Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Radical Rat]

Yes.

[Radical Rat]

N1 is the correct thing to claim today, as either Town or Scum. Tomorrow the correct claim for anyone except a Cop with a result is going to be N2.

[furtiveglance]

Too much maths

[Gimli]

N1 is the correct thing to claim today, as either Town or Scum.

if furtive comes here tomorrow with a 'hey guise so I'm actually a n2 cop' he'll be hanged for it

so idk how that's correct play

[furtiveglance]

I'll come into the dead thread with a red check knowing my luck

[Detective Penguin]

N1 is the correct thing to claim today, as either Town or Scum. Tomorrow the correct claim for anyone except a Cop with a result is going to be N2.

lol - no

[Radical Rat]

N1 is the correct thing to claim today, as either Town or Scum.

if furtive comes here tomorrow with a 'hey guise so I'm actually a n2 cop' he'll be hanged for it

so idk how that's correct play

Because if you don't act N1, you want to draw the heat away from people who do. Ideally ideally, we just wouldn't have any claims at all, because they mean nothing in this setup. But if you're going to claim, the correct claim is to act the next night.

You may wish not to risk being killed before your ability can be used if you act on a later night, but claiming truthfully is actually more dangerous because then scum is likely to have less potential targets to choose from.

By claiming to act the next night, regardless of reality, you remove scum's ability to accurately select targets.

You do also remove a Doctor's ability to accurately select targets, but it cannot be assumed that a Doctor who matches your assigned night exists, where it's guaranteed that scum will exist.

[Umlaut]

Say you flip a coin 4 times and it flips tails 4 times, what are the chances the next flip is heads?

Its 50%

That's true of any individual, but not so of groups. While we can't know WHO is lying, because for every individual the odds are equal, for every person who claims to have an ability on a given night, the likelihood that at least one is lying goes up.

This is true, I think, but it stops being true once we flip one of them. Once we know e.g. that Ranger is or isn't town, we are back to evaluating the other N1 claims independently from that one since it gives us partial information about whether one of the claimants is lying.

[Umlaut]

I really think you all should listen to what Radical Rat is saying about Ranger. I would reiterate it but they've already put it as well as it can be put. Nothing about her play today is pro-town.

[Umlaut]

Town does best when they resist the urge to get fancy with the mechanics and just kill the scummiest player.

[Detective Penguin]

I really think you all should listen to what Radical Rat is saying about Ranger. I would reiterate it but they've already put it as well as it can be put. Nothing about her play today is pro-town.

nothing about it says "scum motivation" either whilst there are other players who play does and we're ignoring them soooooo....

[redFF]

N1 is the correct thing to claim today, as either Town or Scum. Tomorrow the correct claim for anyone except a Cop with a result is going to be N2.

i dont agree with this. town players should tell the truth

[Radical Rat]

I really think you all should listen to what Radical Rat is saying about Ranger. I would reiterate it but they've already put it as well as it can be put. Nothing about her play today is pro-town.

nothing about it says "scum motivation" either whilst there are other players who play does and we're ignoring them soooooo....

Has Ranger been eliminated yet? Is her claim one of the major reasons she hasn't?

There's your scum motivation

[Radical Rat]

N1 is the correct thing to claim today, as either Town or Scum. Tomorrow the correct claim for anyone except a Cop with a result is going to be N2.

i dont agree with this. town players should tell the truth

Normally, yes. In this particular setup, no.

[Detective Penguin]

Um...lol even more?

We could have pushed through another yeet if Ranger wasn't being dense on the subject, so I don't believe for one second that you can sit here and believe that's her motivation for everything she's done so far.

You've dropped from a gut-only read to an actual scum read.

[Detective Penguin]

Normally, yes. In this particular setup, no.

Have you every played this setup before?

[Radical Rat]

I have not. I don't need to have personal experience to look at the unique traits of this setup and make decisions about strategy though.

[Detective Penguin]

Of course - theory is always better than reality. Got it.

[Radical Rat]

Have YOU played this setup before? Have you played it both with and without implementing my ideas enough times to acquire a statistically significant sample size?

If not, why does your opinion matter more than mine?

I'll accept arguments against my strategy being optimal if you have any, but to throw out logical thought entirely just because I haven't personally played this setup before is... really silly.

[Radical Rat]

And I do recognize that this argument would potentially apply to Ranger as well, but that's not consistent with the self-vote, which is the main issue here.

It's not just that I don't believe she acts N1, it's that I don't believe she has an ability at all, because if we take her words at face value, she is actively opposed to being able to do anything with her ability.

Had she just claimed N1, but otherwise attempted to play the game, I wouldn't be on her. Instead she's putting on a show to make her look like frustrated Town, but in a way that doesn't line up with how Town should be approaching this game.

[Detective Penguin]

Have YOU played this setup before?

Good thing I haven't already said anything about that in this game thread at all ever.

[Detective Penguin]

oof that reaction is horrible

[Detective Penguin]

enchant I apologize for criticizing your random vote

[Ranger]

You saying D1 is better is just for you to justify not really playing the game.

I've done plenty to play the game. I continue to give thoughts on other players, including a continuously-updated readslists.

Perhaps you'd care to comment on literally any of it?

You seem awfully focused on my lack of survivalism rather than any other aspect of my content.

Nothing about her play today is pro-town.

This also applies to you.

Would you say none of my reads are pro-town?
None of my reasons given for my reads are pro-town?

You seem focused on the one thing, rather than addressing literally anything else I've given.

Perhaps there's a reason you're avoiding doing so?

[Ranger]

Is her claim one of the major reasons she hasn't?

Since you brought it up: as a matter of fact, my claim is not a contributing factor to my lack of elimination. To the contrary, it is the basis of two votes at minimum.

The bulk of the defense towards me has come from those reading my play. The bulk of the votes on me have come from insisting my claim/self-vote was scum.

Perhaps there's a reason you want to sell the narrative of it being my claim alone saving me?

Had she just claimed N1, but otherwise attempted to play the game, I wouldn't be on her.

Funny story that.

I've an entire iso demonstrating me not just attempting, but succeeding at playing the game. These points are relatively easy to find as they make up the majority of my content.

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