Mini 2297 | Conception | Postgame

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

I'm legitimately wondering if my inclusion is to subvert the practice of a single VT in role madness with just a very low powered ability instead. Or maybe my role actually has legitimate uses in this setup I guess I'll find out.

There have to be other investigative roles then just me though, because really. (I am a little bit salty about my role)


p-edit:
I accounted for this, but... I mean... that's a very weak if not detrimental version of a even/odd-night godfather if that's the case. I mean... why not just have it be a read as Invocation on those nights instead then. Unless one of the scum teams is benign, but even then we don't know that for sure, so. Either way it's negative utility in my eyes.

I don't think you should assume this role is useless, at this point in the game we don't know much about the setup, but as has previously been stated this could be used to confirm the existence of roleblocks, rolestops etc. roles that seem relatively useless can actually be really important depending on the setup.

[Abnegation]

hi goldie!
(alianna here)

[Hugir]

If Abnegation is town as well, that could be me, Rautherdir, Abnegation and Hell Froze Over in the Early Towncore

Idk about you but the rest sounds about right

[furtiveglance]

Thanks Hugir love you too

Welcome newcomers

[GoldfishFromTheMoon]

hi goldie!
(alianna here)

Hii (:

[Rautherdir]

I'm legitimately wondering if my inclusion is to subvert the practice of a single VT in role madness with just a very low powered ability instead. Or maybe my role actually has legitimate uses in this setup I guess I'll find out.

There have to be other investigative roles then just me though, because really. (I am a little bit salty about my role)


p-edit:
I accounted for this, but... I mean... that's a very weak if not detrimental version of a even/odd-night godfather if that's the case. I mean... why not just have it be a read as Invocation on those nights instead then. Unless one of the scum teams is benign, but even then we don't know that for sure, so. Either way it's negative utility in my eyes.

I don't think you should assume this role is useless, at this point in the game we don't know much about the setup, but as has previously been stated this could be used to confirm the existence of roleblocks, rolestops etc. roles that seem relatively useless can actually be really important depending on the setup.

I know, I'll try and use it the best way I can. If I can even figure that out. And just try to be as otherwise helpful as I can be regardless of how useful my role is.

[Rautherdir]

We're almost all posted though, neat.

[Hell Froze Over]

hi goldie!
(alianna here)

Still angry over chatGPT

*shakes fist angrily*

-Drew

[Abnegation]

hi goldie!
(alianna here)

Still angry over chatGPT

*shakes fist angrily*

-Drew

i'm sorry, i needed you dead!
but we really had no right to live through d4 that game.

[furtiveglance]

Hydras OP that's my opinion

[Abnegation]

Of course this might be incorrect due to bastard element of mod misdirection, but there's a reason I claimed Benediction and not Malediction in my opening post.

@dragon - i'm pretty sure someone asked what that reason was, but i can't find it. i'd like an answer to that question.

[Abnegation]

unofficial vc for reference:

icedragon70 (e-2): feysal, hell froze over, enchant, actiondan, furtiveglance
enchant (2): the keeper, rautherdir
actiondan (1): icedragon70

not voting (5): abnegation, bluesnakelet, goldfishfromthemoon, hugir, kawaiikame

[Abnegation]

so i did some isos and found almost nothing, but i'm starting to see the case for dragon.
the reasons for that vote on actiondan seemed very disingenuous, considering the game had literally just started and he may not have even had time to post much. nor was there any reason to think his iso was "trying to look like something."
i'd vote dragon, but i don't want e-1 until we're actually ready to execute someone.

Spoiler: quotes

Guys we've had a fuckton of mechanical discussion but barely any scumhunting.
I'm gonna VOTE: ActionDan because I like their ISO the least.

Scummiest at this point I'd say is probably furtiveglance, they haven't really contributed much at all while still being present.

I agree that they have contributed very little, but I believe it is typical of their early-game play.
What do you think of ActionDan's ISO? To me it looks like a bunch of nothing trying to look like something.

[Abnegation]

also, i don't scumread rauther, but this is all really textbook lamist. i'd appreciate a second opinion here.

Spoiler: quotes

Well. I might have still done it actually.
This was a decent way to break out of RVS I think, and I like doing stuff like that.

Maybe a rolestopper or ascetic I could still see, but... yeah. I mean I had no idea how to use my ability effectively anyways so uh... it was either claim to figure out how to even use my role or try and figure it out myself.

Well, the least I can do at this point is try and be helpful enough to town that I get shot for that reason.

The information that there are almost certainly roles that prevent actions from working is I think more valuable then keeping my role hidden as well, in retrospect. Plus, I can try to be as helpful to town as possible in order to eat a night kill for that reason even if not a powerful role. (The trick of course, is doing that, which I might not have the best track record of.)

I can do stuff like check ascetic or vet claims at least. Or just... gather information in general about other actions in play maybe.

Mass wittering would indeed be terrible.

I really need to make sure most of my posts are actually game advancing though cause what I have is my ability to contribute to town and an as-far-as-I-can-tell barely useful ability. I think I helped get town out of RVS though so I have done that at least!

I'm legitimately wondering if my inclusion is to subvert the practice of a single VT in role madness with just a very low powered ability instead. Or maybe my role actually has legitimate uses in this setup I guess I'll find out.

There have to be other investigative roles then just me though, because really. (I am a little bit salty about my role)


p-edit:
I accounted for this, but... I mean... that's a very weak if not detrimental version of a even/odd-night godfather if that's the case. I mean... why not just have it be a read as Invocation on those nights instead then. Unless one of the scum teams is benign, but even then we don't know that for sure, so. Either way it's negative utility in my eyes.

I don't think you should assume this role is useless, at this point in the game we don't know much about the setup, but as has previously been stated this could be used to confirm the existence of roleblocks, rolestops etc. roles that seem relatively useless can actually be really important depending on the setup.

I know, I'll try and use it the best way I can. If I can even figure that out. And just try to be as otherwise helpful as I can be regardless of how useful my role is.

[Rautherdir]

I mean, I'll outright say that my goal is to be so obnoxiously towny that scum shoots me, cause then I take a bullet for people with actually good roles.

[Rautherdir]

I'm not sure I like IceDragon's push on actiondan either, though pushing them any closer to erasure when we haven't even had everyone post yet isn't the best idea.

[Abnegation]

yeah, e-1 less than 24 hours into the day is a horrible idea.

[Rautherdir]

And with the mod V/LA as well. But yeah let's not speedrun this game, no one has actually outright scum claimed and we would really like to have the time to develop reads on other people as well.

[IceDragon70]

Noted.

VOTE: Abnegation

How dare someone be presented before me in lexicographic order

Also it did but only because I voted you

Also, we haven't actually left RVS

Which is it atm?

@Mod: Is it public knowledge that disciples of benediction are threats to town

There.

I think it's pretty obvious that they are considering we're playing mafia, a game pitting uninformed majorities against informed minorities.

The stretch to entertain the idea they aren't reads to me as a possible play to fake a dumb not-benediction faction tell more than honest concern.

I woul also like to ask @dragon to specify which of those is the scummiest post. Because if it's the rvs one that feels omgus-y, and if it's the benediction one that feels chainsaw-y

~b

None of them feel scummy individually. I never even said ActionDan was scummy (look at my original vote on them if you doubt this).
I said I liked their ISO the least, meaning I had the least reason to townread them out of all people who participated thus far. I feelt there really wasn't any substance to their posts, which is maybe acceptable on page 1 or 2, but not so on page 4 (IMO). I wanted to see their reaction and draw them into the game.

[IceDragon70]

@Mod: Is it public knowledge that disciples of benediction are threats to town

There.

I think it's pretty obvious that they are considering we're playing mafia, a game pitting uninformed majorities against informed minorities.

The stretch to entertain the idea they aren't reads to me as a possible play to fake a dumb not-benediction faction tell more than honest concern.

So why aren't you voting Rautherdir?

I simply did not feel the compulsion to vote. I treat my votes as more committal than most and I'm only half scrutinizing the thread while I'm working. I thought it enough to state my opinion while being content to wait a bit longer for both an answer to my earlier inquiry to you and more posts in general.

Guys we've had a fuckton of mechanical discussion but barely any scumhunting.
I'm gonna VOTE: ActionDan because I like their ISO the least.

This vote is pretty solidly scummy. My ISO, as later claimed in post 146 is "a bunch of nothing trying to look like something." I had only made three posts at this point, an RVS vote, a question highlighting what seemed to me to be cognitive dissonance, and a post casting an aspersion on Rautherdir. None of these factors into your complaint about "a fuckton of mechanical discussion" which to me is what I would associate with "a bunch of nothing" in general. If the complaint is that I'm supposed to be contributing more 4 pages into D1, well that presents its own problems.

So I don't believe you're voting me for the stated reason. What I do think is happening here is that you're piggybacking off post 109 and invented a new reason to vote me to keep it fresh. In which case there's a rather poignant hypocrisy occurring, as in post 96 Keeper makes a similar if not even stronger denouncement of rautherdir without voting for him and there's no mention of it.

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I'll address other posts / people later after work but wanted to get this one out now.

My complaint wasn't even directed at you, dude!
Why are you making it look like I was accusing you of something I wasn't?
I was literally saying I really don't see anything in your ISO, and that it's bothering me.
Also, I did want to place a semi-RVS vote on you in 109, but I didn't because I felt it was pretty weak.
Later on, I felt like the discussion was getting nowhere, so I decided I want to start a new wagon to generate content. At this point I quickly looked over the ISO's of all the players I wasn't actively townreading, liked yours the least, and made a vote on it.

[Abnegation]

you called a sequence of 3 posts "a bunch of nothing trying to look like something." i think at least the first paragraph of actiondan's response is fair.

[Abnegation]

^
ok that was not worded well. what i was trying to say was that your wording sounded like a scumread, and that it seemed like quite a stretch when applied to someone's first 3 posts all before p4.
note to self: don't post past midnight.

[IceDragon70]

A few slots haven't posted so far, but of the posters that have, IceDragon and BlueSnakelet seem like most likely sus.

Please elaborate more on this.

[IceDragon70]

hi goldie!
(alianna here)

Waitttt
You are Alianna??
Oh my god I didn't see your signature lol.

[IceDragon70]

I townread Alianna