Newbie 2117 | Postgame

[Black]

Python, there's something off about you this game but I just can't figure out what it is yet. Maybe it's just a matter of who is fronting. Either way it's not really enough for me to SR you and I can't really do anything about it until I figure out what is giving me this feeling

[usesPython]

We're over 75% of the way through D1 and I feel like basically nothing has happened, honestly I read that statement more as town because it's exploring ideas - it's not a post that Scum!Black -needs- to make at this point, and if it were Scum!Black trying to dissuade the Brian wagon, I get the sense that there would be something equally nuanced but more powerful behind it.

Yeah that was about my reasoning, especially because it's a tinfoil read on me instead of someone actually limmable

[Black]

(also if that's not a townslip then Black's really gonna be a pain to sort, ugh)

Nah, I think people are doing a good job at sorting me for once. I seem to be widely TR and even though that happens when I'm wolf, y'all are actually right this time lol

[KawaiiKame]

Python, there's something off about you this game but I just can't figure out what it is yet. Maybe it's just a matter of who is fronting. Either way it's not really enough for me to SR you and I can't really do anything about it until I figure out what is giving me this feeling

Black I have the same feeling about Python as you
Python feels...evasive/elusive? I'm used to Python solving, theorizing, breaking the game down mechanically into deductive possibilities, in this Python feels internally focused vs. externally focused, it's most likely this comes down to fronting tho

I liked what Python said in this,

Town's 1 job is to find scum, not to avoid getting scumread. I disagree with the base premise from which you're deriving this townread.

Disagree. Town wins by consistently limming every member of the mafia, which is a two part process:

1. Limming scum
   
2. Not limming town

In other words town has two paths to victory:

1. Correctly identify scum and lim them
   
2. Correctly identify town and lim everyone but them

In this setup that can be done through the entire town either identifying a correct 5-person townbloc with no scum or a correct 4-person scumbloc containing every scum, either way not getting unnecessarily scumread as town helps with that because being in the townbloc and not being in the scumbloc reduces the amount of people others need to sort correctly by one (since you know you're town).

[Black]

I'm used to Python solving, theorizing, breaking the game down mechanically into deductive possibilities, in this Python feels internally focused vs. externally focused

I agree with you here but where are you drawing your past experiences with python from? Have y'all played together?

[usesPython]

I agree with you here but where are you drawing your past experiences with python from? Have y'all played together?

Ongoing game, I'll get back to you when it's done

[Black]

Ongoing game, I'll get back to you when it's done

I see. And really it's Kawaii that should get back to me here. I don't really need to hear your own meta case on yourself

[Andante]

blue posting recently, I forgot blue was here, that slot is very likely scum I think. Blue + Brian.

can I hammer brian or are we still waiting on someone for something?

[BlueSnakelet]

blue posting recently, I forgot blue was here, that slot is very likely scum I think. Blue + Brian.

can I hammer brian or are we still waiting on someone for something?

Why am I scum?

[Deltabreedy]

I'd be keen on you justifying your view on Blue first, and on clearly declaring intent to hammer so that Brian has a chance to claim.

Beyond that I've no issues.

[Andante]

nah I'm good,
lets do this

VOTE: Brian

there's been plenty of options to claim already

[Deltabreedy]

That's an awful hammer

[Deltabreedy]

Andante is either limbait or scum and either way I think it's a good idea to remove them from the game in D2 before any chance of getting close to a Lim or Lose situation.

[Andante]

brian has been e-1 for DAYS.. no one has been opposed to a brian lim, so why would I not hammer

[furtiveglance]

1.07

Votecount 1.07 (Final)

Brian Skies (5):

usesPython, Deltabreedy, Black, BlueSnakelet, Andante.

[HAMMER]

KawaiiKame (1):

chaodck.

Andante (1):

Brian Skies.

usesPython (1):

KawaiiKame.

Black (1):

Malakittens.

Not Voting (0):

With 9 players alive, it took 5 votes to eliminate.

Day 1 is over.

Brian Skies has been eliminated, and was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Town.

Spoiler: Role PM

Vanilla Townie

Welcome to the game, Brian Skies!

You are a

Vanilla Townie

.

You have no special abilities.

You win when there are no longer any threats to town.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Night 1 starts now and ends in (expired on 2023-03-30 06:16:00). Send me any night actions.

[furtiveglance]

Sorry for being a bad mod, I'll get to daystart in a few hours.

[furtiveglance]

usesPython died last night. They were

Vanilla Town

.

Not Voting (7):

chaodck, BlueSnakelet, Deltabreedy, Black, KawaiiKame, Andante, Malakittens.

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: (expired on 2023-04-06 15:21:08)

[Black]

Andante is either limbait or scum and either way I think it's a good idea to remove them from the game in D2 before any chance of getting close to a Lim or Lose situation.

This seems like a scum slip to me. Brian was Delta's biggest SR but this post reads like he knew Brian was going to flip town

Also Delta you never answered my questions about your reads list. Let me find them

[Black]

@Delta

@Delta I'm curious why you TR python and Andante. In python's case you originally said you were unsure about them because you agree with everything they say. That seems like a weird read to me

In Andante's case it seems like you have had several issues with her posts and there have been multiple things you've pointed out that you don't like, but I'm not seeing any TRs, so why is she so high up on your list?

[Black]

The python kill was probably because they were the most TR player in the game. Looking back over their posts they were pretty suspect of chao and Andante fwiw

I think one of {Delta; Andante} is scum but I doubt it's both of them

Blue is my highest TR but I've been known to highly TR scum before (see Hollowed Knight)

We're going to have to lock in today

[Deltabreedy]

VOTE: Andante

Andante is either limbait or scum and either way I think it's a good idea to remove them from the game in D2 before any chance of getting close to a Lim or Lose situation.

This seems like a scum slip to me. Brian was Delta's biggest SR but this post reads like he knew Brian was going to flip town

Also Delta you never answered my questions about your reads list. Let me find them

I said that there should be a delay for a claim after someone declares intent. Now that we know the claim would have been VT, I doubt it would have changed the actual lim of the day but Andante was one of Brian's highest reads and it makes sense for Scum!Dante to take the golden opportunity to get the lim across before anything. It doesn't make sense for Town!Dante to not wait, given how much time we had remaining.

I didn't have time to process it and I did have another post lined up before threadlock, but for me the big issue is that if we leave Andante now and they're town, they're unlikely to be in receipt of an NK, because (whilst I can't speak for the rest of town) I would likely as it stands vote for her in the case of a three-way. I think that the hammer was a bit too convenient for Andante's future survival in the game, removing someone who SR'd her from the game.

WIFOM Alert:

That said, the fact that UP was NK'd throws a bit of a spanner in the Scum!Andante theory, because the NK may well have been chosen in order to further accentuate this 'SRs on Andante die' narrative, and so whilst I scumread Andante and I am voting for her, I think there's a chance that she's been set up. That said, because of the implications of not following my gut on this, I'm going to vote to take them off the board in D2.

I agree as well with Black's assertion that UP's NK could possibly be because they were the most TR player, I'll have to quickly have a skim through but I think that UP was an optimal kill for scum last night. I don't like that Black didn't consider the above, however.

[Black]

VOTE: Delta

I'm hoping you can answer my question above, and while you're at it I think you should elaborate on this list like you said you would

Bear with - I've started my first day at work (that jobberino I got last game with you ey) so will be a few hours before I can get a comprehensive list to you with justifications and the like.

Short-term:

Town

Me
Black (Dangerous!)
Python
Kawaii
Andante
Everyone else
Brian

Scum

[Deltabreedy]

Bear with I'm on mobile

[Deltabreedy]

At the time I think the game developed really quickly before I could -settle- into justifying the readslist.

I'm struggling to recall why I settled on my pre-hammer Andante read. I think that it's partially succumbing to a bit of AtE in hindsight which I let throughy guard.

Kawaii felt eager to solve, as did yourself and Python. I'm cautious of agreeing with damn near everything someone says after the other newbie we shared tbh Black - which is where my comment on Python came.

I think your vote is misplaced and you feel a little too eager to vote for me for what I feel are not very well fleshed-put reasons. I need to re-read the game before I really look deeper into that read.

Mala etc I didn't get much that was solid on tbh even by hammertime - I'd hope we get more, especially from Mala in D2.

Chao I don't feel overwhelming vibes from either side. My vibe is that I think there's a bit too much credit being given? Idk, again this is subject to a reread.

Blue is another I'm on the fence about. I don't recall many interactions between Andante and them, which as a kneejerk feels off - but doesn't sway me into looking at them to a greater extent than Andante until a reread.

Ninja'd by myself: Nice

[Deltabreedy]

Yeah nah the fact that Andante refused to elaborate upon the read they shared on Blue pre-hammer as well.

I think they need to go tbh - I don't trust them going further into the game than D2, it's either scum or an easy mislim, I lean scum on this but either way I think we need to do this.