Newbie 2114: Life Imitates Art...in Memes! -- End

[DragonEater70]

Am I right in assuming that if we vote wrong this round, we just lose?

Yep

[Elpis]

I mean actually it doesn't matter. we really don't have any more room for error at all

[Kanna]

Am I right in assuming that if we vote wrong this round, we just lose?

yes — and I want to add that specifically if 1 town votes town, scum will quickhammer to get 3 majority. I hope you understand how important it is to not only vote correctly, but identify your teammates and make sure they also vote correctly

[DragonEater70]

Look.
I am 100% certain bewolkt is scum and Patch is town. It could be that Elpis is actually town and Kanna is scum bussing her partner for towncred, it could be that Kanna is town and Elpis is scum looking very townie.
IDK and IDC either because bewolkt is scum and I am not voting anyone else than bewolkt today. Let's lim them and see who dies then we take it from there regarding who the other scum is.

[DragonEater70]

Am I right in assuming that if we vote wrong this round, we just lose?

yes — and I want to add that specifically if 1 town votes town, scum will quickhammer to get 3 majority. I hope you understand how important it is to not only vote correctly, but identify your teammates and make sure they also vote correctly

Which unfortunately you aren't doing.
Why are you ignoring my bewolkt/Elpis solve?

[Kanna]

bro

[Kanna]

Read your solve and read mine

[Elpis]

I feel suspicious of Patch and Dragon as well, ESPECIALLY after mentioning they didn't find my 370 very impressive, because damn if that wasn't a clear expression of my thoughts maybe I could never do it.

Huh? When did Patch say that?

Sorry, miscommunication. I was talking about you, dragon. You directly called my 370 out as unimpressive, despite it honestly genuinely being the post I've put the most effort into all game lol

Oh fair I understand why that would make you upset.
I mean I did like it initially but it just doesn't have the some level of hardcore as say Kanna's readlists and analysis.
Like if there'd been more options I would've called you more towny for it, but there's literally 2 scum out of the four of you and I don't see patch and Kanna as scummier than you are.

I can understand that. I think Kanna is a much better analyst than I am, and absolutely more experienced.

I guess it feels really odd to find patch less scummy, considering most of their actions this game. I feel like they've been the target of scrutiny since close to the beginning, and just sort of overlooked entirely by louder voices. I've been pretty heavily suspicious of them for a long while. From my perspective, I feel like your attempts to draw off of them make you look like a team, but I do understand your perspective of suspicion on Bewolkt, I don't disagree with it. Bewolkt very genuinely feels like they're just a reactionary poster, but I don't know if they'd ask the questions they do in those posts if they were scum. I can't say I feel as confident about Bewolkt as I do about Patch

[Kanna]

your list is literally my d1 readlist. you even took the bewo section from my readlist. forgive me if I don’t am not 100% convinced rn. Also I am extending an olive branch for you to explain why you are not scum with patch and I suggest you do that if you want me to even consider the fact that you’re not scum

[Elpis]

Am I right in assuming that if we vote wrong this round, we just lose?

yes — and I want to add that specifically if 1 town votes town, scum will quickhammer to get 3 majority. I hope you understand how important it is to not only vote correctly, but identify your teammates and make sure they also vote correctly

oh shit, that's a very good point, and very scary now. I was considering ideas of doing a little suspicion casting vote earlier and now I am **very** glad I did not do that at the con lmfao

[bewolkt]

I disagree that Patch is fitting with their meta, at least from my experience. Beginning of D1 they were very aligned to me but then when the lims started to happen and when he was being pushed for being absent they had a completely different reaction in this game than in the other we've played together (and in that one they were also at some point busy with things irl).

And this fit very well with this post from the game he linked

trying to change my meta. in 2112 i was sheeping too much and primarily independent on other people who i townread, which is a bad strategy, in 2113 i was generally shit at contributing and reacted only defensively, which didn't help my case when i got tunneled.
during this game, i'm trying for more of a balance, especially because the setup is different. i'm better at townhunting than i am at scumhunting, so i'm doing that first and finding people who i townread to rally with, but i'm also trying to promote discussion and get more reads on other players more this game as well.

[Elpis]

Kanna, I think I trust your judgement here most at the moment. If you definitively are not allied with Dragon, then I feel strongly that siding with you would lead to the most promising results. Let me know who you want to vote first, and I'll probably heavily consider it. I don't think scum would say the thing about hammering

[bewolkt]

Also I find odd that anyone can think that Kanna and I are partners in this game after I've spend most of the game pushing her while most people didn't

[Kanna]

sorry i got a tiny bit heated reading dragon's "Why are you ignoring my bewolkt/Elpis solve?" like

what insanity to expect me to go "omg yes, bewo/elpis!" after all dragon posted was a regurgitation of my d1 readlist with the comment "these two players have not interacted much -- guess they are scum!"

[Kanna]

Kanna, I think I trust your judgement here most at the moment. If you definitively are not allied with Dragon, then I feel strongly that siding with you would lead to the most promising results. Let me know who you want to vote first, and I'll probably heavily consider it. I don't think scum would say the thing about hammering

thank you for trusting me! i promise you won't regret it! as it's late right now, i'll answer tomorrow with a clear head.

[DragonEater70]

your list is literally my d1 readlist. you even took the bewo section from my readlist. forgive me if I don’t am not 100% convinced rn. Also I am extending an olive branch for you to explain why you are not scum with patch and I suggest you do that if you want me to even consider the fact that you’re not scum

I didn't copy your D1 list though, if it is the same that just shows we had the same thought process.

[DragonEater70]

Kanna, let me tell you something.
Truthfully, I don't think I should convince you that Patch and I are not scum. You are extremely tunneled and you were also tunneled on Alisae on D2 and you were wrong (I was also wrong but that's not the point).
If you are really town, try backing off from the tunneling and just look at my solve with a fresh pair of eyes, and look at what I've been doing today with a fresh pair of eyes as well. I honestly think I've objectively townslipped several times today and the only way not to notice is being extremely fucking tunneled.

If you don't back off the tunnel and at least try it, then I know you're either scum, or bent on losong the game. Either case there's no point of trying to persuade you.

[DragonEater70]

Losing*
Either way*

[DragonEater70]

Honestly I am tired of this game because I've made too many mistakes and now 2 of the 3 towniest people are dead and flipped town, because of me in no small measure.
I just can't fathom how scum is doing it, because even now I only have a solid scumread on one person where I should be having two.
Anyway, can I just ask each player who are the 2 players they are willing to vote rn? Or even just 1 player?

[patchwork]

Patch - Honestly in reading their ISO, they have so much town vibes it's incredible. Their meta is virtually identical to another game we played where they were a VT as well. I think it's unfair to scumread them based on inactivity. The hammer on Alisae is hella weird but it's possible it was actually an honest mistake I guess.

lol what's with "patch doesn't fit meta" and then a total 180

Dude I've been meta townreading you the whole game except for the lolhammer and for you saying "you my bad for not contributing"

weren't you literally just pairing me with kanna
oh well

[patchwork]

must've misunderstoof or smth

[patchwork]

bewolkt isnt paired with kanna btw

I tend to agree but would actually like to hear your reasoning here.

i don't feel like if they were partners they would be going so far and so wide to convince their partner to buy their standpoint

You might be right but by that logic you can't pair me with Kanna either.

kanna is pushing you, bussing =/= saying "vote yourself now or bad"

[patchwork]

wrong terimology

[patchwork]

viewtopic.php?t=90590
here it is

Oh shit Patch, I did NOT know you could be so manipulative. Your play that game is awesome!

i didn't either

[patchwork]

Also, putting patch at top town seems really weird, dragon...

SECONDED

Oh shut up patch, I hard towbread you for your playstyle last game as well.

No
wait just playstyle? interesting