Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Cephrir]

I've decided it's weird that everyone was cool with voting ranger out despite her claim for a while and then like at least 3 players jumped down my throat for wanting to lim furtive despite his claim

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've decided it's weird that everyone was cool with voting ranger out despite her claim for a while and then like at least 3 players jumped down my throat for wanting to lim furtive despite his claim

Did ranger at any point claim their actual role or just "I can act N1" still.

Because ignoring that discrepency is a large deal

[Radical Rat]

What made the situation different for you with furtive?

[Cephrir]

Nothing I don't think the situations should be treated differently

[Cephrir]

I've decided it's weird that everyone was cool with voting ranger out despite her claim for a while and then like at least 3 players jumped down my throat for wanting to lim furtive despite his claim

Did ranger at any point claim their actual role or just "I can act N1" still.

Because ignoring that discrepency is a large deal

I guess :/

[Umlaut]

@KawaiiKame

any thoughts/reads yet?

[Umlaut]

@Ethel[/v] same question as above. I don't really know where you stand on anyone right now beyond your vote on Red.

[Ranger]

All I wanted to do was survive to get my check done and now I can't even do that

I'd buy this as possible if, after your claim, your activity and content visibly improved.
While inadvisable, it's an

acceptable

tactic to deliberately underperform in order to deliver a result, despite the underperformance matching scumplay.

Having claimed, there's no reason to keep the underperformance up.

And yet your content is identical post-claim compared to pre-claim, suggesting the underperformance prior to the claim was not due to role.

In short: furtiveglance remains scum.

[Ranger]

All I wanted to do was survive to get my check done and now I can't even do that

I'd buy this as possible if, after your claim, your activity and content visibly improved.
While inadvisable, it's an

acceptable

tactic to deliberately underperform in order to deliver a result, despite the underperformance matching scumplay.

Having claimed, there's no reason to keep the underperformance up.

And yet your content is identical post-claim compared to pre-claim, suggesting the underperformance prior to the claim was not due to role.

In short: furtiveglance remains scum.

To be clear:
furtiveglance was not playing his town meta at all. His content was +scum. Muted, lacking depth, lacking conviction, lacking passion, lacking strength, lacking push. He was just

there

. Giving thoughts, but not backing them with his normal level of strength. That, aside from his takes being bad.

Some players prescribe to the philosophy of deliberately being under the radar until they use their role. I'm not sure if furtiveglance is among them, but his claim makes it at least

plausible

he'd be using that strategy in

theory

.

Plausible, but demonstrably not true in

reality

.

Since furtiveglance's posts remained about the same after (I'd argue his posts actually got

worse

), the far more likely explanation:
furtiveglance is just scum, coasting by on the claim he needed to make to survive.

[furtiveglance]

I'm not scum.

I've been busy

[Save The Dragons]

no we're not doing the claimed N1 cop today

[Ranger]

Small point of clarity.

I was midway through catching up last time I was here, doing it properly. On page 13/17. I had to dip out due to other obligations.

I've still got content to respond to from there, but it is second to the more recent content.

{Gimli, Cephrir, Lady Lambdadelta}
{Detective Penguin, Sail}
{Save The Dragons}
{Korina}
{Ethel}
{Radical Rat}
{redFF}
{Umlaut}
{furtiveglance}

This still needs updating but full disclosure, I am multitasking right now. I was hoping to finish catching up before other responsibilities but they've started already. I may not give things the proper thought they deserve and may dip out like I did yesterday before I finish.

[Ranger]

no we're not doing the claimed N1 cop today

Correct, I'm getting to that. Give me a bit.

[Ranger]

I want to do my stuff but I'm obviously gonna die now

This is what I mean by a scum mindset.

furtive as town has extra reason to be as town as possible today. If he were town, he'd expect to die. Since he'd expect to die, today would be the

only

day he'd get to contribute. He'd want to step up his contributions.

He's done the opposite.

[Ranger]

Ranger claimed n1 too, and like... I feel like everyone getting ran up today will just claim n1.

Believe me, the inconvenience of acting N1 is not lost on me. Sadly, it's what I was given, so I can't lie.

Ranger and my read?

To be fair: your read is wrong.

I said earlier today that if Ranger claimed N1 Cop I would let them live.

Quite certain you never said that. Equally certain, you'd have pushed me if I did claim N1 cop.

I think Ranger 100% claimed n1 to buy time

You apparently lack reading comprehension, didn't bother to read, or read and understood it and are being disingenuous now.

The motivation for my claim was laid out at the time I made it, as explicitly as possible.
LLD is pushing me as scum.
LLD gets her way--and if she doesn't get her way, the game is worse for the wear for it.
Convincing LLD is impossible.
Arguing with LLD is a waste of time.
Resisting LLD is a waste of time.

Everyone has, repeatedly, said "the Ranger vs. LLD fight is distracting".
This, despite how

LLD has noted my refusal to engage her

.
There's no "Ranger vs. LLD" fight because I specifically made the choice to

avoid entering that fight

.
I am

aware

a Ranger-LLD fight would be bad for the health of the gamestate.

I am

aware

fighting would be a distraction, creating noise.

I've gone out of my way to

avoid

doing so, so that my content is clear and visible after I've flipped.

I stated my goal, and my intentions, immediately:
I intend to die.
I intend to end the fight before there is one by my death.
I intend to remove the distraction of the LLD-Ranger "debate".
I intend to leave reads so they can be followed through on.

And per the setup, my

role

will flip (Cop/Doc), but my

night

will not.
So I intend to leave the night I act, so that info in tandem with the flip gives all the info available.

I stated this from the getgo.
It was quite unambiguous.

Stating my claim was to survive is disingenuous. I'm perfectly capable of claiming a role as scum. I see no reason to as town when my plan is to die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You should probably claim. You're dying today either way.

For someone claiming they're reading the game, you're apparently quite bad at it.

I repeatedly have already claimed.

I act N1.
I've no need to specify role because my role will flip. It’s the night which won’t. Contrary to your claims I'm

trying to save myself,

I've made it quite clear I know I'm dead today. Why do I need to claim my role? It'll flip when I do, minus the night. I've stated the night; N1. So between my statement and

my flip,

all the info's already there.

"I act N1" isn't a claim. A Role is a claim.

Oh, also?

The bolded contradict themselves. If you're trying to save yourself, you won't flip. If you don't flip, you're not claiming. Additonally, a claim is the only thing that might save you here because frankly if you're genuinely a N1 Cop then it's worth letting you cook that night action for one night and seeing if Mafia shoot you in your face or not.

And then we kill you.

But "I act N1" isn't a claim and I know you know that. I get you like to be obtuse and then claim how good your logic is by comparison to everyone elses (when it's never good, but I digress) but this is somehting I know you know.

OH WOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE I DID SAY THAT YOU GASLIGHTING

i need so much chill and i have none

[Lady Lambdadelta]

it was part of me misreading the thing, but it has been my thoughts on it the whole fucking time.


"a claim is the only thing that might save you here because if you're a N1 cop it's worth letting you cook that night action for one night and seeing if Mafia shoot you in the face or not"

in what world is this anything but me LITERALLY SAYING THIS

[Lady Lambdadelta]

For someone who pretends to fucking read everything by doing these quote strips and then makes fun of others for their "reading comprehension" you sure seem to lack the ability to read the fucking game yourself you arrogant self righteous scumbag.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And no, you don't engage with me. You just say shitty things and snipe at people with your passive aggressive comments.

People who AREN'T EVEN IN THE GAME ANYMORE AND CAN'T DEFEND THEMSELVES YOU COWARD.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

of note scumbag here referring to their alignment, because i'm still convinced they're scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

the arrogant and self righteous parts though, that's just me being livid with having to deal with this passive aggressive self important superiority nonsense every time i come in this thread

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i need to calm down

i literally stepped away from this game to calm down, came back and am instantly incandescently angry again

which is not great! i sort of hate this!

[Ranger]

Everyone has, repeatedly, said "the Ranger vs. LLD fight is distracting".
This, despite how

LLD has noted my refusal to engage her

.
There's no "Ranger vs. LLD" fight because I specifically made the choice to

avoid entering that fight

. I am

aware

a Ranger-LLD fight would be bad for the health of the gamestate. I've gone out of my way to

avoid

doing so, so that my content is clear and visible after I've flipped.

I feel it important to demonstrate this point because I actually feel those using "LLD vs. Ranger" as an excuse are +scum.

To reiterate,

Ranger stopped engaging with any of my rebutals or points ages ago.

LLD herself stated I wasn't engaging her rebuttals/points. LLD herself stated I was avoiding debate.

Yet despite my efforts to avoid a pointless debate with LLD, we get people saying this:

LLD tunnel on Ranger sort of took over the day, and I found that interaction hard to read

There’s actually nothing of note for me to read, unless you want me to dredge through the garbage of LLD v Ranger

There are likely more, but these are in the area and demonstrate my point:
People are using an "LLD-Ranger debate" to justify having had no interest in the game, having no investment in the game, having not given reads, etc.

When said debate is,

mostly

, nonexistent at least on my end.

I find their justification for lackluster contributions underwhelming.

[furtiveglance]

I personally said LLD's tunnel itself, but yeah your reaction is also strange because I would never self-vote, nor do you seem to consider your elimination the best outcome anymore. In fact it looks like you dropped that quite quickly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

no, but you did literally torpedo the game thread when you accused me of unspeakable things with 0 substantiation and made it clear over the course of multiple posts how angry you were before going on a gaslighting campaign which is now culminating in some grand attempt to defame my character as being unreasonable and unapproachable while never taking a single note or rebuttal in your life.

You know, the thing you were warned for twice.

That thing that existed.

People might have been referring to that.