Micro 1075: The Coalition of Imaginary Creatures (Game over)

[Umlaut]

Gonna say I'm leaning mafia on KawaiiKame too

But you want to coalition them?

[Eiralox]

Exclude Eiralox

Ok yeah scratch that actually wtf?

I'm like the one wanting patch in there, and I've been on N_M's side?

yeah no mindmeld and town feel rescinded : (
And you think Kawaii can be scum?

Sorry dunnstral you lost my love

[Keychain]

keychain the main thing for why I'm not hammering is that Bingle, Umlaut and northsidegal were super quick with jumping onto this coalition, especially with the Not_Mafia heal.... before you and me healed Not_Mafia everyone seemed like 'Yeah nah ain't happening.' And northsidegal suddenly trusts you and Umlaut?

So if there's scum in the coalition hearing reasons for why those with this coalition so quickly adopted it can sort of help town in the long run on a failure?

i'm sorry I've never played a coalition so me being cautious is sort of the default mode I'll be in here. Like... people sort of will talk differently if they need a specific coalition though instead of after the fact? I'm sort of sensing that in Bingle ngl. Ugh. Basically, I'm not ready, sorry for making things harder for you I guess.

Between timezones and people having lives (I know I'm going to be busy as hell tomorrow for example), getting an elim together in less than three days is already going to be a mission, I don't think I'm the only one feeling time pressure so I'm not surprised it formed quickly but quick thoughts on that:
- Nsg if town hasn't taken the time she needs to push a better coalition or reevaluate, she doesn't have much choice
- Bingle already had n_m as a townread iirc
- Um's reasoning there is more shaky but following it for consensus makes sense based on his townreads on me and bingle

Basically if there's scum on the coalition I want to know that now and move on asap, I don't think Kawaii for example is going to come out with anything so groundbreaking at this point that makes it worth holding off the coalition judging by their contributions thus far

The current coalition will definitely fail because nobody is trying to change it. And if it were all town mafia would lose instantly, so they'd be up in arms about it.

patch has been, kawaii has been lurking and might be resigned to a loss, obviously fmpov you're doing this literally right now

[Eiralox]

@Keychain: I'm real sorry but maybe Not_Mafia or patchwork can hammer for you before tommorow. I'm a hesitant coward rn.

VOTE: KawaiiKame

[Eiralox]

Exclude Eiralox

I'm like the one wanting patch in there, and I've been on N_M's side?

And actually Dunnstral if you read I also wanted you in there over Umlaut? I really don't understand this.

[Eiralox]

Here is my proposal: We all unvote the current coalition and do the opposite of where we are headed right now.

Not_Mafia, patchwork,

Dunnstral,

Bingle,

KawaiiKame

coalition. Exclude Eiralox, northsidegal, Keychain. Umlaut.

I have them in

wanted in

can be towny af but i have trust issues

I don't see anyone adding them even tho I don't know if they're gonna flip scum atp

i'm just confused if, when my earlier stated coalition is 3/5 with yours, you're not gonna trust me in one?

is it because I'm trusting keyachain and not trusting bingle?

[Umlaut]

Here is my proposal: We all unvote the current coalition and do the opposite of where we are headed right now.

Not_Mafia, patchwork, Dunnstral, Bingle, KawaiiKame coalition. Exclude Eiralox, northsidegal, Keychain. Umlaut.

Honestly this is just such an absurd suggestion that I can't decide if scum!Dunnstral is quite this blatant, but maybe they are when they're a hammer away from insta-losing

[Dunnstral]

Exclude Eiralox

Ok yeah scratch that actually wtf?

I'm like the one wanting patch in there, and I've been on N_M's side?

yeah no mindmeld and town feel rescinded : (
And you think Kawaii can be scum?

Sorry dunnstral you lost my love

We have no info, I think going completely against consensus is more likely to be correct than going exactly with consensus.

[Dunnstral]

@Keychain: I'm real sorry but maybe Not_Mafia or patchwork can hammer for you before tommorow. I'm a hesitant coward rn.

VOTE: KawaiiKame

I'm not planning on voting outside of the coalition if it fails by the way. That means there are 1-2 mafia in the coalition, and 0-1 outside of it. Even knowing that I'm town, it's still better odds to vote inside the coalition. From your point of view knowing you're town you should have even more reason to vote inside the coalition I'd think.

[Dunnstral]

Exclude Eiralox

I'm like the one wanting patch in there, and I've been on N_M's side?

And actually Dunnstral if you read I also wanted you in there over Umlaut? I really don't understand this.

I literally just flipped it around

[lilith2013]

V OTECOUNT 1.015
E LIMINATION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT V OTES
Keychain (2)	northsidegal, Not_Mafia
patchwork (0)	None
KawaiiKame (2)	Keychain, Eiralox
Not_Mafia (0)	None
northsidegal (0)	None
Eiralox (0)	None
Umlaut (0)	None
Dunnstral (0)	None
Bingle (0)	None
NOT VOTING: patchwork, KawaiiKame, Dunnstral, Bingle, Umlaut
C OALITION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT C OALITION
Keychain (5)	Keychain, northsidegal, Eiralox, Umlaut, Not_Mafia
patchwork (4)	patchwork, northsidegal, Eiralox, Not_Mafia
KawaiiKame (5)	Eiralox, Dunnstral, Keychain, northsidegal, Umlaut
Not_Mafia (5)	Not_Mafia, Keychain, patchwork, northsidegal, Eiralox
northsidegal (5)	northsidegal, Eiralox, Keychain, Umlaut, Not_Mafia
Eiralox (5)	Eiralox, Not_Mafia, Keychain, patchwork, Umlaut
Umlaut (5)	Umlaut, northsidegal, Keychain, Eiralox, Not_Mafia
Dunnstral (5)	Dunnstral, Umlaut, Eiralox, Bingle, northsidegal
Bingle (5)	Umlaut, northsidegal, Keychain, Eiralox, Not_Mafia
A LPHABETIZED C OALITION V OTES
P LAYER N AME	C URRENT C OALITION
Keychain (5)	Eiralox, Keychain, northsidegal, Not_Mafia, Umlaut
patchwork (4)	Eiralox, northsidegal, Not_Mafia, patchwork
KawaiiKame (5)	Dunnstral, Eiralox, Keychain, northsidegal, Umlaut
Not_Mafia (5)	Eiralox, Keychain, northsidegal, Not_Mafia, patchwork
northsidegal (5)	Eiralox, Keychain, northsidegal, Not_Mafia, Umlaut
Eiralox (5)	Eiralox, Keychain, Not_Mafia, patchwork, Umlaut
Umlaut (5)	Eiralox, Keychain, northsidegal, Not_Mafia, Umlaut
Dunnstral (5)	Bingle, Dunnstral, Eiralox, northsidegal, Umlaut
Bingle (5)	Eiralox, Keychain, northsidegal, Not_Mafia, Umlaut
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lock in a Coalition and 5 to eliminate. Deadline: (expired on 2023-04-06 14:49:20)
Notes: Alphabetizing the coalition votes in a 2nd version of the table (it's easier for me to see if we've reached a coalition).

[Eiralox]

We have no info, I think going completely against consensus is more likely to be correct than going exactly with consensus.

Yeah I agree sorta in philosophy, that's how I've been approaching some of my reads. but N_M is consensus right now. I have patch in cos of that and they feel wholesome sorta low-effort town.

I'm against the umlaut/northsidegal consensus (I'm liking umlaut a bit more I guess)

Keychain might be playing me. But damn right now the general feel I get is that many people aren't gonna be changing minds at all.

I can do N_M, Dunnstral, patchwork, eiralox, Bingle in a pinch. Like I might be your ally still if you somehow convince people that's viable.

Bingle I just never won't trust. Kawaii I'm sorta wanting to policy elim anyway so eh why go to the effort. But good luck Dunnstral it might be hard sell to other ngl

[Dunnstral]

HURT: All

HEAL: Eiralox, Keychain, Not_Mafia, patchwork, Umlaut

I'll contribute to yours so it can be in contention

[Eiralox]

I might just hammer with northsidegal and deal with the consequences tbh.

Bingle and keychain never switch to patch.

northsidegal said they're sheeping key.

Not_Mafia is still deciding whether to hammer? No idea whether they'll be on board. Same with patch.

KawaiiKame is NAI

I'm not sure about Umlaut they seem decided.

If I didn't hammer in an hour I went to sleep and decided against it.

[Bingle]

Here is my proposal: We all unvote the current coalition and do the opposite of where we are headed right now.

Not_Mafia, patchwork, Dunnstral, Bingle, KawaiiKame coalition. Exclude Eiralox, northsidegal, Keychain. Umlaut.

Given that the mafia ideal is one off one on this seems like an awful idea even if you assume mafia have gotten exactly what they want.

[Bingle]

I’d hammer Dunn over either nsg or umlaut atp, fwiw.

[Bingle]

The current coalition will definitely fail because nobody is trying to change it. And if it were all town mafia would lose instantly, so they'd be up in arms about it.

I feel like this is not true though? Like, eir is trying to change it. Patch is sheeping eir. You/nsg/Kawaii have all just been gone. The only excluded player who *could* be trying to change it, isn't and is here is me and I don't think its a reasonable ask to get me on a coalition at this point.

[northsidegal]

don't have a ton of time but eiralox earlier you said I didn't explain anything about my reads shifts and while it's true I haven't dedicated as many words as I'd like I still gave a someone brief explanation and I feel as though my progression isn't /super/ opaque, especially in regards to my read on Dunn falling and subsequently influencing the rest of my reads

[Dunnstral]

Tell me more about how your read on me changing influenced the rest of your reads

[Eiralox]

don't have a ton of time but eiralox earlier you said I didn't explain anything about my reads shifts and while it's true I haven't dedicated as many words as I'd like I still gave a someone brief explanation and I feel as though my progression isn't /super/ opaque, especially in regards to my read on Dunn falling and subsequently influencing the rest of my reads

Fair enough. Think I should sign off on the current coalition with N_M and umlaut in it? I won't tonight but in 10 hours if no one has sure I'll do it so we can advance to whatever the future brings.

[Keychain]

Happy scumday Dunn! if you're town just hammer the coalition mate, coalition failing does not mean town loss so there is no need to pull out the galaxy brain moves here which leave us in the shit if they fail

and even if your flipping idea gave us a perfect coalition somehow while excluding Eira, you're not going to get enough support for it in time because scum obvs won't vote for it and so you'll need to convince 4 full townies to agree with you asap. And for the info produced by a failing coalition (since I still think it's very optimistic to assume we'll win the game on this) I'd rather know there's scum amongst relatively active+widely townread players who are also in the NK pool than the inverse.

[Bingle]

I’d hammer Dunn over either nsg or umlaut atp, fwiw.

To be clear, I don't mean that I prefer Dunn to either of them, but that I would hammer a coalition that had Dunn instead of either of them.

[Umlaut]

Happy scumday Dunn! if you're town just hammer the coalition mate, coalition failing does not mean town loss so there is no need to pull out the galaxy brain moves here which leave us in the shit if they fail

and even if your flipping idea gave us a perfect coalition somehow while excluding Eira, you're not going to get enough support for it in time because scum obvs won't vote for it and so you'll need to convince 4 full townies to agree with you asap. And for the info produced by a failing coalition (since I still think it's very optimistic to assume we'll win the game on this) I'd rather know there's scum amongst relatively active+widely townread players who are also in the NK pool than the inverse.

Is this statement ("it's very optimistic to assume we'll win the game on this") about this coalition in particular or about any coalition at all?

[Keychain]

About any coalition at all. I think this coalition is good but I've been wrong far too many times to say I'm

sure

it's the win, and this will apply to any other coalition as well

[Keychain]

Oh look I passed 1000 posts, how lovely.