Mini Normal 2294: Monkey Business (Endgame)

[geraintm]

Um, hello. Don't think I've met many of you before
I'll say this now before we get too far into the game, butbi kinda am not a huge fan of day 1 and the quicker we get to day 2 the better.

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[geraintm]

youre all townies

scum in the nonposters

You sense innocence of seven at start? Not possible. Says wolves are in Dionysus, Comus, nepenthe, Enchant and Ausuka. From what I know no one can be this good on start of first day in these things; not something I ever encountered. Is Gimli joking? Or serious when saying this? Can't be serious this must be a joke.

Dionysus, nepenthe, Enchant, Ausuka, do you all agree with me? Seven people cleared, how do you feel about this? Please share. It must be a reach. Nono, are you village? If you are village what you think about what Gimli said?


(Ah! Nepenthe is a word??? A drug of forgetfulness! Thank you for teaching me )

this is really a lot, I feel its townie

I like ausuka as townie. she beat my towny ass in 2020 and I didn't forget I can't read her well, but I like her posts aorn.

VOTE: gimli

@comus. sorry about my view of Day 1.

[geraintm]

Magical Girl reveals they are Feezer Guy. Elsa in the next breath decides to vote Dionysus. There is potentially a lot to read into that.
Gimli gave reasoning for why they have village reads on some, seems serious to me, their answer to me calling it a joke is to expand instead of joke, so, serious. I don't agree with the method but by reading intent he seems to be sticking with the plot he sowed.

Everyone, how do you all feel about Elsa's above response?

No one is going to take you seriously if you carry on like this

[geraintm]

... sometimes I genuinely wonder how other people see the world. Seeing other people react to me joking around as if that's scum.

I'll put Comus under scummy for now for literally acting like a predator and immediately jumping to get all the focus on me for presumably a future mis elim. Gimli can stay neutral for now.

Once Magical Girl revealed her alt, you switched to Dionysus. To me that can definetely mean something and I won't be backing down. Hunting as villager is a decent thing to do, no?

You need to explain yourself, coming in on page 2 and 3 with a 100% certain read is just plan dumb

[geraintm]

Please show me where I've formed any read on Elsa.

To me that can definetely mean something and I won't be backing down.

it was like right there in the post i quoted??

Why are you defending Elsa if I haven't yet called her a wolf, after discussing that her vote might mean something?

where am i defending Elsa? i was just straight up calling you bad,nothing to do with anyone else.
you are putting alot of thoughts to my few posts....

You say later "my hard brutal agreement with you" - like - you have not played with me before. i will not say anything with 100% certainty day 1, and i will call out anyone else who says anything with that level of certainty too. day 1 has no meaning to it (until day 2) and anyone spouting nonesense (like you are) is just wasting people's time.

Is Comus an AI? This cannot be a genuine series of posts on Day 1 from a human player? 93 and 96 are just too much?!

[geraintm]

To me that can definetely mean something and I won't be backing down.

it was like right there in the post i quoted??

No, it's not. That's not a read. Once more it's clear you are forming exactly the same conclusion as Elsa and I wonder why. I am not Artificial Intelligence. I am Comus of the glade.

i am baffled? why are you arguing that you didn't form a read when you literally say "to ME, that can definitely mean something [this is yor forming a read] and i won't be backing down [Which is you saying you have 100% certainty on that read]"
???

[geraintm]

I am cop

As seer, do you trust geraintm? Do you find them jumping into Elsa's pool so hard natural?

like, there is no way a human responds to this post from Enchant in any way except to dismiss it, yet you - like an AI who cannot use context to make a judgement about the merits of a post - seem to take it at face value. this is why i think you are an AI or at best playing like one.

[geraintm]

You defended Elsa, I have nothing more to say.

point out where i am defending Elsa.
i cannot belive how annoyed i am by your posts

[geraintm]

You defended Elsa, I have nothing more to say.

point out where i am defending Elsa.
i cannot belive how annoyed i am by your posts

Do you trust Elsa? Do you think their actions are warranted? Saying I formed a read when I didn't and then attacking that never read is a defence. Calling me bad and wishing I'd stay quiet when I raised a possible motive for Elsa's vote is a defence.

Answer the above questions, or don't. I care little for who I annoy. I'm here to get the wolves.

i trust Elsa as much as the rest of you.
what actions? their post 16? it is day 1, nothing means anything and certainly not a vote in Post 16

you did form a read, i have clearly pointed out when you have and please stop gaslighting me and saying you didn't.

i did no defend Elsa. I attacked a player who on day one says "I have a read and i am never backing down from it" because it the dumbest thing i can think of someone doing.

i will call you a bad player if i think you are bad.

[geraintm]

Also Comus is locktown.

i am not going to say that, but they are giving off hard "bad townie" vibes, i would find it hard to believe scum would just be like that

@salsabil - glad whatever i said pleased you so much

its quite an extreme tvt yes

You seem real certain about a lot of things. I'll bite on geraintm even though 'not liking day ones' is absolutely not alignment indicative, geraintm can be a possible villager for other reasons. And they are voting you, making me curious why you believe them to be a villager. The reason.

i came back this morning hoping to approach it fresh and leave you alone.
yet you go and post like that.
you are literally trying to read into things from my vote.

which is random!!!

there is some discussion about comus, me and elsa all being town. i know i am, i give a good lean that way to comus but i have no idea about elsa (not actually interacted with them)

What even is this D1?

Do you have any reads?

Comus vs. Elsa is absolutely baffling to me, Comus is hyper-aggressive while Elsa is hyper-defensive, admittedly I feel Elsa with being randomly attacked in RVS, though that battle got this game out of RVS, feels town vs. town

Gimli pursuing Enchant on meta is something I do not like, minimum the change of the meta Idek indicates scum, not implicates

Enchant is...random, Idek what to make of the playstyle, playing and having fun is enjoyable tho

I like that you asked me to give reads, Idk why someone forgot you

I like Magical Girl, Ik just saying that is a skeleton read but that's my initial impression

I need to read this game in depth, this is what I have now

Almost forgot Dio, I'm with him in this game taking time to thinking about

Nono voted me, I think? Feel I'm missing why

this post weirds me out, basically because i am not mentioned in it at all yet they lead off on Comus vs Elsa?

[geraintm]

and start solving but so far it is early, nepenthe hasn't posted and a lot of others haven't said a lot.

Sorry, skimming posts as I cook tea.

Nepenthe hasn't posted?? Are we on page 15 and someone hasn't joined the game yet?

[geraintm]

Gimli, why is Kawaii your vote here? I'm trying to see an angle but the posts don't align there at all.

I want to know the same, I feel you attempting to solve the game now

I don't see solves, I see someone desperate to start a wagon

Naughty point for gimli

[geraintm]

and start solving but so far it is early, nepenthe hasn't posted and a lot of others haven't said a lot.

Sorry, skimming posts as I cook tea.

Nepenthe hasn't posted?? Are we on page 15 and someone hasn't joined the game yet?

Page ten but yes. When you are able, can you please share how you feel about Gimli, Elsa Jay, Salsabil Faria and KawaiiKame?

Dunno why I thought page 15....

No opinions on three of them, but I just posted that I thought gimli looks like they really, really want some wagons to start for some reason

[geraintm]

Thank you! If you have any thoughts on those three in the future it would be lovely to hear them.

you are very unlikely to get strong thoughts from me day 1

[geraintm]

Page 10 Gera, but honestly I always know one person flakes a game they sign up for so we'll wait for whoever shows up to do that. Unless you know Nep is someone who flakes as scum then by all means tell us. But that's also boring so let's focus on who's actually here for now.

i dont think ive ever coem across them before, and i had blanked on them meant to be in the game

[geraintm]

i am not going to say that, but they are giving off hard "bad townie" vibes, i would find it hard to believe scum would just be like that

if the player can be obvtowned by a bunch of people by page 5 or whatever it is then he is clearly playing great mafia

i thought they were playing exceptionally bad mafia, because they were digging themselves into a terrible hole over and over. ive not seen them in a game before, so i have zero idea if this is normal for them or not.

[geraintm]

VOTE: dio

catching up this morning

i don't understand this vote.

[btw, i normally try and associate players with their icons, so everytime someone says Gimli the last person i associate that with is Gwen Stefani]

VOTE: enchant

what on earth about Enchant's post made you vote for them?

I think scum is in (nepenthe, enchant, salsabil, kokichi). and I think you're burning up your attention on tvts.

how many scum? all 3, 2 or just 1?

[geraintm]

add dio to scum list

so, scum are in Dionysis, nepenthe, enchant, salsabil and kokichi? you think 3 out of the 5, or a safer 2 out of 5 or a terrible 1 out of 5?

[geraintm]

No one is scumreading me yet. Why aren't I getting scumreads? I've hardly done anything to solve the game. Shouldn't someone be picking on me already?

UNVOTE: Nono
VOTE: Kokichi

is this a joke post? because we should be past joke and a rando votes by now

[geraintm]

VOTE: Ausuka

Easy

again, another vote i don't understand


is everyone else got access to another thread for this game where people are writing totally different stuff, because i don't get anyone?

[geraintm]

Vote Count 1.0.2



Gimli (3) geraintm, Enchant, Salsabil Faria,
Elsa Jay (3) Ausuka, Nono, Comus

Enchant (2) Magical Girl, Gimli,

Kokichi Oma (1) KawaiiKame
Ausuka (1) Kokichi Oma,
Comus (1) Elsa Jay,

Not Voting (2) Dionysus, nepenthe,

With 13 players it takes 7 to eliminate.
Deadline: (expired on 2023-03-15 21:26:00)

so, in the aim of getting day 1 over with as quick as possible VOTE: Elsa Jay
i will continue for the rest of today to follow the wisdom of the crowd

[geraintm]

please associate me with gwen stefani

you wish

i read Nep's entrance. that made a whole lot of no sense. i am hoping they'll be better with some shut eye

[geraintm]

add dio to scum list

so, scum are in Dionysis, nepenthe, enchant, salsabil and kokichi? you think 3 out of the 5, or a safer 2 out of 5 or a terrible 1 out of 5?

dio: failed to launch which I think is a scummy thing. like starting to read and then 'omg this game is too much' and then going mia
nepenthe: didn't post anything so it was >rand scum since the posters were towny. didn't like much of their stuff either once they did post, but not a strong read either way.
enchant: is scum
salsabil: idk but nothing reads as towny
kokichi: playing too much from the sidelines when kokichi loooooves the attention might be a scum thing

also there are FIVE scums? that seems like a high number.

no, i assume 3 scum, but you have a pool of 5 to pick from then?

i dont knwo what failed to launch means?

[geraintm]

No one is scumreading me yet. Why aren't I getting scumreads? I've hardly done anything to solve the game. Shouldn't someone be picking on me already?

UNVOTE: Nono
VOTE: Kokichi

is this a joke post? because we should be past joke and a rando votes by now

I semi feel this is Kokichi indicating being scum, Idek tho

it does have that "I'm so smart, no one would believe Scum would post this" vibe to it, i will give you that

[geraintm]

gera wrote 'in the name of ending d1 as quickly as possible' and 'follow the wisdom of the crowd'

the reaction from kame and elsa are absolutely warranted and I don't know if you're acting dense or I'm misinterpreting your post here.

i don't see why i am getting shade for voting the longest wagon. why is my vote worse than all those who have preceded me?

[geraintm]

@ gimli. well, i am consistent. it would be weird of me to not vote like this. i am just being more explicit this game with my reasons

but the rest of you are shouting at Froggy now so im gonna leave you to that.

this game is weird, feels way more people awake and posting when i am compared to normal

[geraintm]

Last three pages are garbage

last 18 pages....

[geraintm]

No one is scumreading me yet. Why aren't I getting scumreads? I've hardly done anything to solve the game. Shouldn't someone be picking on me already?

UNVOTE: Nono
VOTE: Kokichi

is this a joke post? because we should be past joke and a rando votes by now

Based on the little I know Kawaii, I think that post was legit. My question is why would you automatically assume it was a joke vote?

i thought it was some sort of joke vote because kawaii's vote for you was just so very random it couldnt be a real vote. but you clearly know them better than me.

i feel i am at a real disadvantage with you because i have no idea who the person in the pictures you keep posting is.

[geraintm]

elsa has tremendously sharp reads

almost a wolf TMIing but I'm sure it's just town playing good

i couldn't put my finger on it, but their post 465 had a weird vibe. like....saying they were worried about their future but also very confident that they were not actually in trouble. just that saying they were in trouble.

re Ausuka's reads list - its a very "me" post

Hmmmm
3 in {Enchant, Dionysus, Salsabil, Nono}?
I don’t have time like yesterday to look things over in details so I think I’m gonna sleep on this.

i just realised that not only is Salsabil getting replaced, but there are 2 other players who have posted even less. with Nepen also having taken aged to get into the game and the way nothing has been happening so far, i would put the odds of these 3 players being scum being above average

quickly, why were you on here so fast to see that and ask me about it when your last post was like 12 hours ago

You notified me

Via quoting me, that's how you my attention

^^^ this btw is a good thing, i love this new feature on the website!

[geraintm]

most of the scum in that pool of lurkers magical girl posted. there's nothing I can do about it, it's just how we're solving the game.

Saying all the lurkers are scum is not solving. You also recently said nepenthe is a villager, you don't mention them in the above list.

i think i said something like this, but not exactly. i said because the game has been pretty dull with few attempts at wagons, i think this could be because some scum are missing from the game and not pushing them, so there is a higher than average chance scum are in the slots that have been majorly absent.

i had some logic behind my read at least.

[geraintm]

When we getting vc?

Funnily enough I was counting votes

Gimli (4) Enchant, Salsabil Faria, Ausuka, Comus
Elsa Jay (3) Nono, geraintm, KawaiiKame

Enchant (3) Magical Girl, Gimli, Elsa Jay

Ausuka (1) Kokichi Oma,

Not Voting (2) Dionysus, nepenthe,

VOTE: gimli

[geraintm]

Look forward to hearing thatvreason Nepe

[geraintm]

Look forward to hearing thatvreason Nepe

i don't find their play sincere in that their overreactions to being voted read way more as scared mafia "pr" than scared town (vanilla or otherwise) to me so i assume they're some kind of scum one-shot who hasn't been able to use their ability and won't if they're lynched today because otherwise, i don't see anyone who is actually town caring so much to the point they're that thrown each time someone mentions them and doesn't follow it with a tr. i'm not buying it, i think it was gimil who called them "bleeding town" (may have been someone else, i can fact check, don't @ me) which to me reads as a much more sincere (but imo incorrect) read than anything elsa's outed all game.

i find your posts really hard to follow, too many commas.
i don't like the whole "locked in my vote" thing, i don't believe it.


naughty point for you.

[also, the L word is banned on site]

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraintm

why not

because i am a terrible person to eliminate day 1.
i know i am easily solveable as scum (i get really panicky) so this is a waste.

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraintm

why not

because i am a terrible person to eliminate day 1.
i know i am easily solveable as scum (i get really panicky) so this is a waste.

Who is not terrible person to eliminate day 1, day 1 is literally fucking dodgeball with no flips and evidence

someone unreadable. not_mafia i always thought was an excellent person to eliminate day 1.

and nice that you agree with my "Day 1s are awful" idea

[geraintm]

Ausuka is probably not getting voted out today which is sad, but Elsa has a good chance so I think go there

its sad that we still have 2 players away from keyboard, no way we can go to night just in case either has a role which we need them to use tonight

[geraintm]

Ausuka is probably not getting voted out today which is sad, but Elsa has a good chance so I think go there

its sad that we still have 2 players away from keyboard, no way we can go to night just in case either has a role which we need them to use tonight

Sure we can. We just do it

Ok, we could do it but it would be 100% irresponsible. Day 1 don't matter, but night 1 does and we can't afford to miss any night actions

[geraintm]

VOTE: elsa say

The what?

Is gimli the longest thread becauaeni want to vote there

[geraintm]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I agree with this wagon

The actual what?

[geraintm]

Ok, I am just accepting thr claim until proved otherwise. If it is fake it will bebfound out sooner or later.
I really want to see a vote count

[geraintm]

Weekend, don't have time to ever say much. But even less point now with so many absent players.

[geraintm]

KawaiiKame

Dionysus

Magical Girl

Gimli

Elsa Jay

Comus

nepenthe

Enchant

Kokichi Oma

Ausuka

Nono

VOTE: Kawaii

I'm.not sure how to react

[geraintm]

so, i wa away over the weekend, waiting for the game to kick back into life with new players / STD.

that hasn't happened.
i've got not much to say. STD had a read list but as it appears to be motly based on vibes

and excluded me!

that isn't anything.

the "we should no eliminate" discussion was fun, because for the first time ever i didn't bring it up

[geraintm]

I need to admit that i am not really Cop

Ffs.
I'm the kinda guy who believes claims.

I'm checking out of day 1, it is utter crap.
I'll be voting and stuff and half paying attention, but you've all just been wasting time and more time.

[geraintm]

why are people townreading gera aagain

i dont know. i've always said that people shouldn't go after me day 1 because i am easily solveable as scum, im so obvious.

I'm a Town Compulsive Visitor. This seems like the sort of role to claim straight away. I'm probably going to choose a player today and very loudly target them every Night as long as both of us are alive.

you have to leave the house every night and go see someone? but not announcing so the person you go to doesn't know you have gone there. i was a town announcing compulsive voyeur in a recent game, and i can't see the point of the role except to possibly confuse a cop and get a false positive?

[geraintm]

Still haven't read, can confirm that voting geraintm D1 is a waste of time

Vote him out D3 instead when you still have no clue what his alignment is but you have less options for scum

this ^^^

i know i am cursed to never ever finish a game on this site again

[geraintm]

This is really good content gera!

is that sarcastic?

is that a U8 football coach pepping up the worst player on the team?

[geraintm]

id vote enchant too i think kawaii is more likely

kawaii seems to be inquisitive and instead of talking about elsa's reveal they just kind of unvote and slink into the shadows

i was trying to work out which players haven't posted recently.

this post gives me the bad feels....like holding out for 2 players to get wagonned and so they can hop on. there was a reads list but no explanation to it, and the slot has disappeared the last day or so so are they waiting for something to happen?

Nepenthe unvoted and hasn't come back

Elsa is voting for Klick from back before they replaced.

id vote enchant too i think kawaii is more likely

kawaii seems to be inquisitive and instead of talking about elsa's reveal they just kind of unvote and slink into the shadows

This? I didn't know what to say with Elsa's cop reveal, uncc'd cop is pretty evident in what in means, I didn't feel the need to inquire about it, the claim is evident Elsa is town despite me thinking she's potentially informed, which is why I unvoted
I slinked into the shadows of math

i wonder what Kawaii is going to say about Elsa now that the Cop Claim has been withdrawn?

And we are still waiting on Menalque to appear.

Feels like still a quarter of the player slots are not present.

and me, im sorry. i have zero enthusiasm for this game, the above post was almost too much effort for me.

[geraintm]

Lunch break got me through Page 15. I was going to update my reads list but literally nothing has changed. Magical Girl and Kawaii are more clearly town than they were a couple hundred posts ago. I hope the dead slots start being less dead soon.

Good luck with that

[geraintm]

Did i even lie for once?

this is what happens when you cry wolf.

my last game i got voted off day 1 on page 13.
we are going to easily clear 50 pages on day 1 this game.

[geraintm]

I need to admit that i am not really Cop

Ffs.
I'm the kinda guy who believes claims.

I'm checking out of day 1, it is utter crap.
I'll be voting and stuff and half paying attention, but you've all just been wasting time and more time.

Wasn't this a retraction to their cop claim?

[geraintm]

Enchant and Elsa are 2 different people

Oh.
Well.....

I think I should just delete my account now

[geraintm]

Elsa Jay (1) Klick
Gimli (3) geraintm, Ausuka, Kokichi Oma
Kokichi Oma (3) Gimli, Elsa Jay, Comus
KawaiiKame (2) Menalque, Save The Dragons

Not Voting (4) KawaiiKame, Magical Girl, nepenthe, Enchant

Should be correct now. I guess my brain secretly thinks Enchant == Kokichi

VOTE: kokichi oma

[geraintm]

Oh, then i'm not vig.. haha..ahah...

oh ffs

[geraintm]

Someone asks for reads and top 3. i don't want to but i'll do the bare minimum

I've got the player list below and if i have any thoughts i'll stick them next to them

KawaiiKame
Save the Dragons < replacement, did a very long catch up which let them get in loads of reads that never meant anything
geraintm
Dionysus < i don't remember them at all. and realise why, they have been replaced but the Page 1 post from mod doesn't show this so i literally have no idea what this slot is doing. must be melanque, but i don't remember their posts either.
Magical Girl
Gimli < people seem to like pushing here
Elsa Jay - was this the one who claimed cop or Enchant?
Comus < i had them as town early doors, but i can't remember why now exactly and i fear i have given them a clean slate for something 50 pages ago
nepenthe - can't remember them at all
Enchant - was this the one who claimed cop or was it elsa? Who ever it was i am giving a slight town lean for being too dumb as scum claim like that
Kokichi Oma
Ausuka < i keep seeing long posts from them which seem argumentative. but i don't know what about
Klick

to vote off - really don't care, but i think comus, gimli & ausuka all talk so much they should not be eliminated because they'll give themselves away at some point if scum.

this is a 62 page day 1....

[geraintm]

Someone asks for reads and top 3. i don't want to but i'll do the bare minimum

I've got the player list below and if i have any thoughts i'll stick them next to them

KawaiiKame
Save the Dragons < replacement, did a very long catch up which let them get in loads of reads that never meant anything
geraintm
Dionysus < i don't remember them at all. and realise why, they have been replaced but the Page 1 post from mod doesn't show this so i literally have no idea what this slot is doing. must be melanque, but i don't remember their posts either.
Magical Girl
Gimli < people seem to like pushing here
Elsa Jay - was this the one who claimed cop or Enchant?
Comus < i had them as town early doors, but i can't remember why now exactly and i fear i have given them a clean slate for something 50 pages ago
nepenthe - can't remember them at all
Enchant - was this the one who claimed cop or was it elsa? Who ever it was i am giving a slight town lean for being too dumb as scum claim like that
Kokichi Oma
Ausuka < i keep seeing long posts from them which seem argumentative. but i don't know what about
Klick

to vote off - really don't care, but i think comus, gimli & ausuka all talk so much they should not be eliminated because they'll give themselves away at some point if scum.

this is a 62 page day 1....

this is a truly awful list

in what way was it awful?
i said at the end 3 players i think shouldn't be eliminated today because they are likely to solve themselves later rather than sooner, and i tried my best with everyone to stick some thoughts on them?

[geraintm]

If you had just written "I haven't read the game" you could have saved yourself a lot of time and it would have said about the same thing

i tried at the start, but once i mistook one player for another i realised i was not at 100% today and today has truly gone on for way way too long and yeah...ive not read the game much lately, just trying to get vibes and waiting for vote counts

[geraintm]

Someone asks for reads and top 3. i don't want to but i'll do the bare minimum

I've got the player list below and if i have any thoughts i'll stick them next to them

KawaiiKame
Save the Dragons < replacement, did a very long catch up which let them get in loads of reads that never meant anything
geraintm
Dionysus < i don't remember them at all. and realise why, they have been replaced but the Page 1 post from mod doesn't show this so i literally have no idea what this slot is doing. must be melanque, but i don't remember their posts either.
Magical Girl
Gimli < people seem to like pushing here
Elsa Jay - was this the one who claimed cop or Enchant?
Comus < i had them as town early doors, but i can't remember why now exactly and i fear i have given them a clean slate for something 50 pages ago
nepenthe - can't remember them at all
Enchant - was this the one who claimed cop or was it elsa? Who ever it was i am giving a slight town lean for being too dumb as scum claim like that
Kokichi Oma
Ausuka < i keep seeing long posts from them which seem argumentative. but i don't know what about
Klick

to vote off - really don't care, but i think comus, gimli & ausuka all talk so much they should not be eliminated because they'll give themselves away at some point if scum.

this is a 62 page day 1....

this is a truly awful list

Not sure if you're reading this as an ordered reads list, I don't think it's meant to be that

oh no, it isn't ordered, i just copied the list of names from the first post of the game

[geraintm]

Not sure if you're reading this as an ordered reads list, I don't think it's meant to be that

not the order, just awful list, we're a million pages in and this is what gera has to say.

sorry. but what is there to really go on? i can remember exactly one wagon all game

[geraintm]

VOTE: std

okay I'm behind it

Remember that Gimli has been 'behind' (read: ahead of) every single push that might go through today. Before replacements, targets all inactives plus enchant and ausuka, but admits pushing ausuka will be too hard. Kokichi has votes? Gimli jumps on that. Klick suddenly susses Enchant and Ausuka? Gimli is sudenly okay with voting out Enchant again. Comus votes Dionysus? Yup, Gimli is happy with that.

Klick wants to kill Save the Dragons? Gimli is 'behind it' while already voting there and having been on Salsabil ever since they left(easy prey. All Gimli's pushes have been easy prey, momentum wise)

But KawaiiKame?

Oh noo...... Gimli might vote there, he says, but ooooh nooo.... never will.

I've seen gimli do this as town too though.

Just wanted to say i saw this in post 250/251

Gimli, why is Kawaii your vote here? I'm trying to see an angle but the posts don't align there at all.

I want to know the same, I feel you attempting to solve the game now

I don't see solves, I see someone desperate to start a wagon

Naughty point for gimli

gimli has had a boner for wagons all game and hasn't stopped.

it is weird how nothing has come of them...town not biting

[geraintm]

So, my whole shtick to day 1 was to vote the longest wagon....and I failed to do that?

[geraintm]

But thank F'k day is over.

[geraintm]

I have a team building day so only checking in

[geraintm]

i need before i do anything to remember all the claims and stuff. PS: i always believe all the claims.

Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary { ive just had to read what this role does - it tells someone they were visited but not by who, is that right?? }
Elsa Jay - Cop and clear on Gimli
Enchant - bodyguard

Elsa - was visited by unknown player

Is that everything?

{aside, going from the wiki The Normal version of the Hider is one of the simplest: the Hider, when they use their ability, cannot be killed by actions targeted at them; however, if their target dies as a result of an active killing action (e.g. a factional kill or Vigilante shot), the Hider will also die <<< does this mean the hider has to target someone each night to use their hiding ability, but they do die if the person they are hiding at dies too?? }

I'm vanilla

Conclusion: I got picked by a Checker, a Ballsy Hider, or just a random visitor?

I'm the Hider

Conclusion: I got picked by a Checker, a Ballsy Hider, or just a random visitor?

elsa got visited by someone last night, but doesn't know who

Me? I am loud visionary

Elsa claimed cop and

Oh yeah and because at this point he'll get himself killed otherwise Gimli is currently cop cleared by me.

I counterclaim bodyguard!

I will protect myself.

i've not actually seen Enchant roll this back?

[geraintm]

does this mean the hider has to target someone each night to use their hiding ability, but they do die if the person they are hiding at dies too??

Yes

btw are you weak?

No

i don't know what strong/weak means with hider, sorry

[geraintm]

Wait you still believe my claims?

i think yours is the one i least believe.
a bodyguard and a hider in the same game, from my understanding of the roles, seems an odd combination to put together (even to save Mod's sanity to stop having to work out if everyone targets everyone else)

no one has told me my catch up on the claims is incorrect, so i am assuming i caught them all

[geraintm]

Wait you still believe my claims?

i think yours is the one i least believe.
a bodyguard and a hider in the same game, from my understanding of the roles, seems an odd combination to put together (even to save Mod's sanity to stop having to work out if everyone targets everyone else)

no one has told me my catch up on the claims is incorrect, so i am assuming i caught them all

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

sorry, are you making fun of me because you made a claim that was not true and i believed you?

[geraintm]

Gimli (4)

Salsabil Faria

, Ausuka, geraintm, Comus, [E-3]

Enchant (3)

Magical Girl

, Gimli, Elsa Jay
Elsa Jay (3) Nono, KawaiiKame, Kokichi Oma

Not Voting (3) Dionysus, nepenthe, Enchant,

MAking note here of the main wagons and votes, and i have coloured in the 2 slots that we have lost that were both green

Elsa Jay (4) Nono, Kokichi Oma, nepenthe, Enchant [E-3]

Gimli (2) geraintm, Elsa Jay

KawaiiKame (1)

Save the Dragons

,

Save the Dragons

(1) Gimli,
Kokichi Oma (1) Ausuka

No Elimination (1) Comus

Not Voting (3) Dionysus, KawaiiKame,

Magical Girl

,

Elsa Jay (3) Nono, Kokichi Oma, nepenthe, [E-4]

Gimli (2) geraintm, Comus
Dionysus (2) Gimli,

Magical Girl

geraitnm (1) Enchant
Nono (1) Elsa Jay
KawaiiKame (1)

Save the Dragons

,
Kokichi Oma (1) Ausuka

Not Voting (2) Dionysus, KawaiiKame,

Vote Count 1.0.6

Save The Dragons

(7): Gimli, Ausuka, Klick, KawaiiKame, Comus, Menalque,

Magical Girl

Kokichi Oma (2) Elsa Jay, geraintm
KawaiiKame (1):

Save the Dragons

Klick (1): Enchant


Not Voting (3) nepenthe, Kokichi Oma

Elsa Jay (2): Kokichi Oma, Enchant
Gimli (1): Ausuka
Ausuka (1): Comus
Kokichi Oma (1): Gimli
Enchant (1): Elsa Jay

Not Voting(5): KawaiiKame, geraintm, Menalque, Skygazer, Klick

[geraintm]

thoughts about the wagons.

there is no overlap between the Elsa one and the STD one apart from Klick

but they are amazingly distinct.

i am going to have a look at the Elsa votes, because i am interested to see how hard people tried to get that going.
and then the mid to late STD votes who went there knowing it was likely to get pushed over the edge

[geraintm]

You forgot to paint self in green

um, whilst i know i am, i was going to leave it up for everyone to use and no one else knows that it would be less of a useful resource for everyone

[geraintm]

will be around later to delve into why i'm probably not unvoting this but also please give gwen stefani an extra 24 hours to do something i like because they're neutral to me right now after that exchange yesterday! thank you!!

VOTE: ElsaJay

that was the Nep vote on Elsa day 1.
they got called out straight away by Elsa as scum.
it does look a bad vote, not going to lie. but they flaked from the game so i don't know if it was scummy or just poor levels of engagement with the game.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

I agree with this wagon

that was the enchant vote.
if anything it is worse than Nep's, because they were at least posting regularly in the game.

but 2 days later they had switched off onto me with this vote

VOTE: geraintm

You just failed dice check

which stinks
and then 2 days later switching again when the attempt at a wagon on me went nowhere.

hate these votes.
i would not be surprised at all if these were scum.

putting Enchant and Nep in by Naughty pile

[geraintm]

VOTE: geraintm

Dismissed.

i havent gone through the votes on the STD wagon yet, but right now with your votes yesterday and voting the cop today, assume i am voting for you

[geraintm]

Looking at the votes on the STD wagon now, see how they look

This is the Klick vote. they were also the only person on the Elsa Jay wagon (when the slot was nono)

VOTE: Save The Dragons

This is absolutely the vote that should be happening today

that isn't a great vote,and they had led with sticking STD in their scum pile a few times but i couldnt see an obvious reason to do so.

This is the KAwaii vote.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

I think this is the reason

STD potentially with pushing my vote

i don't uderstand post 1339 - it is like a weird interaction with Klick?
i don't get it

VOTE: Save the Dragons

I will now show why Gimli is a wolf.

thats the comus vote. i have 0% idea what comus was doing yesterday. but this was the 5th vote and they would have known STD was going at this point.

when I say coaching I mean more like... support? I assume that any actual coaching would be taking place in scum PT, yes

I mean more like softballs of stuff to respond or commenting on kawaii's posts with stuff like 'good reads' or w/e

sigh where is a player anal enough to keep track of votes when mod is MIA when u need one

I don't think we're anywhere near to hammer VOTE: StD

sorry bud

pedit: I think it's a fine line bc sometimes it can set you up to be killed if right or killed if wrong and then used to frame you as having been right. I like to out it on a case-by-case basis. while I think lying to town is most often a terrible idea, I think withholding a certain amount of what you're thinking is often a good choice. I also doubt I die during the night given claims etc

that was the Menalque vote.
it was the 6th vote. i at least has said i would vote longest wagon, they must have known this was going to get STD dead and they say instead "i don't think we're anywhere near to hammer" !

I mean if Gera hadn't enchant would've lol

especially as they posted this after.

their posts leading up to their vote on STD were bad too, lots of "Well...i dont really want to vote SD but if that is what you want"

I hate this vote. worst of the lot

I think there is likely a pair of scum in amoung that lot, i think there are high odds for sure. comus least likely to be scum

[geraintm]

So people quickhammer people because they believe i quickhammer anyway?

That's lame.

they didnt even hammer. they just placed the 6th vote, knowing me or you were likely to hammer but claimed we were nowhere near the point of hammering!

[geraintm]

catching up, had a funeral yesterday.
i can't deal with Comus, their post style is just too confusing and all over the place and (importantly) just backed up with nothing that i cannot deal with them at all.
whatever they are trying to achieve is just never going to work on me.

[geraintm]

catching up, had a funeral yesterday.
i can't deal with Comus, their post style is just too confusing and all over the place and (importantly) just backed up with nothing that i cannot deal with them at all.
whatever they are trying to achieve is just never going to work on me.

Whatever. There are two fakeclaims, either you all get them or you don't. I won't shed any tears if you choose to be blind.

Sayonara.

See, this where we differ. i generally beleive claims until they are proven impossible, you seem to be coming from the opposite direction. it is really hard to approach the game and not clash with you when we are looking at it so differently.
your tone was fine btw.

[geraintm]

i think i need to summerise for myself who i think is most likely to be scum based on what i've looked at

Melanque

Klick
KawaiiKame
Enchant
Nep

Comus

I don't think i especially want to vote outside the 1st 5 right now unless something comes up.
Because of the claims, not going to vote Elsa Jay today, unlikely to vote for Enchant/Asuka/KawaiiKame because i think with their claims they can be found out later (i do realise i am the perfect person to fake claim against, but i always trust that town with its roles can always sus out fake claims with their night actions)

i do notice now though none of the people i would be most likely to vote for are any of the 3 wagons that mod has going right now.

[geraintm]

catching up form yesterday

at this point I want elsa to fullclaim cause I agree with comus that 'modified' cop is a little ???? and then she gives me a hard green anyway? how modified is that lmao

as a matter of principle, i don't like forcing people to claim all the time, and certainly not force them if they know withholding some info benefits town. sometimes it is in scum's favour to get the full claim.
but as this is gimli doing it, no naughty points here

[geraintm]

Elsa Jay + KawaiiKame + Ausuka(?)

The monkeys were pretty clear.

And Kokichi you better vote one of them soon. 'Oh Elsa isn't going through let me vote Comus with Ausuka because.... let me vote Comus with Ausuka.' Not even amusing, just sad.

Elsa doesn't claim modifier, isn't a cop. KawaiiKame isn't a hider. I have Ausuka as their wolf friend for now, makes sense, but the greater certainty lies on Elsa and Kawaii. I'd be willing to give Ausuka a chance, a very small one though, to shpw ke she isn't third wolf. Going off Day Two, dubious. Ausuka needs Elsa and Kawaii's claims believed. That looks crimson.

I honestly cannot understand your reads. I feel like you've scumread everyone so far.

i agree, i have switched off from them, their posts are basically invisible to me

[geraintm]

We're still waiting for that modifier Elsa. I'll let you cook.

As I said to gera, I'll case this, what fun that's gonna be.

I'm a Soul Cop. I visit and get a Soul Read on the person. Usually very accurate.

I also Jailkeep them on the side but that's a different matter entirely.

VOTE: Comus

oh.
see, this is why i always get in trouble for believing people's claims.
going to modify my claims post now....

[geraintm]

Comus is using ChatGPT to come up with his reads.

Yes!

[geraintm]

No i mean Jailkeeper is ez confirmable.

Just need to use it on pair with Visionary on someone else and yep.

is this right? i am no good at all with how roles play together. but if the two slots can confirm each other then i am likely to believe them because doing that is the sort of thing a mod would do.

[geraintm]

UNVOTE: Elsa Jay

I can't trust this new jailkeeper claim, or anything Elsa says anymore.

So, You don't trust them.
but you unvote them?
did the AI tell you to dothat?

[geraintm]

i think i need to summerise for myself who i think is most likely to be scum based on what i've looked at

Melanque

if you think I'm scum then can you engage me on the why? I asked you a question before which fair enough if you missed, but why does it make me scummier to be working to establish consensus on lims?

also, it's Menalque

Sorry for spelling name wrong

i said you were most likely to be scum, not that i was sure (if i had been sure i would have voted you but i didnt, and i think i even said to another player i had an imaginary vote on them). i went through the votes, and the way and when you got onto the wagon and your reasoning just to me made you the person most likely to be scum.

i've got nothing else but actions to go on, and the result of the few night actions we've been told about. when i was going over everyone, you were the person who stood out the most.

does that make sense?

[geraintm]

how would you feel about voting enchant with me, klick?

your last few posts aren't great. giving someone a pass because of a dead person's read.
putting out vague feelers with another player to start a wagon.
all too back seat.

[geraintm]

the fundamental question is always: who can I get the votes on?

regardless of if you're town or scum. I think I can get the votes on you and that you have a decent chance of flipping scum

what??
this reads awful.
this reads like what scum would be saying in their scum chat - yet you said it all out loud???

[geraintm]

elsa, strange times lead to strange bedfellows... how would you feel about supporting an enchant lim today?

i...i have no words. reading your posts in order im just flabbergasted

[geraintm]

Surely no one sincerely believes that Elsa is a jailkeeper

geraintm believes

i'm just Mulder

[geraintm]

and Gera and someone else disappearing.

ive been gone less than 24 hours?

[geraintm]

I'm probably never killing enchant this game btw

VOTE: elsa

you know what fine lets kill elsa

[geraintm]

Menal, Klick. You two replaced in. Solve this game for us plz.

I’m trying to but everyone is too focused on their pet reads or 1v1s to actually get a functioning town going overall, let alone a townbloc

I’m probably willing to vote kokichi atp, shocked to find myself saying this but I agree with comus, the readslist was astonishingly bad

no you are not. you are all like "who can i flip that isn't me?" or "random player X, you wanna go halves with me on a miselimination?"

you ain't solving at all

[geraintm]

No i mean Jailkeeper is ez confirmable.

Just need to use it on pair with Visionary on someone else and yep.

is this right? i am no good at all with how roles play together. but if the two slots can confirm each other then i am likely to believe them because doing that is the sort of thing a mod would do.

Visionary can visit player with Jailkeeper. This player will learn what actions was used on them.

If Visionary die, it doesh't stop: Message still will be received.
If target die, Jailkeeper is fake: Otherwise kill would be blocked.


So yeah, you need roleblocker at minimum to break that.

that's good to know, thanks
i ain;t touching Ausuku and Elsa today and assume they will work things out tonight between themselves

[geraintm]

Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
Enchant - had claimed

bodyguard

but i am making the assumption now that isn't true

Elsa - was visited by unknown player - confirmed to be Asuku by Elsa

VOTE: Menalque
sorry, i know this isn't where anyone else is but i just can't see how this doesn't have a higher than anyone else chance of being scum

[geraintm]

I can actually sheep that

im worried now, this should never happen

[geraintm]

firstly this: just because the way I solve is not the same way you solve or how you expect people to solve doesn't make it not solving.

but i dont think it is solving. trying to get anyone eliminated, begging others to join you - that isn't solving!

[geraintm]

Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
Enchant - had claimed

bodyguard

but i am making the assumption now that isn't true

Elsa - was visited by unknown player - confirmed to be Asuku by Elsa

VOTE: Menalque
sorry, i know this isn't where anyone else is but i just can't see how this doesn't have a higher than anyone else chance of being scum

Menalque locktown.

You don't even know about Klick's claim, I didn't tell you at first but fuck they still ain't there. Compulsive visitor..and twice you have failed to note down Gimli, who claimed VT before you started these lists. And enchant hard claimed VT. After a vig claim related to magical girl death.

Geaintm... I don't know. Scum or town, don't care. They're glossing over this game.

I ain't trusting anyone who doesn't have their head in the game. Not on Menalque, who's doing leaugues more than gera. Menalque is in fact scumhunting. As menalque focused on Enchant, trying to communicate, geraintm tunneled menalque. Now geraintm comes with the vote. Says as good a chance as any. Doesn't have a grip on game state. Well let's see where it goes.

what claim by Klick?
the game is 2250 posts long, i was sure i would miss something (exp day 1 i was skimming a lot) and i did ask people to point out any i missed.
you are using that against me as scummy??
because i asked for help in getting a good list and you chose to not?

i dread the next time we play in a game together.

[geraintm]

Yeah, Cop and Hider can't exist together. Took long enough to realise.

why?

[geraintm]

Klick - Town Compulsive Visitor.
Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
Enchant - had claimed

bodyguard

but i am making the assumption now that isn't true

Elsa - was visited by unknown player - confirmed to be Asuku by Elsa

[geraintm]

@ comus - i can't find the gimli claim, sorry

Yeah, Cop and Hider can't exist together. Took long enough to realise.

why?

Checked Hider can potentially survive for end game as confirmed innocent and infuriate mafia. It's partially same as including bulletproof+cop.

is this different from an innocent child but with loads more work?

[geraintm]

Klick - Town Compulsive Visitor.
Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
enchant claims vt (after also claiming bodyguard)
gimli claims vt
Elsa - was visited by unknown player - both Asuku and Kawaii said they visited on Night 1

(this isn't me trying to force people to claim btw, it is just somewhere for me to stick all them down because i forget or miss them)

[geraintm]

Klick - Town Compulsive Visitor.
Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
enchant claims vt (after also claiming bodyguard)
gimli claims vt
Elsa - was visited by unknown player - both Asuku and Kawaii said they visited on Night 1

(this isn't me trying to force people to claim btw, it is just somewhere for me to stick all them down because i forget or miss them)

I feel offended.

I also claimed Vigilante and Cop.

You can understand why I don't stick every single one of yout claims in

[geraintm]

Klick - Town Compulsive Visitor.
Comus - VT
KawaiiKame - hider
ausuka - loud visionary
Elsa Jay -

Cop

Jailkeeper??? and maybe clear on Gimli ???
enchant claims vt (after also claiming bodyguard)
gimli claims vt
Elsa - was visited by unknown player - both Asuku and Kawaii said they visited on Night 1

(this isn't me trying to force people to claim btw, it is just somewhere for me to stick all them down because i forget or miss them)

Enchant claimed they vig killed Magical Girl at immediate start of Day 2, idk might be important later. Doesn't have to be on list I guess but following that I had enchant as goon in my solve, enchant later claimed vt.

Yeah, I ignored that claim. Even I don't believe everything

[geraintm]

@klick

I never try send guess scum's motivations for their kills, at the end of the game when the scum pages are opened up it is always for some odd reason

[geraintm]

@klick

I never try send guess scum's motivations for their kills, at the end of the game when the scum pages are opened up it is always for some odd reason

I agree with that in principle
I do think there are certain things that can be assumed based on reading personalities and behaviour though

In particular, it is much easier to identify what someone would

not

do as opposed to what someone

would

do

For example, I think Comus as scum would

not

choose to kill Magical Girl when considering the reads he had posted in the thread

But they are just one person in a team and just because you can think of one reason why oen scum wouldn't do that kill, the other 2 may have their own reasons to do it.
I just think 100% not worth analysing night kils (except perhaps very late in the game)

[geraintm]

weekend, i dont post much. sorry
are we waiting on mod?

if they aren't dead, i dont think i would be joining the wagon now, their post death posts seem way too real.

i am not enjoying this game, i am not reading enough people as scummy and too many people as townie, but i think that is because some of the roles are wrong (and that seems to be Elsa's fault) and i can't get up enough energy to read anyone that anyone else is seeing as scum.

[geraintm]

But let's be clear. Did anyone believe Elsa claim?

yes

[geraintm]

VOTE: Elsa

You vote for them now, just in case they hadn't been pushed over the edge already?

[geraintm]

Guess who i tried to heal!

ausuka?

Menal.

And?

WELL I AM ALIVE I GUESS MENAL DIDN'T KILL ANYONE THIS NIGHT

catching up.
im confused, i dont understand how your role means menal didnt kill anyone?

[geraintm]

catching up.
im confused, i dont understand how your role means menal didnt kill anyone?

he is claiming shield, meaning he dies if his target performs a kill

im pretty sure i have never come across that before. so he is like able to protect someone from a kill, but if that person kills someone then he dies as well?
that seems weird??

[geraintm]

fine w goin first in the mass claim

sorry i've been mentally dead lately

has skygazer forgotten about this game? or do they think they claimed in this post?

do people want me to go instead so we dont just sit here sucking our thumbs?

[geraintm]

Absolutely cool with that thank you geraintm

am a VT

is Sky really up to -2 or -1 in the middle of a mass claim?
i wonder if those who are voting there will be happy with any claim from sky to change their vote?

[geraintm]

Sorry, not been catching up today, 2 people I manage finished today so occupied with that.

But....I'm going to have let others work out these claims.
Because my 1st thought was why did Skybwait a 1000 pages before crumbing, that seems sus.

But then I remembered they were a replacement

[geraintm]

so, what has happened the last few pages. apart from comus going further off the deepend?

has kawaii been found out?

from what i can tell, there seems a lot of trying to outguess the mod but that just feels like people have not taken the leap that there could be an unknown scum roll that makes things make more sense.

[geraintm]

ive seen really good scum players do much stupider things

Like fakeclaiming detective check on claimed vig?

who claimed vig??

KOKICHI CLAIMED VIG

whoops

i wish people had pointed this out when i was trying to make my posts to keep track of claims. instead they kept my mistakes to themselves so they could gotcha me later

[geraintm]

i wish people had pointed this out when i was trying to make my posts to keep track of claims. instead they kept my mistakes to themselves so they could gotcha me later

I'm pretty sure he claimed after u did that??

oh, well that makes more sense.

[geraintm]

geraintm... I just don't know. Probably not but they've done so little this game that, while everyone townreads it, I'm just indifferent at this point.

I enjoyed our earlier discussions, and really really thought you had a town mentality there. But start of day, you felt very very scummy to me, as well as end day 2. So I don't know. Take this how you wish, me trying to pocket you, whatever.

i wasn't around end of day 2?
and the start of today, i have barely posted anything because someone wanted a mass claim and i was waiting my turn and i got so bored i just skipped to my turn to actually say something.

i need to go over the wagons now from the game

[geraintm]

y

VOTE: menalque

I just checked, they were 2nd last on both the 2 wagons

[geraintm]

And they were where I ended up yesterday after i looked at thr wagons even before the town flip from last night
VOTE: menal

[geraintm]

Sorry, I am currently in Dolgellau on holiday this weekend, but should be on enough.

Comus, really?
I think you just feel left out and wanted some claim so people will pay you some attention.

[geraintm]

I think there were 10 posts between me starting my last post and hitting send

[geraintm]

I do agree with what Ausuka has been saying about how it feels like there is very little actual power in this game and that feels like a problem.

Can someone post an updated accurate list of claims for me please? Sorry

^^^^ this

[geraintm]

Also, a full list of all the fake claims

[geraintm]

Also, I've just had to check the wiki because I didn't know what detective did.

It feels a useless roll to announce, just scum send the same person every night

[geraintm]

that would make one of enchant or gera scum. I think it'd be gera.

I think I said at the start of the game that I am solvable as scum , I think I get really obvious and reading past games of mine as scum should make it so. If I've not triggered your scumdar by now I am not going to .

Day 1 was pointless, and I've tried with my limited knowledge to find scum or at least people I think are higher than expected to be scum.
But I am happy to follow others lead on the game if they can solve it with proper analysis of thr claims

[geraintm]

Waking up this morning, feels like whatever happens today tomorrow will be impossible for scum. There are too many roles out there and scum are going tonget trapped either by getting caught or claims falling apart.
I have a good feeling about this

[geraintm]

mechanically menalque is in isolation

I'm not sure what this means. But I don't think I have the energy to unvote just to have to come back to the thread to vote again.

especially with things like 2x hider cause the hider can be very annoying lategame

@Gimli you can unvote if you feel that we need more time before someone sweeps in for a hammer.

I'll just chill in my tree.

This is a weird ass post.

Comus doesn't want to unvote themselves.
But suggests gimli does?
(Who then goes ahead and unvotes)

I cant work out why comus is doing this, whatever they say about not having energy to come back to the thread is BS because we all know comus is going to post 47 more times today.

I just can't work out what is happening here and why?

[geraintm]

mechanically menalque is in isolation

I'm not sure what this means. But I don't think I have the energy to unvote just to have to come back to the thread to vote again.

especially with things like 2x hider cause the hider can be very annoying lategame

@Gimli you can unvote if you feel that we need more time before someone sweeps in for a hammer.

I'll just chill in my tree.

This is a weird ass post.

Comus doesn't want to unvote themselves.
But suggests gimli does?
(Who then goes ahead and unvotes)

I cant work out why comus is doing this, whatever they say about not having energy to come back to the thread is BS because we all know comus is going to post 47 more times today.

I just can't work out what is happening here and why?

I ignored you before with the 'Comus is just claiming cos he wants people to notice him' shit. I guess I was chill back then.

But now I'll say it: If you don't have anything beside these snide little attacks to say bout me just shut the fuck up bout me.

I'm not claiming cos I want attention.

I'm not unvoting cos menalque is scum, and I aM in fact done with this day.

Leave me the fuck alone with these statements. Try and actually case me if you're unsure, read, try to help town.

Overall this day should have already ended.

But scum sure are pushing for a comeback

Leave me alone in my tree.

I did not appreciate the tone of this post and felt it incredibly out of sync with what I wrote

[geraintm]

But now I'll say it: If you don't have anything beside these snide little attacks to say bout me just shut the fuck up bout me.



Leave me the fuck alone with these statements.

Comus.
No
The 2 above lines are over the line

[geraintm]

But now I'll say it: If you don't have anything beside these snide little attacks to say bout me just shut the fuck up bout me.



Leave me the fuck alone with these statements.

Comus.
No
The 2 above lines are over the line

Yeah and I thought u were over the line actually. My claim is real. U insulted me. So? Do as you please. I meant that, make peace that I don't want further drama, or continue this, i'm ignoring you from now on.

I just wanna be monke

Doubting someone's claim is one thing.
Telling someone to fuck off isn't.

Refusing to understanding the difference even when pointed out if baffling

[geraintm]

why the fuck are you guys fighting

Don't know. I am close to quitting as I am notnsure how to play a game ifni cannot talk to a player

[geraintm]

I strongly disagree, but in a nice way ; )

I disagree , but in not a nice way.

[geraintm]

Have not done a game read list for a long time, think it is about time I did one

KawaiiKame - I have this slot scum leaning I think, there seems to be too much confusion over their claim to have them town leaning. But not where i most want to place my vote.Also, I don't think this player is a cunt

Menalque - said repeatedly from their votes this is the person I think is most likely to be scum, and their gameplay hasn't dissuaded me from this point of view. Also, not a cunt.

Gimli - probably most town leaning player.in the game, I just like their posts and their attempts at solving. Also, not a cunt.

Comus - this obviously aimed at all the other players in the game and not them, but either they are really really bad town or scum. The kerfuffle over their claim is baffling. I thought the claim came because they didn't like being ignored and wanted some attention, and since then sitting there refusing to elaborate when repeatedly asked is not helping town at all.

Skygazer - I am assuming their claim is true, there seems to have been some disagreement about it but as far as I can see it has been sorted. Also, not a cunt.

Enchant - this is a slot I have as town leaning. I can't imagine how scum would have played like this. I often do this to people, work out what thr advantages are if they were scum and I cannot. But people have suggested it is in their arc, so I'm town leaning but would not be surprised. Also, not a cunt.

Ausuka - believe their claim, but I am being honest there are too many posts from them and I have turned the volume down on them so they have started to wash past me. Also, not a cunt.

Klick - I have this slot as meh, going neither way. Also, not a cunt.

[geraintm]

I hate it when people misspell words. They miss one out and then think there is a silent e at the end.

[geraintm]

Nah, you're cute.

Fuck off

[geraintm]

How the fuck is the only.player in this game who I have not said I don't think is a cunt stupid enough to ask me to talk to them, when they have told me to not talk to them?

[geraintm]

so gera can you expand on your skygazer read?

This slot was a total zero before it got replaced. Then came the claim which as far as I can tell has stood up despite some drama about if it was mechanically correct or not, so I am trusting it is.
If it isn’t, then it will sooner or later get found out as I believe I said earlier there are so many claims now that scum won’t have many places to hide.

Also, not a cunt as didn’t tell me to fuck off and tell me to not talk to them, I consider those pluses.

[geraintm]

gera do you have any thoughts on the specifics of the detective claim? I think a massive point of contention against skygazer's claim has been the fact that she targeted kokichi, a claimed vig, with an ability that detects if the player has a kill. it's like enchant said: the same as using a cop on a claimed miller

That does seem weird, but I didn't think about it, mechanical things like that are not things I normally am clever enough to piece together. It is where I follow better players than me though

[geraintm]

Paradoxes are things like being told to fuck off and have a nice day. Both can't be true.

See, if I told someone to fuck off, then that would be it.

[geraintm]

Is their a fucking idiot ghost talking to me, I can keep hearing a whisper of my name saying "geraintm...I'm a cute" but the last word is muffled and could really be anything?

[geraintm]

boo hoo!
did someone get upset last night? have a bad dweam?

[geraintm]

I don't think 2 PR claims are scum here

i don't know how many claims are not correct, but either they all are and we win in short order because scum don't have anywhere to go tomorrow, they are in too small a net (losing only 4 VTs so far is nice).

Or there are some serious untruths somewhere

[geraintm]

Right now I'm reading this game for those following along at home

viewtopic.php?t=89682

Did I win that one?

[geraintm]

I have hardly any memory kf that game, but looking at the night actions it is one of thr games where I was let go for way too long and in subsequent games I begged to be checked early because I think I am hard to read, but that didn't go Down well with people so I stopped that too

[geraintm]

So far my vague impression is that gera is a lot scummier in that game than in this one and in particular is a lot more self-focussed in the late game

But I want more confident conclusions than thay

I think I am very obvious as scum

[geraintm]

I am really panicky as scum, if you ever read my scum threads I feel I veer wildly from up to down. I think my votes are really bad as scum too, much worse than town which just come from me being a bad player.

As town, I occasionally just get awesome reads on some players, usually from conflict

[geraintm]

Just be as useful as I can be to town, make the best reads I can with what info I have. Know my weaknesses and don't overstep them. I mostly know what are bad.ideas and say, rather than having good ones

[geraintm]

So far my vague impression is that gera is a lot scummier in that game than in this one and in particular is a lot more self-focussed in the late game

But I want more confident conclusions than thay

I think I am very obvious as scum

I find it to be a red flag that you also said exactly this in the game I linked

You say that you feel like you're obvious when you're scum. Do you think that means there are obvious differences between your posting when you're scum and your posting when you're town?

That's what I'm trying to get at here. Help me see what you see. If you're obvious scum when you're scum, help show that you're not doing the things you always do when you're scum. Don't worry so much about how what you're saying

sounds

- just give me an honest contrast between what you're doing here and what you do that's so obvious in your scum games.

I think I am obvious when scum, I cannot help it if when playing others don't think that when I am, and you can't blame me for not pointing out their mistakes during the game. Maybe the obviousness is only because I can see it as I play? Dunno. I know I have caused people problems, why I have asked in games to be checked early but people just didn't.

Mood swings would be the way I normally give off scum vibes, and bad votes out of character with my posts. Like, if I suddenly hammered a townie and used a really forced reason - something I look out for in others - that would be something scummy .

BTW, I notice after the vote count that those with roles need to sort themselves out and if it is needed, work out among yourselves who is doing what. Need to get things right tonight

[geraintm]

DAy 2

VOTE: Menalque
sorry, i know this isn't where anyone else is but i just can't see how this doesn't have a higher than anyone else chance of being scum

Vote Count 2.7 (FINAL)

Elsa Jay (6): Skygazer, Gimli, Comus, KawaiiKame, Menalque, Ausuka
Kokichi Oma (2): Elsa Jay, Klick
Comus (1): Kokichi Oma
Menalque (1): geraintm

Not Voting (1): Enchant

Day 3

And they were where I ended up yesterday after i looked at thr wagons even before the town flip from last night
VOTE: menal

Yep, i just jumped onto Menalque today.

@klick
it isn't so much demotivated, i just don't enjoy putting effort in day 1 when i don't think it goes anywhere.

[geraintm]

i have don't know much about set up, but seems like the 5 claimed roles for town vs 1 for scum doesn't seem very fair.
it is why i have made the assumption that the claims are not all correct. or scum have something that can do something to the town roles, normally the set up gives each side something to balance the other (unless mod is just being a dick and messing with expectations, but it doesn't seem like that in this game.

[geraintm]

I should probably unclear ausuka at this point

@klick have you metadived ausuka's scumgames?

I'm not sure about Ausuka. My feel is she's still town, but being swayed by menalque's charisma?

Like look at this ausuka, lol

Charisma and theatre are p much the exact same skill set (acting) and yet my theatre is so bad according to comus that I was easily catchable from it while it’s simultaneously good enough that I’ve managed to bring you round from fairly sceptical on me to my side

There’s just no internal consistency to the thoughts because there are none, it’s all just words to try and look good and bluster for position

AImafia isn't very good at being mafia

[geraintm]

I think comus’ writing style is too individual to be from an AI

it has gotten different from the early game, that i found hard to believe was coming from a human.

Actually why not this way it shows up in my iso and the VC and I don’t think kawaii is happening

VOTE: comus

Comus necandae est!

for a player who has spewed 27 different 100% confident scum teams this game, it is disappointing that tomorrow i know i am just going to be in astraight up head fight with them whilst not being allowed to talk to them.

Fwiw compulsive visitor is an F tier role, visionary is E tier and hider is D tier. I don't think any of those roles impact on balance much. I think the setup works with Enchant and either skygazer or comus. It could also work with skygazer and comus and scum in like, idk, kawaii and enchant or whatever.

ah, fair enough. just trinket text on VTs. i always assume they are better than they seem from outside

as an aside. if gimli is scum then they have outplayed me totally. i just can't see me voting that slow over other options at any point in the game.

VOTE: Gimli

i dont feel like anything good is going to come of this.

i also dont think ive been lurking. didn't someone say like....20 pages ago they liked my intereaction with them?

[geraintm]

I am about to sit down and watch D&D for a few hours, I guess 10 minutes till lights down.

I have zero idea why comus felt they had to hide they claim for so long. On my quick skim I see no reason why holding it back was so vital.

[geraintm]

I will add that I am don't know if comus' plan works.

[geraintm]

so, i saw the red notice and that today was back up.
i've obviosly got no night actions, but yesterday ended way sus. notlooking at anyone in particular...

[geraintm]

You got blocked?

[geraintm]

Well.
Would any of thr claimed roles make sense to be a scum blocker instead of what they say they are?

Who pushed for thr mass claim?

[geraintm]

well if i was RBd id get no result

unless gimli is scum trying to find a rlly roundabout way to miselim me

the doc got roleblocked, not you.

[geraintm]

well if i was RBd id get no result

unless gimli is scum trying to find a rlly roundabout way to miselim me

the doc got roleblocked, not you.

That does sound like svs and tmi

You guys must really have a rber then...

Catching up.
I asked enchant if they got blocked and they said yes. I assume they got a message saying they were.

[geraintm]

God, I feel sonoutbif my depth

[geraintm]

I need to go back and work out all the claimed night actions, see if any of it makes sense.

Bank Holiday weekend though:(

[geraintm]

vote sky

I think sky has been trapped into exposing themselves, I alwaysbthought today scum would be because there were too many night actions to go round and they would be found out. The lack of any votes backing theirs up too.

[geraintm]

unvote

[geraintm]

Sorry

[geraintm]

Mafia will vote for Sky. But never for gimli: Because it will confirm them as mafia not long enough and they will not gonna risk their cover to win instantly.


So yeah, we can wait as much as we want.

also, this. what is gera going to say here, sus me? thats even worse for skygazer if he susses me

I've not sussed you at all, and I was suspicious of sky even before their night actions details today

[geraintm]

vote sky

I've seen enough. I am not surebwhy I was told to unvote earlier, as all that has happened is that sky is flailing more and more.
Easter weekend, don't expect much from me

[geraintm]

catching up

I was targeted by a blocking action and a protective action last night

I asked klick to target me and he either failed to do so twice now or he is lying and he is mafia

rn I think he is mafia

1st, someone targetted you with a blocking ability? but you've never claimed having a role (you haven't have you? i checked the summary posts of claims and i cannot see you having one) so who did that? makes no sense unless they are town and thought you were scum or are scum and thought you were lying about having no role? {i have more unformed thoughts about this}

2nd - ive just checked the wiki for visitor - and it says that you wouldn't know that a visitor has been to you.

so how did you know that klick didn't visit you?

of course, scum prob has a roleblocker

I'll just say it then: klick could've been rb'ed by maf and they chose to kill off enchant and rb klick to implicate him

not too hard tbh

but you said you were targetted by a roleblocker? the chances of there being 2 roleblockers in the game seem small?

With the true answer being 'I thought I submitted my visit to you at the start of the Night but I failed to do so, and defaulted to my list which had Ausuka at the top of it'

[geraintm]

gera dumbtelling pretty hard, nagl

is that a good thing or bad thing?
i accept i am dumb

[geraintm]

Gera if you are town i am going to need help seeing it

i think i just havent behaved as scum me normally does. i get weird and lose focus and try and force things through to my advantage as scum, and i havent in this game.
i don't think Mena would have happened if i was scum - at least not how it did, i would have much more opportunistically moved around looking for another wagon to finish off, but i didn't ever try and jump to KawaiiKame which is what i would normally do.

[geraintm]

I'm more confident in flipping gera today because skygazer saved him to hammer mena on d3.

i think i am being painted as scummy because of the way Sky hammered.
But if Sky is my partner, then why didn't they vote Menal here when they had every opportunity to do so and not make me look so bad.
The "evidence" against me is circumstantial at best - why not one player took any opportunity in the early game to check me when this always happens is annoying to say the least.

Vote Count 3.8

Menalque (4): geraintm, Comus, KawaiiKame, Enchant
KawaiiKame (3): Ausuka, Menalque, Gimli
Enchant (1): Skygazer

Not Voting (1): Klick

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

Deadline is April 4 at 3:00 PM PST, in (expired on 2023-04-04 18:00:00).

[geraintm]

seems like good evidence that kawa is a townie? which would also make you scum

why is that evidence that they are town?
i don't know how to argue that i am town when what is being used against me is from other people and i don't know what their reasoning was at the time? i can't magic up something to prove i am town, no more than anyone else can.

[geraintm]

but why would sky hammer to save me when it would implicate the pair of us, and not just sit there and let me go? they could have sacrificed me but instead they made sure that scum lost a player both the next nights?

[geraintm]

as an aside, is kawaii getting replaced?

[geraintm]

she played like potatoes

doesnt mean i have

[geraintm]

kawa straight up gave up on this game

not sure if i should unclear him for it

a player flaking, so i am sitting her trying to defend myself and that slot is essentially given a free ride isn't helpful

[geraintm]

Klick's reasoning and avoidance is as bad as Sky's was. If they had posted this earlier in the game they would have been eliminated for it.
managed to not vote on Day 3
didn't vote for Sky yesterday
was only overlap between the 2 wagons day 1 on Elsa and Save the dragons - both green.

their voting record is re-markedly not red.

[geraintm]

I am happy to wait for the replacement. I am finding it hard to argue against an empty chair

[geraintm]

I think nep/gera's interactions are pretty much +scum for gera, it seems interested to talk to the slot but not about the slot or trying to determine gera's alignment and the same can be said for how gera behaves with nep. so yeah.

that was day 1 wasn't it? you are turning Nep / SKy's posts towards me as something i can control?

ive looked at my posts at Nep

please associate me with gwen stefani

you wish

i read Nep's entrance. that made a whole lot of no sense. i am hoping they'll be better with some shut eye

Look forward to hearing thatvreason Nepe

Look forward to hearing thatvreason Nepe

i don't find their play sincere in that their overreactions to being voted read way more as scared mafia "pr" than scared town (vanilla or otherwise) to me so i assume they're some kind of scum one-shot who hasn't been able to use their ability and won't if they're lynched today because otherwise, i don't see anyone who is actually town caring so much to the point they're that thrown each time someone mentions them and doesn't follow it with a tr. i'm not buying it, i think it was gimil who called them "bleeding town" (may have been someone else, i can fact check, don't @ me) which to me reads as a much more sincere (but imo incorrect) read than anything elsa's outed all game.

i find your posts really hard to follow, too many commas.
i don't like the whole "locked in my vote" thing, i don't believe it.


naughty point for you.

[also, the L word is banned on site]

i think that is all i said at them. considering they were absent half of day 1, that seems normal levels of interaction with another player to me for me.

im having a hard time refuting your arguments that i am scum when they are so wishy washy, nothing even halfway concrete to them

[geraintm]

Sorry, away today and tomorrow visiting SiL, so can't post much. Bit as we are waiting for a replacement I don't feel too hounded

[geraintm]

Sure
VOTE: geraintm

Sigh....VOTE: klick

I guess we are doing this then.

Why you pushed this when we had kawa "apparently" away I'll never know.

Sorry, still in low post mode over weekend

[geraintm]

The pool of possible scum is very small, and anyone voting at this stage is clearly signaling to the person they are voting for their alignment (if not everykne else) How else do you think this is going to go?

[geraintm]

You and the missing slot

[geraintm]

I think the game not progressing with an absent player means something.
Your vote for me does too.
I have no extra info than what is public, but you two to me make the most sense right now, anything else and I've been outplayed completely

[geraintm]

on the list of probabilities, i always had GImli and ausuka as least likely to be scum from a few days ago, their play and the results of other's actions just made them more likely to be town than anyone else. as the field narrowed, they were left alive.
your slot i have said previously just looks so scummy, your actions (and i try and go from actual actions when i can over vague feelings) just looked bad before and now have you top of the list.
kawaii - well it is a process of elimination and (here i am using circumstantial feelings like i said i wouldn't) the absence of any progress today is highly suspicious. in the situation we are in, nothing happening when a slot is not present does mean something to me.

[geraintm]

I think MT's catch up looks townie and somewhat unaligned with either klick or gera

That wouldn't be impossible to fake when they know the whole purpose of their entrance is to get me eliminated over klick. Between them they just need the one wrong elimination over 2 days to win and everything is being done to set that up

[geraintm]

these are the posts i saw of sky before i said they were flailing

enchant could be fakeclaiming as goon and needed comus gone bc of that? the "whoops i tried to protect him" is v convenient

post aimed at enchant fakeclaiming

i think comus dying probably means scum has a PR that claimed VT or a goon that claimed PR

ausuka doesnt fit that bc her role is confirmed
gera/gimli are both VT claims
kawaii is hider claim
enchant is doc claim

throwing out a post about scum claims

i guess if ausuka's scum game is p good now like others said it might also be possible she coached gimli into framing me?

post about ausuka implicating them and gimli

klick in that pool of ausuka/gera/kawaii who do u think is most likely for third scum?

gimli posted something along the lines of "if i were scum my team would all vote you" and i cant figure out if that statement was meant to falsely implicate gera or distance from gera

post aimed at klick asking about scum teams

ausuka is prob town here

im waffling between gera and kawaii

previously seeing ausuka saying they are town and scum is me or kawaii

at this point either enchant is scum or scum rlly dont know how to coordinate a quickhammer

throwing stuff at enchant


and so on.
they were in a weird spiral of posts that made no sense, flinging dirt everywhere. i would always describe this as flailing.

[geraintm]

More precisely, gera is posting like someone who is ultimately expecting to get eliminated

and is fine with it

Nope. I just I've been out of my depth in this game for a long time, I'm not capable of long posts like MT , especially having been in it for ages.
I've tried to respond to everything thrown at me, but in much the same way I feel what is being used against me is purely circumstantial ( and not based on, you know, me actually being scum) what I can use to persuade others about others guilt is weak too (except the whole constantly voting green players and accidentally not doing the required night actions that would have proved you were innocent) except the bits I know must be true because I know my alignment.

[geraintm]

Gera isn't posting like someone who will lose the game when he flips

More precisely, gera is posting like someone who is ultimately expecting to get eliminated

and is fine with it

So we're all in agreement gera is scum here

this is incredibly disappointing

@klick - not much, i kinda realise i am not having any impact on this game so i am pretty down.
and sorry, not innocent but at least consistent with your claimed roll.

[geraintm]

I am amused by the level of effort being put into this game when it is so close to being over

[geraintm]

I am amused by the level of effort being put into this game when it is so close to being over

If ur town and ur just watching me be Gimli or Ausuka or whoever's puppet for hours on end then BRUH \
thats funny as fuck actually

this is the longest game I can remember playing. 170 pages. And not especially funny

[geraintm]

your logic makes no sense. i was suspicious of sky way way before they were anywhere near elimination, i was like 90% going to vote for them from the start of the day unless something magical had happened over night. why would scum me and sky set up things like that? this is why it is all pointless, everyone is arguing among themselves but from the flawed position that i am scum. i literally have no idea why you are all dragging today out when we can all pack up and go home anytime you all want to.

[geraintm]

I still stand by the fact that 4225 is gera genuinely not getting what's going on with the roles at the start of today.

well, duh. i am always miles behind the game, and if a game every requires me to solve a game based on my working out a complex game state then town should not let themselves get themselves into that posistion.
there is a reason i make posts throughout games trying to keep track of claims. i am lost without them, and barely functioning with

[geraintm]

I feel i am basically getting judged because i voted for Sky. I wasn't the only one to do so

Sky is at E-1. This looks like a quickhammer setup. Unvote now please.

nothing about this post, trying to save Sky.

[geraintm]

Fine with mafiabthread being open.

I think this was peak scum game for me. I felt so obvious as scum by the time I went, as I said I would be.

Ausuku did the heavy lifting, I was there just to make them look good.