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[Abnegation]

Still tempted to claim so that I can get info on how to even use my role effectively. I probably shouldn't so that I can be one of the less critical roles to eat a night kill but. I can just try to be town to eat a night kill instead soooo actually let me just claim.

I am a manifestation of Confirmation. I have the option to target a player each night to check if my action was successful.

I have no idea how this is even useful, and not even sure what the role is even called normally if it is an actual defined role in the wiki. Closest I could find was Visitor, but none of the modifiers function in a way to make it work like that.

this is called a checker. it’s only useful in niche situations and won’t be the reason you eat bullets.

[Rautherdir]

Ack, wish I'd known what it would have been called earlier. And this somehow counts as an investigative role. Which I guess it does reveal something, just... wow.
I guess I should still activate it on nights to get even that little bit of information, and I guess there are a few claims I would be able to check more safely then other investigatives based on the wiki.

This suggests there are role blocking abilities and/or modifiers though, so... there's that.

[Rautherdir]

Well, or abilities that can track actions taken or such, but I'm not compulsive so I'm not here to confuse those I don't think.

[IceDragon70]

Still tempted to claim so that I can get info on how to even use my role effectively. I probably shouldn't so that I can be one of the less critical roles to eat a night kill but. I can just try to be town to eat a night kill instead soooo actually let me just claim.

I am a manifestation of Confirmation. I have the option to target a player each night to check if my action was successful.

I have no idea how this is even useful, and not even sure what the role is even called normally if it is an actual defined role in the wiki. Closest I could find was Visitor, but none of the modifiers function in a way to make it work like that.

It's called a Checker on the wiki. If this was a non-bastard, Normal game, your role would basically confirm the existence of roleblock. But we're explicitly told of the possibility of misdirection. HOWEVER, I would like to speculate (and this is just that - speculation, based solely on flavor and my own understanding of what I consider fun) that Benediction is not going to have a factional nightkill, but rather a factional roleblock (please gimmie some postgame credit if I end up being right).
In fact I had speculated that before you even claimed, but didn't say anything because there was no reason to believe that it is the case.

Also I think by claiming your role you basically made it useless since now you won't be roleblocked. Oh well.

[Abnegation]

there could be modifiers like ascetic though.

[IceDragon70]

Guys we've had a fuckton of mechanical discussion but barely any scumhunting.
I'm gonna VOTE: ActionDan because I like their ISO the least.

[IceDragon70]

there could be modifiers like ascetic though.

Ehh... I guess that's true. So their role could technically check for ascetics and Rolestop targets.

[Rautherdir]

Maybe a rolestopper or ascetic I could still see, but... yeah. I mean I had no idea how to use my ability effectively anyways so uh... it was either claim to figure out how to even use my role or try and figure it out myself.

Well, the least I can do at this point is try and be helpful enough to town that I get shot for that reason.

[Rautherdir]

And hey, I might still get roleblocked if someone wants to fake an ascetic claim.

[IceDragon70]

Sounds like a plan!
Rautherdir, who's the scummiest in your eyes? And why?
And who's the towniest in your eyes and why?

[Abnegation]

Also if it wasn't clear, I am blatantly refusing to cast a vote. Sue me!

I also suspect that Enchant's greenscum claim makes them have >rand chance of being redscum, so I'm going to FoS: Enchant .

Why?

And, why did you need to remark that you

refused

to cast a RVS vote? You're clearly not adverse to throwing votes around

I'm refusing to make a nonsensical vote on a nonposter. I am not adverse to trying to get the game out of RVS, even if it includes a semi-random vote.

Right, but that's not what I'm asking. I'm actually asking why you needed to say that, you could very well just not partake in RVS voting and I don't think anyone would have pestered you for that

Considering I have seen many a player scumreading people for lack of votes on page 1, I disagree.

this has the town vibes. if you’re scum and you know people scumread the lack of an rvs vote, you probably just cast one.

[Rautherdir]

I mean towniest is going to have to be Hell Froze Over cause uh, IC.
Second towniest (And more usefully) would be Abnegation cause I don't see that being a fakeclaim that scum would do.

Scummiest at this point I'd say is probably furtiveglance, they haven't really contributed much at all while still being present.
(Yes my vote is on Enchant but I don't really see them as more then a soft scum lean right now.)

[Rautherdir]

Also casting shade on an IC. Yes mod misdirection is possible, that doesn't allow outright lying I believe. Misdirection would be more like... well, saying Benediction is an informed minority but not mentioning if they are threats to Invocation, in the situation where Benediction is able to win with Invocation.

[Rautherdir]

(Please correct me if I'm wrong if misdirection allows outright false information by the mod, cause that would be very important information to know.)

[Abnegation]

i mean, the result you get if you check me is technically “outright false information.”

[Abnegation]

@mod, does “mod misdirection” mean the same thing as “mod lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated”?

[Abnegation]

Also casting shade on an IC. Yes mod misdirection is possible, that doesn't allow outright lying I believe. Misdirection would be more like... well, saying Benediction is an informed minority but not mentioning if they are threats to Invocation, in the situation where Benediction is able to win with Invocation.

i interpreted 33 as a joke.

[Rautherdir]

Oh wait you're right, miller does create outright false information. I'm going to hope that it's limited to misdirection or roles like Miller or Godfather then.

[The Keeper]

You raise it simply to say to leave it?

Pretty much. With a claim like this, I expect corroborating evidence to turn up sooner or later - such as the presence of a cop who can get those reads as results.

The point of the claim is that no such waste of power occurs, if you're Marked you lose a lot of damage when you miss.

The solution here is simply that the person must be shown a game over screen, probably before we get the choice of Sheol or Cathedral...

[Rautherdir]

Also casting shade on an IC. Yes mod misdirection is possible, that doesn't allow outright lying I believe. Misdirection would be more like... well, saying Benediction is an informed minority but not mentioning if they are threats to Invocation, in the situation where Benediction is able to win with Invocation.

i interpreted 33 as a joke.

I mean probably, though my original point about them still stands.

[The Keeper]

Also you're all sat here asking the moderator questions when its clear all the answers are simply TMTRAINER.

We have the information we are going to receive. Now it is down to us what we do with it.

[IceDragon70]

Scummiest at this point I'd say is probably furtiveglance, they haven't really contributed much at all while still being present.

I agree that they have contributed very little, but I believe it is typical of their early-game play.
What do you think of ActionDan's ISO? To me it looks like a bunch of nothing trying to look like something.

[Rautherdir]

You raise it simply to say to leave it?

Pretty much. With a claim like this, I expect corroborating evidence to turn up sooner or later - such as the presence of a cop who can get those reads as results.

The point of the claim is that no such waste of power occurs, if you're Marked you lose a lot of damage when you miss.

The solution here is simply that the person must be shown a game over screen, probably before we get the choice of Sheol or Cathedral...

Unlike most Millers we can actually check this one if we have a role that either shows a players alignment outright, or a Benediction/Not Benediction, or Malediction/Not Malediction result.
Showing a player's role outright would require two checks, Benediction/Not Benediction or the counterpart would just need to check on the night where it should get a Not Benediction or Not Malediction result.

[IceDragon70]

Also casting shade on an IC. Yes mod misdirection is possible, that doesn't allow outright lying I believe. Misdirection would be more like... well, saying Benediction is an informed minority but not mentioning if they are threats to Invocation, in the situation where Benediction is able to win with Invocation.

i interpreted 33 as a joke.

Same here.

[Rautherdir]

Whether or not we check them depends on how useful to town in their posts they are, the more useful to town they are the more likely we should just check them and make them confirmed.