In post 740, Aureal wrote: Enchant reaction test: completed
I think Enchant just might know Vander's alignment. Uninformed Enchant seems most likely to stick with that vote rather than promptly unvote.
VOTE: Enchant
Can you explain this?
What was the reaction test?
I'll probably address some other stuff later.
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Sorry for that quote fail:
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In post 751, Vanderscamp wrote: Sorry for that quote fail:
Can you explain that?
What was the reaction test?
Of the three teams I consider possible solves, Enchant/Vander was looking the least likely due to Enchant promptly voting you here. Scum lose if just one of them gets caught either by us or by Aisa if we fail, so they're not going to want to help town vote their own out. So Enchant shouldn't vote his partner here.
Except they don't want to get caught by Aisa either so voting a partner to start as distancing then finding some way to move on to someone else seems plausible, especially since it's Enchant so reasoning is not really expected. So I voted too to see if he would move his vote off, and he did.
Now, he could also be skittish about being that cavalierly on a town elimination. But what I don't find likely is that he doesn't know your alignment, put a vote out as his best guess, then decided to go back on it just because e-1 (a measly one more vote!). Particularly given his followup in 743, which makes zero sense if he's concerned about e-1!-
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Ok, but you voted me to put me at E-1.In post 754, Aureal wrote:In post 751, Vanderscamp wrote: Sorry for that quote fail:
Can you explain that?
What was the reaction test?
Of the three teams I consider possible solves, Enchant/Vander was looking the least likely due to Enchant promptly voting you here. Scum lose if just one of them gets caught either by us or by Aisa if we fail, so they're not going to want to help town vote their own out. So Enchant shouldn't vote his partner here.
Except they don't want to get caught by Aisa either so voting a partner to start as distancing then finding some way to move on to someone else seems plausible, especially since it's Enchant so reasoning is not really expected. So I voted too to see if he would move his vote off, and he did.
Now, he could also be skittish about being that cavalierly on a town elimination. But what I don't find likely is that he doesn't know your alignment, put a vote out as his best guess, then decided to go back on it just because e-1 (a measly one more vote!). Particularly given his followup in 743, which makes zero sense if he's concerned about e-1!
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Then either I was right and victory is attained or Aisa would get to try to sort it out again with what we've done, and I think we're in a pretty good spot for her to do so. Not much reason to think a quick hammer would come though; Bella hasn't really been after you so a lolhammer would be mega sus and Ranger said she was going to review stuff in 24 hours so I trust that her suddenly dropping a hammer beforehand was not going to happen.-
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You know i noticed Aureal just parrots what already stated and it's kinda annoyingWizard-Mercenary
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Enchant, reads?-
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VOTE: Aureal
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I mean if Aureal flips town, well i lose cuz Aisa sends me but she unlikely to flip town so whatever.
If Aureal flips mafia we win.
When i flip, we still win because Aureal is mafia.
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Also, explain that last point?In post 760, Vanderscamp wrote: Enchant, reads?-
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Right now the only person I won't consider voting is vander, which is so not where I was yesterday. I can't work out whether scum are playing really well or really badly.-
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My top vote is probably Ranger, it's hard to want to have a list of two kills that doesn't include Ranger.-
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Hell i know. Aureal is part of it 100% so 1vs1 here is always win i think.In post 765, Vanderscamp wrote: What's your team of two, Enchant?Wizard-Mercenary
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I'm at the stage where I'm convinced you're not scum with Aureal, but I don't see how you could possibly both be town. (The game would be an absolute travesty of a mess if the scum were Bella/Enchant watching the three loudest town players be absolutelyIn post 734, Vanderscamp wrote:To both Enchant and Aureal, what do you think my team is?convincedthe others are scum. I don't subscribe to that theory.)
That leaves four teams from my perspective:
{Vanderscamp, Enchant}
{Vanderscamp, Bella}
{Aureal, Enchant}
{Aureal, Bella}
I need to take a look at those teams, ideally tonight. (Am multitasking.)AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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Looking at just page 30, I do lean towards the most likely two combos of the four being,
{Vanderscamp, Enchant}
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{Aureal, Bellaphant}
Enchant vs Aureal makes it unlikely both are scum given one scum elimination wins the town the game. It'spossible(gambiting on neither being eliminated), but unlikely.
Since {Vanderscamp, Aureal} is never a team (same as above only much stronger), by PoE, the only team with Aureal would be Bellaphant, and 738 supports this as possible.
Inversely, while Enchant did vote Vanderscamp, the unvote and discussion on page 30 fit as a scumbuddy laying the groundwork to leave anti-buddy interactions which don't endanger either party.
Enchant/Areal are seriously pushing each other.
Vanderscamp/Areal are seriously pushing each other.
Enchant/Vanderscamp appear to be doing the opposite.
However, again; just page 30. I need a deep dive of the other 30 pages to get a better read.AKA, rBree2. Casual tryhard. I've Quite the RANGE. #pluralgangGame History"Interestingly though, town winrate in Blitzes has been really high."- RadiantCowbells |"Ranger's been town in most of them."- Plotinus
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In post 746, Aureal wrote: Bella, what do you think Enchant's motivation here is?
You're the one most familiar with Enchant, your input would be appreciated here!-
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I'm going to just go ahead and throw out my partially-done interaction read of AV's ISO which I had stopped after coming to 239 and deciding Ranger/AV wasn't a possible team and AV was likely town. I guess that was premature so I'll get back into doing the rest soon.
Arko/Drew: agrees Arko at top of pile (22); sus of Arko's 'panic' unvote and that Arko is also e-2 (152); argues against use of "technically" (181)
Blood/Aureal: agrees with doing scum+townhunting (95); slight townlean (97); agrees with posts (98)
Oclaxian/Enchant: vote w/o reason (95); agrees over "technically" (103); unvotes (109)
Aisa: unsure how to feel about Aisa/Vander silliness (210); asks for town/scumhunt preference (211); disarming and he wants to read as town (239)
Ranger: asks Bella if Ranger's contribution is better than Arko's (27); asks for opinion about Arko's e-2 backpedal (209)
Bella: responds on Arko-read (27); presses after Ranger misunderstands the Arko e-2 question (239)
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Sorry for trying to brainstorm in your mafia game. If you think my thoughts don't make sense, explaining why would've been more productive than going OMG YOU SO SCUMMY!!In post 712, Vanderscamp wrote: Ranger's first half of #676 and last part of #677 are pretty good explanations of why Aureal's stuff made no sense.
He? Who are you talking about here, me?He was giving a lot of credence to the Arco/Ox interaction as never being scum/scum, but not the Ranger/me interaction, when that interaction should have been far more obvious, and additionally I was the main person (correctly) advocating that Arco/Ox wasn't scum/scum, and he was putting me as the third member of that scum team.
It means exactly what it means. You spent all that time wanting to vote Ranger. Then after I said I was getting ready to do so as well, you jumped on me instead, apparently leading Drew to follow you because the other votes were on himself. If you'd stayed on Ranger I would've been a third vote there, and Enchant being Enchant would likely have hammered. You left me with the only option being to vote Drew out instead. I kept my vote out of play so long because there was no reason to risk the day ending quickly- I know Enchant likes hammers. AV was away, Ranger was sick, game activity was low in general, and I was trying to think and read things- that's not the time to rush a vote.In post 713, Vanderscamp wrote: Drew and I are open wolfing huh
Wtf do you mean "we could have voted Ranger here?"
You spent the entire day having the opportunity to vote Ranger and declined to do so, despite saying at the start of the day that my logic about Aisa or I getting voted to heaven was pointless because getting a non-Ranger mislim today was such an unlikely event.
In post 714, Vanderscamp wrote:
Also, this post is complete nonsense.In post 690, Aureal wrote: Maybe it's confirmation bias but it's really hard to see these actions as something other than trying to get Drew limmed instead of Ranger because I spotted more opportunities to clear people based off of Ranger's flip. I've had the opportunity to hammer Drew for a while now but would have preferred Ranger for that reason. But with deadline 9 hours away, no word from Bella yet, and AV still vla I guess it's on me to do so soon here, before I go to bed. I'm the most confident that he's scum here anyway.
Wtf are you talking about with it being hard to see what I'm doing as anything other than trying to get Drew limmed?
This would maybe be believable if I had said at ANY POINT yesterday that Drew was scummy.
I never put any pressure on him at all and I think limming him in that spot over you or Ranger was absurd.
Can you quote anything that involves me "trying to get Drew limmed" to justify what you're saying here?
Your actions speak louder than your words. Ranger was the likely wagon for most of the day, and was still viable even though Drew went e-1 as I explain in the above response. But then you decided to vote me at the end instead.-
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TryIn post 767, Enchant wrote:
Hell i know. Aureal is part of it 100% so 1vs1 here is always win i think.In post 765, Vanderscamp wrote: What's your team of two, Enchant?-
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Is there a particular reason why Bella/Enchant isn't a world, other than that we would all suck?In post 768, Ranger wrote:
I'm at the stage where I'm convinced you're not scum with Aureal, but I don't see how you could possibly both be town. (The game would be an absolute travesty of a mess if the scum were Bella/Enchant watching the three loudest town players be absolutelyIn post 734, Vanderscamp wrote:To both Enchant and Aureal, what do you think my team is?convincedthe others are scum. I don't subscribe to that theory.)
That leaves four teams from my perspective:
{Vanderscamp, Enchant}
{Vanderscamp, Bella}
{Aureal, Enchant}
{Aureal, Bella}
I need to take a look at those teams, ideally tonight. (Am multitasking.)
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