Weird Dreams Mafia I [Gone]

[Botanical Rat]

I'm here, I'm playing. It's been all me so far today

[Botanical Rat]

I feel like bacon today tbh

[KawaiiKame]

Sad Kyoko died...
Intending to engage with her when finally having the time to be in this game then the hammer came down on Ranger wtf was that hammer? Was hoping to engage with Kyoko today but she died in the night...
Top town is down to Rat/MT with Ranger and Kyoko dying,

From the rules:

There is at least one guaranteed moderator lie present in this game. Your role, alignment, and any abilities you possess will always be truthful. I will never lie to you about what you can do, or who you win with, or if you know anyone else is aligned with you. Anything else in the game could be lied about. The exact things I will lie about have been determined in the review.

@mod: would saying "Last night, I saw in a dream that Save the Dragons could kill another player" be a possible moderator lie or would it fail the "I will never lie to you about what you can do" condition given Save the Dragons is one of the players reading your post?

^ This feels solving town to me

TL is uncc'd cop so being town is a given
HURT: Botanical Rat, Morning Tweet, Temporal Lich, Imaginality, KawaiiKame, Gimli

[KawaiiKame]

I'm here, I'm playing. It's been all me so far today

What do you think of the game in this state?

[Korina]

VC 2.1

Save The Dragons (2):

DragonEater70, TemporalLich

Gimli (1):

Korina

DragonEater70 (0):

Porkens (0):

Clone (0):

Botanical Rat (0):

Flea The Magician (0):

KawaiiKame (0):

MegAzumarill (0):

Doctor Drew (0):

TemporalLich(0):

Morning Tweet (0):

Empathice (0):

imaginality (0):

Not Voting (12):

Save The Dragnos, Gimli, Porkens, Clone, Botanical Rat, Flea The Magician, KawaiiKame, MegAzumarill, Doctor Drew, Morning Tweet, Empathice, imaginality

With

14

known votes, it takes

8

of them to achieve a majority.

Deadline is in:

(expired on 2023-03-31 18:35:00)

Moderator Notes:

Nothing!

Nightmare

DE is voting for: MegAzumaril, TemporalLich, DragonEater70, Gimli, Morning Tweet, Botanical Rat, Doctor Drew
Flea is voting for: Flea
TL: KawaiiKame, Gimli, Morning Tweet, DragonEater70, Doctor Drew, TemporalLich
Kawaii: Botanical Rat, Morning Tweet, Temporal Lich, Imaginality, KawaiiKame, Gimli

Current tallies are:

Confirmed:

7 Votes:

6 Votes:

5 Votes:

4 Votes:

3 Votes:

Morning Tweet, TemporalLich, Gimli

2 Votes:

Doctor Drew. DragonEater70, , Botanical Rat, KawaiiKame

1 Vote:

MegAzumaril, Flea The Magician, imaginality

With

14

votes present, it takes

8

of them to ensure someone runs the nightmare.

Nobody is confirmed to run the nightmare.

With

14

votes present, it takes

8

of them to ensure someone runs the nightmare.

Pronoun Key

Korina - They/Them
Maruchan - She/Her
DragonEater70 - He/Him
Porkens - He/Him
Clone - He/Him
Save The Dragons - He/Him
Botanical Rat - They/Them || He/She
Radical Rat - They/Them
biancospino - He/She
Gimli - He/Him
Ranger - She/Her
Flea The Magician - Fae/Faer
KawaiiKame - No preference.
MegAzumarill - No preference.
Doctor Drew - He/Him
TemporalLich - No preference.
Morning Tweet - She/Her
Enchant - No preference.
Empathice - He/They
imaginality - He/They
Kyoko Kirigiri - She/Her

[Botanical Rat]

I'm here, I'm playing. It's been all me so far today

What do you think of the game in this state?

I think StD is highly likely a mislim, and the quick votes on him looked really bad.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this whole "saw in a dream" bit is going to happen every night and that some will be true and some false, with that being the guaranteed lies present in the setup, but that's pure speculation for now.

[Gimli]

I mean why is std highly likely a mislim? that seems like a strong townread no?

[Save The Dragons]

I wanted to warn people of the lie so I outed myself as not a killing role

[imaginality]

If no one is claiming locking MT into the nightmare then chances are it wasn't town who did it. But she was likely to be in it anyway so scum motivation to lock scum MT into it isn't there. So I still think MT more likely town, with scum hoping to cast suspicion on her. I bet some of the push on her today is from scum.
The neighbourhood thing could easily also be scum wanting her to be under more suspicion.

I also like Porkens for town. So of Gimli's options StD and Clone are the two I can see myself voting today.

My question to the mod certainly wasn't a defence of StD and DragonEater painting it as an associative seems like a stretch. We know there are mod lies in this game, understanding what could or couldn't be a lie seems useful to me.

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Overall there's still a lot of stuff up in the air. Hope to find some silent headspace to figure a bit more out today and tonight.

[imaginality]

TL is uncc'd cop so being town is a given

I don't think we should be so quick to assume that. Though it certainly keeps Lich out of the lim pool today.

[KawaiiKame]

I think kyoko died because scum was in the hood

The hood?
Is the nightmare the hood?

[KawaiiKame]

TL is uncc'd cop so being town is a given

I don't think we should be so quick to assume that. Though it certainly keeps Lich out of the lim pool today.

I mean yeah the chance exists that Lich is lying but is town in my eyes as of now
Who do you want to lim outside of STD?

[imaginality]

@Kawaii:

Clone doesn't look any better today.

Meg's not posted recently. Depending how today goes they might be a possible lim.

I need to reread the two Es (Enchant, Empathice), I've seen some people suspicious of one or the other but they've blurred together a bit in my mind. I do remember wondering about possible associatives between you and Enchant and TemporalLich but you at least seem towny to me today so I was probably wrong about that.

I'm a bit wary of Gimli's sudden push on Morning Tweet and being so concerned about being in a neighbourhood with her. Seems to me like that should help Gimli read Morning Tweet rather than otherwise. Whereas scum would definitely not want to be in neighbourhoods with players who might be able to read them. So Gimli pushing MT early today does ping me a bit. Along with just now saying he only likes one post in her entire iso when in 729 he was 'still' townreading her - that seems like quite a dramatic shift?

[Doctor Drew]

If no one is claiming locking MT into the nightmare then chances are it wasn't town who did it. But she was likely to be in it anyway so scum motivation to lock scum MT into it isn't there. So I still think MT more likely town, with scum hoping to cast suspicion on her. I bet some of the push on her today is from scum.
The neighbourhood thing could easily also be scum wanting her to be under more suspicion.

I also like Porkens for town. So of Gimli's options StD and Clone are the two I can see myself voting today.

My question to the mod certainly wasn't a defence of StD and DragonEater painting it as an associative seems like a stretch. We know there are mod lies in this game, understanding what could or couldn't be a lie seems useful to me.

VOTE: Save the Dragons

Overall there's still a lot of stuff up in the air. Hope to find some silent headspace to figure a bit more out today and tonight.

I literally said it was me who put MT in the Nightmare.

[KawaiiKame]

I need to reread the two Es (Enchant, Empathice), I've seen some people suspicious of one or the other but they've blurred together a bit in my mind. I do remember wondering about possible associatives between you and Enchant and TemporalLich but you at least seem towny to me today so I was probably wrong about that

Enchant is dead, died in the night w/ Kyoko, you want Empath
Idk about Gimli suddenly pushing Morning Tweet, maybe it's paranoia? If Gimli genuinely fears MT then this makes sense, anything outside of it doesn't to me. Idk what hood means but I assume it's the nightmare, the shift is notable tho
You scumread me yesterday since I was being self-conscious, that's how I am sometimes, fear of failing
I'm down with eliminating Clone, open intent to be inactive, feel meg ghosted but that's usually to things beyond someone's control, so Clone > Meg if I had to choose between the 2

[KawaiiKame]

I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.

What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?

[Doctor Drew]

I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.

What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?

More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.

And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'

Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.

[KawaiiKame]

I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.

What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?

More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.

And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'

Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.

Ye I fail to see why going off vibes/emotions is inherently a bad thing in an emotional/social game
I appreciate deep analysis, I do, but a hands off game shouldn't be looked down upon I feel
Admittedly when I see someone solving I see them to be town automatically

[KawaiiKame]

I wanted to warn people of the lie so I outed myself as not a killing role

You wanted to warn people of the mod lie? How did you know it was going to happen?

[KawaiiKame]

More a general statement

Idk if I like this, feels like you don't want to antagonize anyone unless you genuinely have no one to go against specifically, only the prevailing belief, sounds like a set up to go against specific users initially though, I do like what you say tho

[Botanical Rat]

I mean why is std highly likely a mislim? that seems like a strong townread no?

Same deal as Mutiny I guess. It's a bad push for bad reasons and I don't like it.

[imaginality]

@Drew oh yeah. That was so far back I'd forgotten.
That softens my circumstantial townread on MorningTweet but I still lean town on her by play.

Rethinking on StD, nothing obviously scummy about the reaction to the mod stuff.

VOTE: Clone

HURT: imaginality, KawaiiKame, MorningTweet, Porkens

I agree with Kawaii's 841 that I was expecting Drew to be more specific about who he sees as doing the acting. Also interested in who he sees as falling for it (since if they're genuinely falling for it they're presumably town or at least not aligned with those doing the acting).

[Porkens]

I don't have a kill.

I don't believe this.

[KawaiiKame]

I'm here, I'm playing. It's been all me so far today

What do you think of the game in this state?

I think StD is highly likely a mislim, and the quick votes on him looked really bad.

If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say this whole "saw in a dream" bit is going to happen every night and that some will be true and some false, with that being the guaranteed lies present in the setup, but that's pure speculation for now.

It's highly likely the "saw in a dream" is going to be a nightly thing, Korina indicated that the post of STD killing might be a lie, I don't blame people with being blood lusty with how the day/night ended, a possible mislim exists tho
I meant to post this b4 but failed to submit, if I double post that I didn't see that's why

[Botanical Rat]

I fear this game has a some people who are doing a good job 'acting' like they are solving.

And others falling for it.

What did you mean by this? Who is acting like they solving?

More a general statement. People will superficially look at post and say 'It looks like they are solving, they are town', without looking at the meat and potatoes of said post.

And conversely, if someone is more working off vibe and not posting these analytical posts they 'aren't solving at all, they are scum'

Just don't like that mindset that sometimes takes over a game.

It's really odd that you don't have any feelings at all about who's doing this. Was this thought not sparked by seeing someone with rotten meat and potatoes?