Open 875 - The Kindgom of Zeal: The Queens Chosen - GAME OVER

[Gimli]

first

[Gimli]

we're still in elo

of course, if RR is scum he needs to holster, this is entirely expected

[Gimli]

Vote Count 4-FINAL

Radical Rat

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Umlaut - Gimli

Umlaut

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Lady Lambdadelta - Radical Rat - Ranger - KawaiiKame

Not Voting

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Save The Dragons

With 7 players in the game, 4 are required to Yeet unto the Eternal Void .

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I'll start with the idea that both scum are behind this flip. so its a (lld/rr/kk) pool

I'm clearing std for not being on that wagon. considering the way he was posting, I'd be surprised if he suddenly voted umlaut. I can't read std if I try, so I'm taking him having a minimally protown stance in the game as a good enough foundation to clearing him. that's how I townleaned std in haunted village, for unvoting on d1 (although we were wagoning a wolf that day).

also std is a very opportunistically wolf. if he is svs with RR I'm sure he'd be on that wagon earlier or at least positioned to do it

[Gimli]

*opportunistic wolf

[Gimli]

and like I don't think I can parse out the other three

[Gimli]

all points to RR/kawa I guess

but it can still be lld

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I protected Ranger last night.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

we should massclaim remaining roles, probably.

[Gimli]

if we have a n5 doctor we have a chance of not being in elo

massclaim bad imo?

[Save The Dragons]

if im being honest i probably would have chosen to kill umlaut but i was wrong i guess

[Radical Rat]

Well I was very wrong yesterday, and I apologize for that. Clearly I hadn't thought things through as much as I should have before attempting such a play.

In any case, I protected Ranger, because despite her protests, I wasn't ever NOT going to heal the only truly conftown slot in the game, and I'd hoped her threatening me into protecting LLD would convince scum I wouldn't be healing her. Seems either I was right, or they holstered for WIFOM.

In any case, I think at this point it has to be KawaiiKame. Hammer yesterday felt really opportunistic, and them being the only one to just take my shenanigans at face value doesn't sit well with me.

Beyond that, I'd say probably LLD is my guess. Significantly less confident there though.

[Radical Rat]

if we have a n5 doctor we have a chance of not being in elo

massclaim bad imo?

Yes, massclaim bad.

We already have fullclaim from everyone but Kawaii and StD, and even then we know they're both going to claim Doctor.

Barring any really convincing arguments, I'm going to be voting Kawaii regardless, but for StD I'd rather scum not know whether they have to worry about a heal tonight.

[Gimli]

Well I was very wrong yesterday, and I apologize for that. Clearly I hadn't thought things through as much as I should have before attempting such a play.

In any case, I protected Ranger, because despite her protests, I wasn't ever NOT going to heal the only truly conftown slot in the game, and I'd hoped her threatening me into protecting LLD would convince scum I wouldn't be healing her. Seems either I was right, or they holstered for WIFOM.

In any case, I think at this point it has to be KawaiiKame. Hammer yesterday felt really opportunistic, and them being the only one to just take my shenanigans at face value doesn't sit well with me.

Beyond that, I'd say probably LLD is my guess. Significantly less confident there though.

how was the hammer opportunistic from your standpoint if the wagons were tvt?

[Radical Rat]

I wasn't at E-1. I assume if I were, they would have done the same thing to me.

[Radical Rat]

But it was their first post all day, no questions, no original opinions, no follow-up, just a straight "I believe you" and hammer.

[Save The Dragons]

why did you suggest massclaiming lld

[Lady Lambdadelta]

why did you suggest massclaiming lld

Well, because realistically there are only a few people who haven't claimed an action/night and if scum are really worried about night kills, they'd shoot within those people given a lack of self protection. We'd need 2 N5 doctors.

And given we're in ELO it's interesting to see if the people who have not claimed have to claim prior actions or claim to be for a future night.

The question for me would be if we DID get 2 N5 doctor claims, it would be interesting to possible no eliminate and see what happens.

[Radical Rat]

Best case scenario there is just a no kill again, which after a no lim puts us in exactly the same spot... except without a potential safety net.

[Ranger]

of course, if RR is scum he needs to holster, this is entirely expected

If RR is scum, they'd have no need to holster.

Just kill me and claim they protected LLD.

If they intended to claim a protection on me, and didn't want to run into me voting them because of LLD's death, they could kill you, as you were the towniest slot to most yesterday, and if there were a real N4 doctor, the real N4 doctor would be on one of {Ranger, LLD}.

I lean towards 1 scum in {LLD, RR} and 1 scum in {KawaiiKame, Save the Dragons}.

Not voting yet as we've a full game to view now.

[Gimli]

not killing is much stronger play and one I would absolutely 100% go for if I'm playing from RR's position if I'm scum here

scum doesn't need to flip an unclear, they're playing elo either way

if someone else died I'd absolutely think RR was mafia

[Radical Rat]

not killing is much stronger play and one I would absolutely 100% go for if I'm playing from RR's position if I'm scum here

scum doesn't need to flip an unclear, they're playing elo either way

if someone else died I'd absolutely think RR was mafia

If the play that you think I would do DIDN'T happen, you'd think it was me?

[Gimli]

not killing is much stronger play and one I would absolutely 100% go for if I'm playing from RR's position if I'm scum here

scum doesn't need to flip an unclear, they're playing elo either way

if someone else died I'd absolutely think RR was mafia

If the play that you think I would do DIDN'T happen, you'd think it was me?

I'm saying its the stronger/more correct play from scum

killing outside a clear is absolute potatoes. if it did happen, I'd think it'd be more likely that you're scum just removing someone to have better numbers in elo, but I think it'd be a misplay. if ranger died I'd be certain you'd be scum.

the correct play since you claimed doctor was to holster and then claim your target. it creates the impression that you made a save while keeping the odds of winning the eLo the same.

I also think LLD would probably claim the n4 save as scum either with or without you. to me none of this changes anything.

[Radical Rat]

Honestly I don't think scum holstered. I would have at least TRIED to kill Ranger, with her threatening me being a pretty good excuse not to have protected her. You don't really want conftown in ELo if it can be helped.

End result's the same either way though, and I'm not really looking forward to the inevitable 1v1 with LLD tomorrow, but that's tomorrow's problem.

In the meantime, if Kawaii doesn't show up by prod time, I'm just gonna vote

[LavosCore]

Vote Count 5-1

Not Voting

(6)

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Save The Dragons - Gimli - Lady Lambdadelta - Radical Rat - Ranger - KawaiiKame

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[Save The Dragons]

I'm sorry I need time to sit down with this game and I'm not sure yet when that will be