Micro 1074: 09:12 - Game Over!

[KawaiiKame]

was there any other reason you said you were "down to eliminate" me?

kawaii hasn't posted at all.
@kawaii - if you're reading this, your thoughts on the game so far would be appreciated.

We might have got our first scum here. I mean, why would a townie talk to a player who hasn't posted yet at that stage? Why would that player be singled out for information when there is no real reason to, and it's obviously better(for town) to look into people who have posted and didn't post their thoughts?
This seems like a post made to replicate scumhunting, instead of a genuine town post.

^ This

[skitter30]

I think kawaii is prob town here

I feel the same with you, why the flip in perception?

I feel like i have a better sense of how you play

[skitter30]

kawaii hasn't posted at all.
@kawaii - if you're reading this, your thoughts on the game so far would be appreciated.

We might have got our first scum here. I mean, why would a townie talk to a player who hasn't posted yet at that stage? Why would that player be singled out for information when there is no real reason to, and it's obviously better(for town) to look into people who have posted and didn't post their thoughts?
This seems like a post made to replicate scumhunting, instead of a genuine town post.
I don't see anything that would make me townread Kokichi or Kawaii so I'd like those who do to explain.

Did you see what i said abt this post prior to making yours?

But I just don't like this push now that I reread it. The game started a while ago. Surely kawaii has checked in already but just didn't comment?

Sorry, who is this addressed to?

[skitter30]

it almost seems like kowah is looking for things to frame as scummy. i'd normally be suspicious of that, but part of me wonders if it's our dead gamestate rather than their alignment that's causing them to do that.

Spoiler: quotes

I don't have Tarot cards but I have a Magic 8-Ball at home that my cousin who now lives in America brought back while visiting. In the interests of not including provable randomness I won't take a photo of it but I asked it if Kokichi is scum and it said "Better not tell you now". That was helpful!

For the record I think Kokichi and Kawaii are both town.

If you think Kokichi is town, why would you ask the magic 8-ball if they were scum?

Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.

On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are.

Town exists among:
HPE
NK15/Skitter
Kitty

Of course it does. You've just listed more players than what could make up a scum team in this game.

Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.

You can talk to me
VOTE: Kokichi

Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and why

Idk if anyone had a bad opening

Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.

You can talk to me
VOTE: Kokichi

Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and why

since you’re asking this, do you think anyone’s opening was scummy?

I don't

Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.

On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are.

Town exists among:
HPE
NK15/Skitter
Kitty

Here are three examples of casting a wide net. You seem more like you're wanting to please the playerbase rather than ruffle any feathers.

Even your most recent post literally means nothing because as long as you listed 3 or more people, your statement was always going to be true.

VOTE: kawaii

nothing in their iso gives me town vibes though so i'll vote them. they're not a bad wagon for now.

VOTE: kowahbunga

I mean that's kinda what you're doing too tbh

[skitter30]

Would vote Kowah now but this one is a bit sketched out by the possibility of a quickwagon since it'll be E-2 when right now it moreso wants info rather than an elimination.

Yeah agreed, i vastly prefer abnegation rn

[skitter30]

I don't like the speed of the kowah wagon in this lethargic game, and i'm sus of quite a few votes on it

[Not Known 15]

I don't like the speed of the kowah wagon in this lethargic game, and i'm sus of quite a few votes on it

Why do you dislike that speed? Why do you think it is too fast in this situation?
And which votes look sus to you?

[Not Known 15]

I don't like the speed of the kowah wagon in this lethargic game, and i'm sus of quite a few votes on it

Why do you dislike that speed? Why do you think it is too fast in this situation?
And which votes look sus to you?

And why.

[Kokichi Oma]

Why are people voting kowah? I think their posts are fine.

VOTE: kawaii

[Not Known 15]

Why are people voting kowah? I think their posts are fine.

VOTE: kawaii

Why? What are your counterarguments?
Why do you think kawaii is scum?

[Arko]

I feel like I've been lurking this shit. Sorry.
I am kinda dealing with recovering my motivation as something else has kinda taken over my free time. I'm probably gonna try dealing with my other, more important game first before I come back to this, so I might as well be prodging for a few hours. Sorry bout that.

[Kokichi Oma]

Why are people voting kowah? I think their posts are fine.

VOTE: kawaii

Why? What are your counterarguments?
Why do you think kawaii is scum?

That I think there is nothing scummy about their posts at all so far. and because his reads feel fake is why I think kawaii is prob scum right now

[Not Known 15]

Why are people voting kowah? I think their posts are fine.

VOTE: kawaii

Why? What are your counterarguments?
Why do you think kawaii is scum?

That I think there is nothing scummy about their posts at all so far. and because his reads feel fake is why I think kawaii is prob scum right now

Why do you think that the arguments against kowah are wrong?
Why do you think kawaii's reads are fake?

[Kokichi Oma]

Just a feeling, just like I'm feeling your questioning feels off for some reasoning

[Not Known 15]

Just a feeling, just like I'm feeling your questioning feels off for some reasoning

ok then we can ignore that.

[HighPrincessErinys]

It's okay to only have gut/vibes on a read but this feels pretty weak especially when you threw a vote at Kawaii too on "my gut says Kowah good Kawaii bad" alone.

[Kowahbunga]

Can any of you voting me explain to me why you're scumreading me? The only one who looks to have provided any actual reason was Abnegation.



This is what I see from the first vote:

My top TR is Erinys. Seems solvy and wanting to defibrillate this game.

My top SR is Kowah. Even ignoring the RVS vote, I don't like their recent comment. Seems overly nitpicky. It's a tenuous SR but it's because this game is very lackluster. Which we should try and change-- active towns win games.

VOTE: Kowahbunga

I'd normally protest putting someone in hammer range on page 6 but this game is anemic and I don't think we will get much more useful this day. Maybe a claim will generate discussion.

Kowah, claim.

I just find it odd that for a tenuous scum read 40 posts earlier, they're cool with a naked vote, and their very next post is simply requesting me to claim my role.


Ab's vote at least provides something like a reason:

it almost seems like kowah is looking for things to frame as scummy. i'd normally be suspicious of that, but part of me wonders if it's our dead gamestate rather than their alignment that's causing them to do that.
Spoiler: quotes

nothing in their iso gives me town vibes though so i'll vote them. they're not a bad wagon for now.

VOTE: kowahbunga

But then we're right back to why am I being voted by this person?

Would vote Kowah now but this one is a bit sketched out by the possibility of a quickwagon since it'll be E-2 when right now it moreso wants info rather than an elimination.

Would vote Kowah now but this one is a bit sketched out by the possibility of a quickwagon since it'll be E-2 when right now it moreso wants info rather than an elimination.

e-2 doesn't really risk a quickhammer imo.

You're probably right. This one will think on a vote or not while it does some other stuff.

VOTE: Kowahbunga

This looks scummy to me because they wanted to act like they wanted to get on my wagon, but gave a reason why they weren't, then someone convinces them to put that vote down. So are they scumreading me or not? If they were, would they need to be convinced to vote me? Like I would probably understand a well thought out and good argument being presented to them and they have a moment of clarity and vote. But the literal reason provided is "don't worry about a quickhammer" "oh okay, vote" wtf?


And finally...:

Well lets talk about it then. Who is scummier? Me for casting a 2nd vote during RVS or Kitty for thinking it is scummy? Lets get some opinions and conversation going.

This is a bit weird...

Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.

You can talk to me
VOTE: Kokichi

Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and why

Idk if anyone had a bad opening

Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.

You can talk to me
VOTE: Kokichi

Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and why

since you’re asking this, do you think anyone’s opening was scummy?

I don't

Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.

On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are.

Town exists among:
HPE
NK15/Skitter
Kitty

Here are three examples of casting a wide net. You seem more like you're wanting to please the playerbase rather than ruffle any feathers.

Even your most recent post literally means nothing because as long as you listed 3 or more people, your statement was always going to be true.

VOTE: kawaii

Doesn't look like real scumhunting here, more like attempts to make scumminess out of air.

Hm.
VOTE: Kowahbunga

E-1

Now Not Known at least has a progression here to get to his vote on me. However, one thing that stands out to me is how easily he voted considering that in post 122 he listed Abnegation along with me as a top scum read. I know I'm listed as a scum read in this post, but so is Abnegation who is already on my wagon.

I will claim if more people demand it of me, but in all honesty this wagon looks shady af to me. I think my biggest issue with this wagon is HighPrincessErinys and the way they joined it. I also think Kitty's vote is sus.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Would vote Kowah now but this one is a bit sketched out by the possibility of a quickwagon since it'll be E-2 when right now it moreso wants info rather than an elimination.

e-2 doesn't really risk a quickhammer imo.

You're probably right. This one will think on a vote or not while it does some other stuff.

VOTE: Kowahbunga

This looks scummy to me because they wanted to act like they wanted to get on my wagon, but gave a reason why they weren't, then someone convinces them to put that vote down. So are they scumreading me or not? If they were, would they need to be convinced to vote me? Like I would probably understand a well thought out and good argument being presented to them and they have a moment of clarity and vote. But the literal reason provided is "don't worry about a quickhammer" "oh okay, vote" wtf?

You're somewhat disregarding the actual length of time between the post that says "hmm lemme think about it" and the vote, as well as the fact this one didn't have qualms about a vote on you in general, but rather qualms about you up and dying early as hell, even on a slow game like this. You're at E-1 now, so it thinks that's a somewhat reasonable fear, but at the very least an overzealous hammer by someone now would give something to look into during D2. That being said, it doesn't feel like risking said overzealous hammer in the first place before you even can claim. UNVOTE: Kowahbunga

[Kokichi Oma]

It's okay to only have gut/vibes on a read but this feels pretty weak especially when you threw a vote at Kawaii too on "my gut says Kowah good Kawaii bad" alone.

Yes, I go with what I feel is right all the time. It works 50% of the time.

[Abnegation]

it almost seems like kowah is looking for things to frame as scummy. i'd normally be suspicious of that, but part of me wonders if it's our dead gamestate rather than their alignment that's causing them to do that.

Spoiler: quotes

I don't have Tarot cards but I have a Magic 8-Ball at home that my cousin who now lives in America brought back while visiting. In the interests of not including provable randomness I won't take a photo of it but I asked it if Kokichi is scum and it said "Better not tell you now". That was helpful!

For the record I think Kokichi and Kawaii are both town.

If you think Kokichi is town, why would you ask the magic 8-ball if they were scum?

Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.

On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are.

Town exists among:
HPE
NK15/Skitter
Kitty

Of course it does. You've just listed more players than what could make up a scum team in this game.

Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.

You can talk to me
VOTE: Kokichi

Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and why

Idk if anyone had a bad opening

Usually I talk a lot but I feel like I'll be just talking to myself.

You can talk to me
VOTE: Kokichi

Whose opening do you think was the worst so far and why

since you’re asking this, do you think anyone’s opening was scummy?

I don't

Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.

On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are.

Town exists among:
HPE
NK15/Skitter
Kitty

Here are three examples of casting a wide net. You seem more like you're wanting to please the playerbase rather than ruffle any feathers.

Even your most recent post literally means nothing because as long as you listed 3 or more people, your statement was always going to be true.

VOTE: kawaii

nothing in their iso gives me town vibes though so i'll vote them. they're not a bad wagon for now.

VOTE: kowahbunga

I mean that's kinda what you're doing too tbh

that isn't true. while i'll admit the two scumreads i expressed are based on flimsy reasoning, i'm not actively looking to see others' posts in a negative light as i believe kowah may be doing. 124 is also a good example of me doing the opposite and offering a "this is nai" explanation for something that could also be seen as scummy/contradictory.

[Abnegation]

Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.

Yeah, we still have zilch info for like two and a half RL days in. Anything to advance gamestate is good.

On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are. Obviously when we're only like 80 posts in these won't be very solid reads, but it still wants to hear everyone's thoughts right now. For this one it's probably Abne and... this one doesn't really scumread anyone at this point esp since it doesn't personally feel/see anything with that one Abne post, but it'd like more posts from Arko and NK15.

i didn't notice this post before, but why am/was i your top tr? with all the scumreads on me, that's not really a consensus take.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Leaving aside the fact that it's a random number generator and I did it as a joke, I think checking a moderate townread is good.

Yeah, we still have zilch info for like two and a half RL days in. Anything to advance gamestate is good.

On that note, this one would like to ask everyone who their current top town and scum reads are. Obviously when we're only like 80 posts in these won't be very solid reads, but it still wants to hear everyone's thoughts right now. For this one it's probably Abne and... this one doesn't really scumread anyone at this point esp since it doesn't personally feel/see anything with that one Abne post, but it'd like more posts from Arko and NK15.

i didn't notice this post before, but why am/was i your top tr? with all the scumreads on me, that's not really a consensus take.

This one personally didn't read 38 as being altogether much scummy unlike the rest of town, and it thought your other posts were towny. Shrimple as that.

[Abnegation]

i revoke my scumlean on nk15, 126 was a decent read and i like their questions.

Spoiler: quotes

I don't like the speed of the kowah wagon in this lethargic game, and i'm sus of quite a few votes on it

Why do you dislike that speed? Why do you think it is too fast in this situation?
And which votes look sus to you?

Why are people voting kowah? I think their posts are fine.

VOTE: kawaii

Why? What are your counterarguments?
Why do you think kawaii is scum?

Why are people voting kowah? I think their posts are fine.

VOTE: kawaii

Why? What are your counterarguments?
Why do you think kawaii is scum?

That I think there is nothing scummy about their posts at all so far. and because his reads feel fake is why I think kawaii is prob scum right now

Why do you think that the arguments against kowah are wrong?
Why do you think kawaii's reads are fake?

[Abnegation]

reads are approximately here at the moment:

highprincesserinys

not known 15, kittytacky, kawaiikame

skitter30, arko, kokichi oma

kowahbunga

the reason for most of these is "idk vibes lol."

[KittyTacky]

kawaii hasn't posted at all.
@kawaii - if you're reading this, your thoughts on the game so far would be appreciated.

We might have got our first scum here. I mean, why would a townie talk to a player who hasn't posted yet at that stage? Why would that player be singled out for information when there is no real reason to, and it's obviously better(for town) to look into people who have posted and didn't post their thoughts?
This seems like a post made to replicate scumhunting, instead of a genuine town post.
I don't see anything that would make me townread Kokichi or Kawaii so I'd like those who do to explain.

Did you see what i said abt this post prior to making yours?

But I just don't like this push now that I reread it. The game started a while ago. Surely kawaii has checked in already but just didn't comment?

Sorry, who is this addressed to?

NK.