Newbie 2116 - Booza (Game Over)

[Deltabreedy]

On re-reading, I think looking back I mistook the 'This is probably the solve' bit as a statement to placate me that came from outside the confines of the 'assume I am town' statement, which really threw me.

[skitter30]

Fine, i will accept that. I need to get ready for work now but i will write up more on csf later

And honestly: the way you're interacting with people as town here leaves a lot to be desired. You don't have to freeze someone out just b/c uou scumread them, mala did the same thing yesterday

[skitter30]

On re-reading, I think looking back I mistook the 'This is probably the solve' bit as a statement to placate me that came from outside the confines of the 'assume I am town' statement, which really threw me.

I mean the following half sentence was like along the lines of 'if you're town', but ok

This is all i was looking for

I'm also gonna point out that scum already knew there wasnt a doc as they successfully killed mala so

It's not like you claiming gives them a ton more to work with, but it helps me a lot now cuz i'll stop pushing you and my pool is smaller. I would have continued and you would have ended up claimibg at some poiny today anyways

[Deltabreedy]

That said, I've done my part. Convince me it's CSF, really convince me and I'll vote along with you and I think Black also wants to remove CSF from the board today as well. After that it's down to town to see what happens tomorrow.

Working through the possibilities of scumpartners in order of likelihood for me:

Skitter/CSF
CSF/Arko
Skitter/Arko
Black/the others

I could do a CSF lim, but I have preference as it stands for Skitter.

@Black, can you also give me a summary of your reasoning behind a CSF lim?

Arko - yeah nah we need more.

Ninja'd: Can you manage my expectations on this, when will you be able to pop your CSF reasoning over?

[Deltabreedy]

For context if I have this wildly wrong and Black is scum, I'll eat my shoe.

[skitter30]

After work tonight, i'm not going to be able to sit down really until then

[skitter30]

Will you actually read it and consider what i'm going to say?

Like i don't see much of a point of putting effort in otherwise

[skitter30]

For context if I have this wildly wrong and Black is scum, I'll eat my shoe.

I mean she's won two scumgames already so i'd be a *little* more cautious here, i'm not convinced she's out of her range or town here

[Black]

@Black, can you also give me a summary of your reasoning behind a CSF lim?

It really just boils down to me thinking CSF is objectively more scummy than skitter, but at this point and after the last few pages I'm really thinking it's both of them

We need to figure out who is more guaranteed to be scum here. I don't think CSF/Arko works as well as a pair as skitter/Arko so maybe skitter is the safer play? She's in my top two possible scum teams so it feels like we have a higher chance to hit scum if we go this route

@Delta how possible do you think skitter/Arko is?

[Black]

For context if I have this wildly wrong and Black is scum, I'll eat my shoe.

Put your shoe back on, we got this!

[Black]

Arko/skitter actually has some weight to it. These two have been sussing each other all game but neither of them has voted for the other, not even once. The entire time Arko has been pushing CSF/skitter he's been saying CSF is the more scummy of the two and pushing her much harder. The random TR in 226 didn't feel good then and it doesn't feel good now while rereading. On D2 Skitter simultaneously TRs Arko while posting multiple times that she is suspicious of his lack of activity. This is fine at face value but it feels like riding the fence when looking back on it. One thing about this pair that I'm wondering about is Arko misgendering skitter around the 604 mark...does that really happen if they are scum together? I feel like Arko would be more aware of her pronouns and I'm not sure if skitter calls out her partner like that in the thread, but I could be wrong

I'm thinking this pair is less likely than CSF/Skitter but more likely than Arko/CSF

I think I want to flip CSF today

I feel like you're drawing a conclusion here that only makes sense if you look at every pairing but you haven't included delta in any of your analysis

Yeah i'm still confused why she's just ignoring delta here

I thought it was pretty obvious that I got Delta's night message. Why else would I go from scumreading him to taking him out of my pool entirely? This feels like the wolf team pressuring me to spill the beans here

[Deltabreedy]

Will you actually read it and consider what i'm going to say?

Like i don't see much of a point of putting effort in otherwise

I've committed to this yeah.

[Deltabreedy]

@Black, can you also give me a summary of your reasoning behind a CSF lim?

It really just boils down to me thinking CSF is objectively more scummy than skitter, but at this point and after the last few pages I'm really thinking it's both of them

We need to figure out who is more guaranteed to be scum here. I don't think CSF/Arko works as well as a pair as skitter/Arko so maybe skitter is the safer play? She's in my top two possible scum teams so it feels like we have a higher chance to hit scum if we go this route

@Delta how possible do you think skitter/Arko is?

Struggling with Arko, the biggest source of my distrust of them comes from inactivity, which I simply can't bear. I don't see Town!Arko after the walls and the activity just dropping off like this, but then it's so easily scummy that I fear it's an easy potential mislim for a CSF/Skitter team.

[Deltabreedy]

At best the lack of activity is from an active lurking scum, at worst it's from a town-aligned player who doesn't care and is phoning in a performance rather than requesting replacement.

[Black]

That's kind of where I'm at with Arko but I really don't think he's a good lim in this situation. CSF or skitter are the only two options from my POV

If we lim CSF and she flips scum then I think it's pretty safe to lim skitter afterward. I've pretty much talked myself out of CSF/Arko being a team here and I hope that doesn't come back to bite me

If we lim skitter and she flips scum then we'll have to determine which of Arko/CSF is her teammate. CSF is the more obvious choice to me but Arko is definitely possible

[Deltabreedy]

I think I want to be a person of my word and allow Skitter the chance to post their argument on CSF at least - I'd be a bit of a n** if I was to go back on that under 60 minutes from committing to an objective review of their case on CSF and in that scenario I may well lean more towards CSF - it depends on that.

I'm concerned about Arko, and I think it's going to be tough if either of us get left with a choice between CSF & Arko, because the latter hasn't posted much in the last 2 game days at all - that'll complicate things.

[Black]

I agree...there's no point rushing this

[skitter30]

Arko/skitter actually has some weight to it. These two have been sussing each other all game but neither of them has voted for the other, not even once. The entire time Arko has been pushing CSF/skitter he's been saying CSF is the more scummy of the two and pushing her much harder. The random TR in 226 didn't feel good then and it doesn't feel good now while rereading. On D2 Skitter simultaneously TRs Arko while posting multiple times that she is suspicious of his lack of activity. This is fine at face value but it feels like riding the fence when looking back on it. One thing about this pair that I'm wondering about is Arko misgendering skitter around the 604 mark...does that really happen if they are scum together? I feel like Arko would be more aware of her pronouns and I'm not sure if skitter calls out her partner like that in the thread, but I could be wrong

I'm thinking this pair is less likely than CSF/Skitter but more likely than Arko/CSF

I think I want to flip CSF today

I feel like you're drawing a conclusion here that only makes sense if you look at every pairing but you haven't included delta in any of your analysis

Yeah i'm still confused why she's just ignoring delta here

I thought it was pretty obvious that I got Delta's night message. Why else would I go from scumreading him to taking him out of my pool entirely? This feels like the wolf team pressuring me to spill the beans here

Wasnt obvious to me at all, no

[Black]

I'm p sure i know which pr it is, and i know who it is anyways, but eh

Optimal is to claim

What did you mean by this then?

[Deltabreedy]

The reaction to my claim being to 'remove me from the lim pool' suggests that they were wrong so I'd like to know who and what they thought it was.

[skitter30]

I'm p sure i know which pr it is, and i know who it is anyways, but eh

Optimal is to claim

What did you mean by this then?

I thought arko was a doc who siteflaked and didnt submit an action

I didnt pick up on any FN vibes

[skitter30]

The reaction to my claim being to 'remove me from the lim pool' suggests that they were wrong so I'd like to know who and what they thought it was.

?

[Deltabreedy]

Okay, that makes sense. I thought the interaction between you and Black yesterday gave off strong vibes of FN given they did a 180 on their read of me. I'm reading that from a privileged viewpoint of knowing who I popped the action over to so I can't really get objective on that.

[Deltabreedy]

Given that I was in your lim pool, the implication is that you didn't think I was the PR, hence me wanting to know who and what you thought it was, as a response to #1371

[skitter30]

Ah. Yeah i didn't think it was you