’d also know how my MELO logic works having just been in it semi recently

But she’s not wrong in saying she has actually had good reads while the rest of us have been off killing town. I don’t think her Cakez stand was as strong as kingtroll and I do think she hasn’t really had the thread control she’d have tried for as scum because that’s her strong suit why would she play a game in a style that’s not her strong suit? Like I can see the WIFOM argument but like, you don’t see Lamar Jackson throwing the ball every down because we all know he’s a glorified running back and that’s where his strengths lie

Ninja-
I’m working on it .-.

Here's something for your consideration.

Have you noticed that since you said you townread Syr, Catboi has dropped off the face of the earth but Syr has been ramping up his posts?

At this point, the reason I'm doing this with you is because my gut read on the situation is that Syr is going to try and slam himself into a townie and rely on you to be the misvote, because you're townreading him. It almost made me want to just vote Catboi and pre-empt the strategy but instead, I decided that if this strategy is real, if this instinct is true you have to be town.

So convincing you of me being town and disavowing you of your Syr pocket you are living in comfortably on seemingly only his tone is my way to check that strategy.

Not that since I started doing it, Syr has swapped off his main target in Dunn and now it's me. Now it's about how I'm emotionally manipulative when I'm presenting you logical facts. Nothing about this is emotional manip. You SAW emotional manip from me in PYP.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Shock. Awe.

The person who goes "LLD won't work with me regardless of alignment" making it a personal thing, like he's done all game is finally voting me.

Welp. Let's see if two people randomly hammer me or not.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm also suddenly paranoid that Notty has gone fucking dead silent post that vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This is literally what LLD said was going to happen but like, clearly either side would come in with that train of thought

Her banking on me wifoming myself out of it and the other side banking on it

that would require me to mind control someone who literally hates me

I didn't control this, just predict it.

Cause if I had managed to get you to see my way and believe I was gonna vote Catboi. I might still vote Catboi ANYWAY.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

But I also don’t hate how syry voted, like it reads as genuine. Like “thought it over more, LFG”

Ninja-
I def did not anticipate this day turning this direction

Really?

You looked at Syr's vote and you didn't get me voting Ydra vibes?

...maybe I'm supposed to be talking to Catboi.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're supposed to be talking to me I'm pretty sure

Nah, you're going to vote Syr here or you're scum. Like if you're town you already know.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why is that you voting ydra vibes? I don’t really feel like he was at all boxed in there

You don't see that he was losing grip on a win?

the very fact that this is the cross you didn't want to happen, why did it happen now?

because I was selling you on me being town, and on Syr being possibly scum.

So Syr puts down the vote and now it's a cross vote conversation and not a different kind of convo.

It was sudden and impulsive and feeling like he was losing control. He was, if you are town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a fucking headache

Welcome to my hell.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Syryana

You vote too LLD and see what catboi/notsci say?

I'm doing a quick calc on whether there's any world where not voting Syr is correct.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it's never you + notty now.

if Syr is scum there's never a bad reason to do it.

If Syr is town, Catboi is always scum and one of you is waiting for it, but my vote doesn't add anything that you don't already have in terms of game ending ability soooooooooooooo

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Syryana

[Lady Lambdadelta]

up to you Notty. The person who 3 townies died with their last words being they are scum or the person who has been consistently right and agentless across this whole game.

the person who would easily best rely upon you reading them as town and bring you to endgame, or the person who just experienced your endgame and would have had to decide to bring you along.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: syryana

Finally fucking free of this god damn game

?

If it;s you+ dunn you could have both voted me why this

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ah, it's you and Catboi

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yep, this was a fear I had too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I’m also *genuinely* super apologetic about my hammer on Cakez and I didn’t realize how bad it would hit him

nah it's whatever

Syr and I have personal issues it seems, which I tried to put aside but he was apparently not big enough to do. You and Catboi played well. I was pretty close, honestly.

I knew not Dunn+Catboi, and I actually was a lot more certain on Dunn town than I let on for the sake of trying to find the other townie.

But Syr's reactions are just going to be how they are.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm the one at fault for the cakez thing. It's fine.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I just wanted to ignite a fire and make this game fun for everyone

I'm going to be honest I knew Catboi was scum from the moment he pushed onto me, once I got over how guilty I felt about cakez.

But by the point I had gotten over that, it was specifically his reaction to my emotions that had sold me he was scum. The Sigh and unvote was "god damnit".

So I didn't feel comfortable pushing that, or anything. I was trying to work around it and then we get to end of day and...

yeah I crippled myself this game with how bad i felt about cakez

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD it was me, I didn't want to botch a quick hammer and have syr unvote

Oof, wow.

I was well off then. Happens.

Fucking why though.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No wait actually that pisses me off

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You fucking slow rolled me

[Lady Lambdadelta]

After THIS WHOLE GAME

after EVERYTHING.

You fucking SLOWROLLED ME?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No I wanna hear the justification for making me fight needlessly for another series of posts.

Was it just to make me look stupid?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You apologize to Cakez for that whole thing and you think "nah it's fine LLD won't care that we make a fool of her once we already have the game won".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Okay, so let's review.

Syr votes me and then it's dead silent forever. I break that silence, you both show up and you decide OH OKAY SURE INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING "when the clock turns to XX:YY vote LLD" you try to manipulate me into thinking I can still win the game, make me cast the losing vote.

And then when all of that is done and Notty reveals it I go "huh?" "oh it's notty + catboi, got it"

and Notty posts AGAIN AFTER THAT

and it's ONLY ONCE YOU TELL ME Dunn that you're scum that you end the slowroll.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You slow rolled me when the game was done and then slow rolled me AFTER the game was done.

I get you both have lives, I have a life too but this...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

congratulations on the win, you both deserve it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spoiler: like this

this is a shockingly good rule that escapes the stupid real time element of "oh no i need to get my people online!"

i encourage people