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[Cephrir]

eh i guess the way ckd worded he could just be outright neg utility

[Cephrir]

not miller i dont think but like ascetic sure

[Andante]

Ceph, what are your thoughts on Hu Tao

[Cephrir]

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[Bub Bidderskins]

miller is not a power role

What they said was:

yeah I am soft claiming....if the definition of a power role is non-vanilla, then yeah, I am a "power role".

So something like a miller isn't against what they said. Though in the case of miller specifically, why not just claim it outright?

Maybe it's just that it's been nearly 10 years since I've played mafia on this site and the meta/theory has developed on this, but I don't see how a weaselly soft-claim justifies jumping on the wagon. At least in my book that's a strong scumtell. But maybe my understanding of this is super outdated.

[Andante]

Bub Bidderskins, what are your thoughts on Hu Tao

[GuyInFreezer]

miller is not a power role

What they said was:

yeah I am soft claiming....if the definition of a power role is non-vanilla, then yeah, I am a "power role".

So something like a miller isn't against what they said. Though in the case of miller specifically, why not just claim it outright?

Maybe it's just that it's been nearly 10 years since I've played mafia on this site and the meta/theory has developed on this, but I don't see how a weaselly soft-claim justifies jumping on the wagon. At least in my book that's a strong scumtell. But maybe my understanding of this is super outdated.

You would be shocked to hear that lamist is also outdated.

[Andante]

GuyInFreezer, what are your thoughts on Hu Tao

[Save The Dragons]

I just want to post so andante asks me my thoughts on hu tao

[Andante]

DRAGONS!!! What are your thoughts on Hu Tao

[Save The Dragons]

I'm willing to vote there

[Andante]

Wooo! I have done it friends! I found our lim! No one TRs Hu Tao,
I think they are coasting scum, their actions this game do not seem to align with someone who is town, and looking at this activity overview, Hu Tao has the 9th most posts, we seriously need to work on this a bit people... like this game has been going for 7 days...

I demand better on d2!

For now, I think Hu Tao is a solid lim, and if anyone wants someone else, speak now.
(I'm leaving the karma dog pr stuff alone, don't want anyone to continue guessing what the pr is, just wait for karma dog to return d2)

[Cephrir]

no one TRs skygazer either :3

[Bub Bidderskins]

Bub Bidderskins, what are your thoughts on Hu Tao

I mentioned this earlier, but they've slid into a slight scum read for me based on how they slid out of view as soon as they weren't under any kind of pressure. Obviously I think CKD and ballpoint are scummier, but I definitely prefer a Hu elimination over Stargazer. The way the Stargazer wagon came together was way too easy and lazy which made me uncomfortable. Seemed like some folks were goin "welp, gotta lim someone, how about the lurker?"

[Cephrir]

in fairness the meta has chnaged while you've been gone in such a way that lurkers are more frequently scum than they used to be

[Bub Bidderskins]

in fairness the meta has chnaged while you've been gone in such a way that lurkers are more frequently scum than they used to be

If that's true I guess that makes a Stargazer wagon more palatable to me. Though I still prefer Hu because I feel like the pattern of their play is scummier than just lurking throughout, which is what Stargazer has done.

[Cephrir]

i dont know if it applies to stargazer necessarily since they also have been away in the interim but like, players who have been in this meta going after lurkers isn't weird imo

[Kowahbunga]

Honestly, the game should head more towards holding the least contributing person's toe to the fire. The more scum talk, the more caught they get imo

[Flavor Leaf]

@Glitch - What claim wouldn’t be reasonably acceptable to you?

I imagine a D1 hard claim doctor would be a horrible idea for town to put forward and a massive blunder for scum after that person doesn't get killed the immediate night after

This is only dangerous/blunder by scum if a strong PR claims.

Otherwise doctor shooting in the dark and it opens up no kill gambits.

But I don’t tend to care about claims early in the game, so I guess this is kind of acceptable to me.

I don’t love the answer, though, but i like the choice that was made for potential readings.

[Flavor Leaf]

Eh, I wouldn’t be opposed to going after Glitch.

[Flavor Leaf]

Somethings not sitting right. I had them lean townie the other day, but that and the Andante thing from earlier has been the two things that pinged me the most.

Glitch feels like a possible white knighting, and Andante had the fake chest puff

[Bub Bidderskins]

Honestly, the game should head more towards holding the least contributing person's toe to the fire. The more scum talk, the more caught they get imo

Yeah, I see the point. At the very least lurking is anti-town, so pressuring lurkers to contribute can help the town even if the lurker is town.

I still think that Hu is scummier than Stargazer because I think their lurking reads as more strategic.

[Flavor Leaf]

I liked Hu Tao’s posts before Andante push, so don’t really like that Andante went there, especially considering I’m suspicious of Andante and Glitch individually, and it looks a little like a chainsaw, which goes perfectly in line with the chest puffing Andante.

BPP is a bit on my lower as well.

I like GIF, and lean towning them. I like Cephir, but not fully town reading them.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Skygazer

i like this cfd and it doesn't look like many people are actually going to move off of karmadog despite it being the objectively right play, so action must be taken

i imagine glitch is just not constantly reading the thread but his last posts have been consistent even if the reasoning is kind of bad, which i've just accepted as his normal (no offense)
also if we're thinking a little more in-depth it seems weirder to go back to your RVS vote as scum when we are days away from eod and the wagon isn't happening but it seems like glitch is just pursuing what he sees as right. trapped in his little bubble mindset, if you know what i mean

Something about this post does not sit right. It happened right after Hu Tao was bringing up valid reasons about strange feelings with Glitch, which I am semi mind melding with.

[Flavor Leaf]

Glitch, BP, Andante I feel have some scum.

Not feeling Hu or Skygazer wagons.