Mini Normal 2294: Monkey Business (Endgame)

[Comus]

The cat follows the frog, down to the river of death. Klickety klack klickety klack, the visitor comes along, comes along. Compelled, enthralled, the visitor comes along.

Oh Lord Kame, oh Lord Kame, the frog doth cry, will you save us Oh Lord Kame, with a sweet little lie?

[Menalque]

Mena why are you townreading me

I think I asked yesterday but you didn't respond (tbf you were probably just busy at the time)

I saw that but yeah, had a v busy weekend and didn’t get a chance to sit down before it was night

And I just felt like when we were talking yesterday like you were actually trying to solve? + mechanically I now think you’re pretty much confirmed town as again, I can’t see this passing review if you’re not

The mechanical stuff I get but I'm talking about like pre massclaim?

I guess what I'm trying to get at is, what changed from "ausuka looks town but I am paranoid because she is good at scum" -> "ausuka is definitely town" because your reasoning here kind of felt like the same stuff you were saying before, if that makes sense?

I need to go to the shops before they close, if I have energy I’ll try to look later but essentially just hit the point threshold where I was willing to take the plunge on trusting you

I don’t think there was a specific post or whatever, but I was feeling generally lost and I feel like I very rarely do well as town unless I have a functional team to talk with and bounce ideas off. You and klick both basically triggered the “well, this is as good as I’m gonna feel about anyone” button in my head around the same time and I started working off that

[Ausuka]

Ok well uh I guess I can't really argue with that shrug

I'd like to talk to you more at some point, but it can wait for when you're feeling better

[Menalque]

@ausuka i just looked back and yeah, it was just your general posting 90-92, felt like it was showing a clear actual thinking about the game and what was going on

[Enchant]

I think i still don't believe you.

Why don't you believe me?

Because you claimed no modifier, then 2-shot but if you reallly believed you are not modified role there's no reason for you to skip actions.

[Klick]

VOTE: Comus
Who knows, maybe I'm wrong on him

[Comus]

Corner the cat, string him along.

But how, oh visionary, oh prophet of ours?

With food, with water or song?

No dear Klicker, no beloved wanderer compelled

With smiles, with smiles we string the cat along.

Here and there, over the 'ntain tops and through valleys deep

But which of us will on Lord Kame turn?

Which of us will pay the price so steep?

And when all is lit and burnt

Can this cat to our rescue come?

[Klick]

Don't play in further games with me.

[Klick]

UNVOTE:

[Ausuka]

I am still waiting to see the game gimli linked, personally.

I think players without much scum experience can still be good at it, but if there's past examples of him not being good at scum and unable to replicate this I am kind of more inclined to believe it.

I also think the interaction with him earlier about the combined modifier made him more town because it felt like being confidently wrong is just kind of his thing, even outside the context of accusing people in the game, if that makes sense

[Comus]

VOTE: Comus
Who knows, maybe I'm wrong on him

Kilckety klack, klickety klack the wanderer doth protest

And so with a final breath attacks the god of excess

But Oh I grin and I growl

I howl with my breath so foul

For by no wanderer compelled can I be felled

By no foolish hopes or measly binding ropes

Can I be held

The truth has an ugly face, so have I

And to scratch the one is to draw the others' eye

[Comus]

Don't play in further games with me.

UNVOTE:

Klickety Klack Klickety Klack, not today the wanderer says

And scorns the god of excess

So be it

So be it

All things have their end

And not all beings can be called friend

[Klick]

I don't think Kawaii being town here is unreasonable.

[Klick]

I don't think this is the approach Kawaii!scum takes to claiming.

If they're scum, their partners have offered basically zero support in this position. So like, geraintm and... I can't really imagine who else as scum would produce this result.

[Skygazer]

my thought was kawaii just oopsied and didnt check the scum thread until after posting

[Klick]

Unless they're scum who just... didn't check the scum PT at all until after confirming their claim? And then claimed 2-shot afterwards off some advice?

That doesn't feel right.

[Comus]

my thought was kawaii just oopsied and didnt check the scum thread until after posting

Yup.

[Klick]

Claiming straight Hider is just such a bad way to play the position as scum though
Changing the claim immediately after is even worse
And there's an amount of confidence required to do it in the way Kawaii did that implies Kawaii wouldn't be that poor of a scum player

[Skygazer]

ive seen really good scum players do much stupider things

one time i modded a game where flavor leaf posted an entire scum game plan into a PT with his town neighbor

sometimes brains just stop working

[Ausuka]

I don't think it's a particularly awful way to do it? Staggering through the claim implies a level of confusion that town kawaii would need to have

[Ausuka]

I just don't think there is much of a way out of your claim getting cc'd most of the time

[Menalque]

ive seen really good scum players do much stupider things

one time i modded a game where flavor leaf posted an entire scum game plan into a PT with his town neighbor

sometimes brains just stop working

In fairness, that was incredibly funny

My first ever large theme!

[Menalque]

My take: not impossible that kawaii is town who fucked up hard, but we would deserve to lose if we didn’t lim someone who fucked up their claim that hard (NB: given that we assume sky town for balance reasons)

[KawaiiKame]

If you all want to eliminate me because of my screw up that's fine, but you need to be certain of who to eliminate in EL0 D4 since voting me puts town in a precarious position

[KawaiiKame]

Today should be dedicated to finding scum then eliminating me at the end of the day