Mini Normal 2294: Monkey Business (Endgame)

[Comus]

Menalque in fact is solving more than most people lele

[geraintm]

Yeah, Cop and Hider can't exist together. Took long enough to realise.

why?

[Comus]

Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
Enchant - had claimed

bodyguard

but i am making the assumption now that isn't true

Elsa - was visited by unknown player - confirmed to be Asuku by Elsa

VOTE: Menalque
sorry, i know this isn't where anyone else is but i just can't see how this doesn't have a higher than anyone else chance of being scum

Menalque locktown.

You don't even know about Klick's claim, I didn't tell you at first but fuck they still ain't there. Compulsive visitor..and twice you have failed to note down Gimli, who claimed VT before you started these lists. And enchant hard claimed VT. After a vig claim related to magical girl death.

Geaintm... I don't know. Scum or town, don't care. They're glossing over this game.

I ain't trusting anyone who doesn't have their head in the game. Not on Menalque, who's doing leaugues more than gera. Menalque is in fact scumhunting. As menalque focused on Enchant, trying to communicate, geraintm tunneled menalque. Now geraintm comes with the vote. Says as good a chance as any. Doesn't have a grip on game state. Well let's see where it goes.

what claim by Klick?
the game is 2250 posts long, i was sure i would miss something (exp day 1 i was skimming a lot) and i did ask people to point out any i missed.
you are using that against me as scummy??
because i asked for help in getting a good list and you chose to not?

i dread the next time we play in a game together.

Yeah Day 1. Klick claimed directly upon subbing in. Like, easy to find in ISO. I said I don't care if you're town or scum. Just that with so many gaps in your perception I'm not tuusting any of your reads or pushes, this menalque one absolutely no way in hades.

And Im probably breaking from mafia for a loooooong time after this so don't worry ya'll won't have to deal with me.

[Enchant]

Yeah, Cop and Hider can't exist together. Took long enough to realise.

why?

Checked Hider can potentially survive for end game as confirmed innocent and infuriate mafia. It's partially same as including bulletproof+cop.

[Elsa Jay]

You still seem to always forget that Endgame exists and gives Mafia the win in the case of ties usually, right?

[geraintm]

Klick - Town Compulsive Visitor.
Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
Enchant - had claimed

bodyguard

but i am making the assumption now that isn't true

Elsa - was visited by unknown player - confirmed to be Asuku by Elsa

[geraintm]

@ comus - i can't find the gimli claim, sorry

Yeah, Cop and Hider can't exist together. Took long enough to realise.

why?

Checked Hider can potentially survive for end game as confirmed innocent and infuriate mafia. It's partially same as including bulletproof+cop.

is this different from an innocent child but with loads more work?

[Ausuka]

I remember when I played a normal game with a bulletproof IC. that was fun

[Gimli]

enchant is vt
gimli is vt

put in your thing gera

[Enchant]

@ comus - i can't find the gimli claim, sorry

Yeah, Cop and Hider can't exist together. Took long enough to realise.

why?

Checked Hider can potentially survive for end game as confirmed innocent and infuriate mafia. It's partially same as including bulletproof+cop.

is this different from an innocent child but with loads more work?

Yes. Hider can't be killed as long as he hides.

[Enchant]

enchant is vt
gimli is vt

put in your thing gera

Oh damn we really mascclaiming oh for god sake?

[Elsa Jay]

Kawaii also claims to be the misc action that visited me too, Gera. Dunno if you wanted to add that to your notes too. Ausuka gives me results but she doesn't count herself as one of those like Motion Detector.

Edit: so mamy words. Bleh.

[Gimli]

@enchant: well you hardclaimed vt

and I hardclaimed vt

I'm just telling gera to put in his notes

[Comus]

@ comus - i can't find the gimli claim, sorry

Start day 2-ish. Then again when Enchant claims vt. Two times as memory serves.

[Comus]

And above : /

[Skygazer]

ausuka and comus is TvT

I feel like it is a common reaction to write off arguments with a lot of words as tvt. It is often correct but like calling people town is usually correct anyway. I think people townread volume too easily. Do you have any reason to townread comus beyond he posts a lot and/or seems like a VI?

Pedit: Vanilla cop is a very generous definition of modified cop, considering it is not a modifier and is a totally different role, but in fairness those roles could indeed coexist

wouldn't call comus a VI personally, i think they're just wrongly tunneling you but it happens

their stubbornness about you feels genuine, i feel like if they were scum pushing a miselim they would've given up a bit earlier and pushed an easier target. and their energy reads as not being afraid to be the center of attention, i feel like scum would be playing a lot more cautiously here. i had a weird paranoia thought that he might be scum trying to draw attention away from a teammate with his tunnel on you but i feel like if that was the case he wouldn't go about it so loudly

[Elsa Jay]

This game is already wonky enough. Mass claiming day 2 seems good enough. Frankly if the other PR is anything like Ausuka and Kawaii's role we got nothing useful happening via night phase.

[geraintm]

Klick - Town Compulsive Visitor.
Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
enchant claims vt (after also claiming bodyguard)
gimli claims vt
Elsa - was visited by unknown player - both Asuku and Kawaii said they visited on Night 1

(this isn't me trying to force people to claim btw, it is just somewhere for me to stick all them down because i forget or miss them)

[Enchant]

Klick - Town Compulsive Visitor.
Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
enchant claims vt (after also claiming bodyguard)
gimli claims vt
Elsa - was visited by unknown player - both Asuku and Kawaii said they visited on Night 1

(this isn't me trying to force people to claim btw, it is just somewhere for me to stick all them down because i forget or miss them)

I feel offended.

I also claimed Vigilante and Cop.

[Elsa Jay]

Fake vig. You would've shot me otherwise.

Also I already got vigged last month. It's not gonna happen to me again. I hope.

[Comus]

Klick - Town Compulsive Visitor.
Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
enchant claims vt (after also claiming bodyguard)
gimli claims vt
Elsa - was visited by unknown player - both Asuku and Kawaii said they visited on Night 1

(this isn't me trying to force people to claim btw, it is just somewhere for me to stick all them down because i forget or miss them)

Enchant claimed they vig killed Magical Girl at immediate start of Day 2, idk might be important later. Doesn't have to be on list I guess but following that I had enchant as goon in my solve, enchant later claimed vt.

[Enchant]

Fake vig. You would've shot me otherwise.

lol no
I would never shot someone i openly suspect. I shot someone who i "townread" so mafia will have harder time deducing me.

[Klick]

Menalque in fact is solving more than most people lele

This is accurate and I think you're town for this observation and similar ones

[Klick]

Menalque you asked me a bit earlier what I thought of Ausuka
I think she reads as town here, but I also feel that Ausuka is someone I'm less confident in my ability to read accurately so I don't feel confident committing on it

[Comus]

Menalque in fact is solving more than most people lele

This is accurate and I think you're town for this observation and similar ones

I appreciate this. I'm leaning toward Elsa and Kokichi today. I'd like your perspective on them when you're able.