I find it highly unlikely that xyzzy plays day 1 the way that they did if partnered with Hebi
In post 877, Wavelength wrote:
He opened up the day in a way that left LLD with a "xyzzy is never scum with Hebi." I agreed with these posts, and I think Rogue(?) did too (not sure on that, and not taking the time to check)
In post 210, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
In your mind is he scum profiterring off of hebi being town and a wagon or is he scum attaching himself to a wagon as part of a bus to ensure he's not left out?
I’ll ask a better question - is he town?
If Hebi's scum they are.
In post 253, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
like to iterate, if Hebi's scum Xyzzy doesn't have the 3 posts they have this game. Simple as that. They enter and approach differently.
And I don't think that a scum partner who successfully managed to position themselves into a "very likely not partnered with my partner who is currently at e-1 and has claimed not town" read for multiple players proceeds to tear down that positioning by making this argument, instead of just hoping to ride out the town cred on their partner flip (while quietly hoping that the town on the wagon work their own way off)
I will not go into a long explanation of why this is always, always, always, always the correct move. A brief summary:
- The moderator has not confirmed the existence of a non-hostile, non-town faction. There's no evidence it exists. There's a known non-town faction - it's Mafia. Occam's Razor.
- Fferyllt likes fairly vanilla roles. For instance their design document for Tarot Mafia, despite having an incredibly complicated picking procedure, has mostly "modified vanilla" roles: viewtopic.php?p=12857475#p12857475
- It's a mini normal, 13 players doesn't give much room for a non-town, non-hostile faction.
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It's day 1, we're guaranteed not to eliminate town by doing this
The last one should be the only one that matters.
eliminating hebichan here as policy doesn't give us useful info for day 2. if we later have reason to believe hebichan is lying scum, we can circle back around to that. if we eliminate town on day 1, that's obviously bad, but it gives us a wealth of information that eliminating a claimed survivor does not. the drawback of going into day 2 with less to work with is far greater than the "at least we didn't lose a town player" moral victory, especially because it doesn't stop us from getting closer to a scum win.
I think I would have to actively decided that xyzzy does not understand how to play scum to conclude that he makes this post, in this position, as scum.
In post 878, Wavelength wrote:
Like 581 did not work to stop Hebi's elim, it was never going to work to stop Hebi's elim, and actually all it did was give a reason for people to point and say "Look over there! xyzzy tried to save scum Hebi"
And I feel like xyzzy partnered with Hebi realizes this.
So that leads me to conclude this was his actual process of trying to work through a survivor claim.
In post 859, Wavelength wrote:
Basically, Porken's big post 280, and its reads list, look like scum positioning around hebi's flip.
Every single one of his red colored reads is dependent on Hebi being scum, and how that person could be partnered with a scum Hebi.
Which is a bad way to scum hunt in general, but if you are hunting based on preflipping your top scum read, then it does not make any sense to be open to eliminating any of the potential partners before hebi, but his post ends with
"I could vote for any of the bottom 6 right now."
While porkens was simultaneously tying people to a scum!Hebi flip, while also toeing with the idea of leaving if another wagon, on one of 5 other players, popped up
In post 951, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
yeah but do you think there's only one faction with 0 kills mechanic in it?
No.
I think that there is a member of the black ops who is { [Flavor name], leader of the black ops] - who is the only player whose role states that they choose the kills, but when they die, the other black ops inherit the ability to direct the kill.
I have seen a game where there was something similar once before, where only one member could direct the kill so long as they were alive.
And that is where my head went when seeing a scum faction with a member whose role does not state that it can kill, but does state that it can inherit an ability from another member.
Actually, strike that. I was curious if the game that I was thinking of was actually a ffery game, and when I looked back through her games, turns out she does not always put the night kill on scum role PMs.
None of the scum flips in this game included the fact that they even had a night kill
In post 939, Aureal wrote:
OK, good to know that nobody is supposed to try to figure out how much you can be trusted.
You spent a lot of time in the last few pages discussing whether LLD deserved to be in the "town" or the "lean town" tier. Like that was the question, directed at my reads list, that started off the discussion. Focusing on the minutia of strength of a town read does look like you are more focused on just being part of active discussions then trying to find scum.
You have not even been arguing that LLD is scum for doing it, so I am also not sure why you are so focused on it.
Yes, yes I
am
trying to get some active discussion going! We weren't really having any! There's more people left alive in this game than any other game I've played has STARTED with and still it's been dead quiet the last few days. I think this is a side effect of day one getting cut so short- we had nothing much else to talk about now. I did not want the day to end so fast and did what I could to avoid it. So you get stuck with whatever I'm thinking about until someone comes up with something else to talk about. I think sorting LLD is pretty damn important- she's obviously quite a presence, so I'm going to be rather concerned about figuring her out.
Want to talk about that read? I don't see much on them from a quick search of your iso
Yeah, because there isn't much that he's done. I asked him why he voted you, and I'm still waiting for an answer. I was thinking the same thing as xyzzy about how PP has not really done anything and then he made that vote and the only reason I'm coming up with for it doesn't reflect too well on him. So maybe he'll come up with something else as reasoning, but until that happens he's in the sorta scummy category like Porkens. Kokichi is nearing that point too from sheer lack of doing anything- I said he's probably going to be null for quite a while but then he promptly started acting like he actually should be considered towny for ending the day quickly and I sure didn't care for that.
So if we're analyzing vote counts, can I ask why those vote counts specifically? They seem pretty random middle of the day choices to me. Why those but not the day end?
Scum killed Frogs to set Black up as today's suspect. Since Black died too their plan went kaput and now they're just blending in with lurkers waiting for a new plan to form.
Scum killed Frogs to set Black up as today's suspect. Since Black died too their plan went kaput and now they're just blending in with lurkers waiting for a new plan to form.
Okay, thanks? Uh, you realize hebi was scum, right? She didn't have actual scumreads.
Kokichi hasn't done anything useful, helped end day one quite early (which I blame as a factor in this anemic day two), and acted like he wanted to get townread for helping cut the day's discussion off. That last one in particular really kinda pinged me.
In post 967, Aureal wrote:
Okay, thanks? Uh, you realize hebi was scum, right? She didn't have actual scumreads.
Kokichi hasn't done anything useful, helped end day one quite early (which I blame as a factor in this anemic day two), and acted like he wanted to get townread for helping cut the day's discussion off. That last one in particular really kinda pinged me.
I do, I wanted to see what hebi would do in the night but she surrendered
Hopefully Kokichi contributes soon
hello! tomorrow is my birthday and today was the day I actually celebrated, so I have had a long, busy day. I've read the last few pages, but it was a skim during a few free minutes earlier this morning.
that being said, GreyICE, can you tell me more about your role? first, I'd like to know more about your miller claim and what went into that. second, I'd like to know more about what mechanics and flavor your death ability is.
