Mini 2292: Anything uPick - Game Over!

[Pink Ball]

It's ok Enchant I don't mind in this particular case

Do you need to finish off remaining mafia when you eat last one to end game?

No! If I catch mafia they're off the game

[Pink Ball]

If you think that Flea is the remaining scum, you can vote me and fae will die with me, ending the game

[Wavelength]

If you were a survivor, why did you previously argue that the game would continue even if you had all of the scum inside you?

What was the rational behind saying that the game would not end?

[Enchant]

Nah that would be silly.

[Enchant]

If you were a survivor, why did you previously argue that the game would continue even if you had all of the scum inside you?

What was the rational behind saying that the game would not end?

where

[Pink Ball]

If you were a survivor, why did you previously argue that the game would continue even if you had all of the scum inside you?

What was the rational behind saying that the game would not end?

I was

surviving

I knew PP was scum, I knew I was closer to win if I targeted the remaining scum which I was sure it was Ali so the game would end and it wouldn't matter. I got lucky that everyone was townreading PP, but if for whatever reason town started to speculate that he was scum, I'd get in a bad place the next day if we eliminated the remaining scum during the day; they would speculate that I was lying and that the game hasn't ended because I'm not a survivor

[Wavelength]

If you were a survivor, why did you previously argue that the game would continue even if you had all of the scum inside you?

What was the rational behind saying that the game would not end?

where

I'm on mobile right now, but I can find the posts for you later

[Pink Ball]

So what you're saying is if we elim wolves today the game is over

If PP is scum, yes, it should be!

If PP is scum, yes, it should be!

Got corrected about this: if I got the last scum in my neighbor, they could technically win if I get killed or if I release them

Here Enchant. I claimed that the game would end and then I realized that I could get eliminated the next day if we eliminated scum that day, so I lied. Wave is still bending reality

[Pink Ball]

I had ONE scum inside me at that point and I was pretty sure town was getting eliminated that day so I needed to survive in case everyone started scumreading PP for some reason, but they didn't, so we are here

[Pink Ball]

It was me leaving my options open to not get eliminated that or the next day

[Wavelength]

then I realized that I could get eliminated the next day if we eliminated scum that day

What is the world where we eliminated scum that day, and the game did not end, with you holding PP inside of you and Marashu already dead?

You were hedging against 4 scum or something ? lol

[Pink Ball]

Oh no, I meant town; if we eliminated town that day (which at that moment I was sure it would happen because I thought Ali was the remaining scum) I could get eliminated

[Enchant]

If Pink ball is SK then why mafia wincon so strangely worded to allow them to win 1vs1 against SK?

[Wavelength]

Why would "scum inside me count as dead for the town win con" make you more likely to be killed then "actually, scum inside of me have the potential to win and we have to deal with them at some point"

[Pink Ball]

At that point of the game (D3 after claiming) I was a good elimination alternative from everyone's point of view, I was at E-1 at one moment even. I had to leave my alternatives open for the next day if by any chance I became, once again, the number 1 alternative.

[Pink Ball]

Why would "scum inside me count as dead for the town win con" make you more likely to be killed then "actually, scum inside of me have the potential to win and we have to deal with them at some point"

Because people wanted to eliminate me and I'm a survivor trying to not get eliminated

[Wavelength]

If Pink ball is SK then why mafia wincon so strangely worded to allow them to win 1vs1 against SK?

I have no idea why the mod decided that the scum team's wincon trumps the SK tbh.

[Pink Ball]

It is leaving my alternatives open, giving town less things to speculate. "Maybe PP and Kokichi are scum and Pink Ball is lying". I can see you making that statement on D4

[Wavelength]

Maybe because if it got down to 1:1:1, and the SK ate the town, and the Mafia killed the SK, it would make the mafia lose?

And he wanted to avoid that?

I don't know though, seems like a question for the mod post game.

[Pink Ball]

From my point of view: if we eliminate town and the next day I flip PP and bring 'whoever' to my PT, town has two alternatives that are against my wincon:
1.- Kill me since town is not feeling pressured by the scum team and can get rid of me in case I'm anti town
2.- Speculate that 'whoever' is scum and that I'm lying about winning if I get the remaining scum in my PT

I got rid of the second alternative by claiming that the game would continue if I got scum!whoever in my PT, and didn't target that night to get rid of the first alternative (if I killed Kokichi and brought Ali and Ali wasn't scum (which they weren't), I was ABSOLUTELY getting eliminated the next day)

[Wavelength]

Enchant, just to touch base back on my night actions.

I feel like all of my night actions make more sense if you look at them through the lens of "how can I use this to catch a bad guy."

Instead of thinking of how I could use them to clear either myself or another townie. Because that is how I was using them. And maybe that was bad, but it was how I used it.

I thought that my first cross examination was going to be a guilty on Ircher.
If thought my first court record was going to catch Pinkball lying about his flavor.
I thought my second cross examination could catch pinkball in a lie about his night actions.

Then I thought my last flavor cop and my bunny mask were useless at that point.

I actually think that if I were scum, I would have realized that the bunny mask could be used to try to clear me the first night after we no elimed, and I would have used it then.

[Enchant]

Here's why both the Mafia and Mold win.

As planned, the Mafia and Mold were not able to win with each other. However, the Mafia win condition was inadvertently written to be completed upon control of 50% of the population. As this obviously occurred, the Paranatural Entities win.

However, I consulted fferyllt and T-Bone about this result occurring due to an error in written win conditions. Thus, had the Mafia win condition been written correctly as planned (they would have needed to eliminate all other factions) then the Mold would have won as with NAR resolution and Norwe's 1-shot Bulletproof he would have been able to kill Mastina before Mastina could kill him. Thus in fairness, we decided to rule the Mold as a winner as well.

I sincerely apologize for this improper conclusion but I could not see a way for a fair result otherwise as both the Mafia and the Mold had arguments for their victory.

I also apologize for my mod interference on day 1 when I locked the thread during the fake dayvig shot. I took steps to ensure I would not undertake such mod interference again in the future!

I hope everyone enjoyed this game - I had a lot of fun running it and you all were an awesome group.

Thank you so much for playing!

This is post of SirCakez from game CONTROL.

In this game, Serial Killer had wincon "Be last alive" and mafia had "50% of votes". Due how win cons worked, it means that theorically, SK and Mafia both should win if left 1vs1. BUT! But.


Could SirCakez make same mistake TWICE?

[Enchant]

Damn that's really bastard.

If Pink is SK and Wave is mafia, then mafia wincon allows them both to win. Which techically wrong.
Therefore, wincon denies SK existance.

But if Mod is screwed with wincons... Then i make decision out of wrong knowledge?

[Pink Ball]

Enchant do you want to win or no

[Enchant]

I want.