Mini Normal 2294: Monkey Business (Endgame)

[Menalque]

Klick has had moments where he’s felt good and moments where he’s felt real bad and idk what to think so I’m putting kawaii in because I think the claim thing makes him more likely scum than town in a vacuum and klick it’s too easy for me to see it either way

I’m basically not convinced on either by claim but mechanically I would put kawaii as the better option

[Ausuka]

I think that it’s prob defending a buddy but I also see a lot of scum upside to defending kawaii if he’s town — if he flips anyway you were on the right side of it going into elo and you get to push the slot you targeted the day before anyway while being consistent (me in this case)

If you get the lim you pushed instead of kawaii then you look worse but if you get flipped next kawaii (if town) looks like a buddy and you can try to win in 5p

I mean ideally yeah but what if you get neither and after pushing against kawaii you're super limited in what lims scum can push? Idk

I guess maybe that could explain why gimli was pushing so hard that the setup without comus could have scum!skygazer, and then comus made the claim?

[Menalque]

and klick being like, locktowning gimli, after gimli literally just rolled him, feels meh

This is probably the most worrying thing about klick to me yeah

[Comus]

I should probably unclear ausuka at this point

@klick have you metadived ausuka's scumgames?

I'm not sure about Ausuka. My feel is she's still town, but being swayed by menalque's charisma?

If it's just mena/sky/gera:

Town:
Combined Shield Doctor
Loud Visionary
2-shot Hider
Compulsive visitor
Unspecified Modified Investigative
5 Vannila Town

Mafia:
Unknown Informed Role
2 Mafia Goons

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I'm signing off on this setup, I now believe the final scum is geraintm.

[Ausuka]

Because like if comus's claim was wrong there is no way sky is ever scum here and I definitely didn't like the way gimli played around it.

Maybe it is just that simple

[Menalque]

I think that it’s prob defending a buddy but I also see a lot of scum upside to defending kawaii if he’s town — if he flips anyway you were on the right side of it going into elo and you get to push the slot you targeted the day before anyway while being consistent (me in this case)

If you get the lim you pushed instead of kawaii then you look worse but if you get flipped next kawaii (if town) looks like a buddy and you can try to win in 5p

I mean ideally yeah but what if you get neither and after pushing against kawaii you're super limited in what lims scum can push? Idk

I guess maybe that could explain why gimli was pushing so hard that the setup without comus could have scum!skygazer, and then comus made the claim?

No offence to anyone here but in what world do you get neither given the pl and level of investment in the game across the board? Like who is gonna push back hard against either one of the options, sky, enchant, gera? Not happening

And in that worst case you probably see gera getting flipped and then you can take your pick of me/kawaii the next day

[Menalque]

Klick also made a good point that only two town have to be wrong here and there’s so many conflicts (and have been all game) that I think scum have felt safe to just openwolf and go for the big win bc they know the chance of town coordinating sufficiently to threaten their game is v slim

[Menalque]

I should probably unclear ausuka at this point

@klick have you metadived ausuka's scumgames?

I'm not sure about Ausuka. My feel is she's still town, but being swayed by menalque's charisma?

Like look at this ausuka, lol

Charisma and theatre are p much the exact same skill set (acting) and yet my theatre is so bad according to comus that I was easily catchable from it while it’s simultaneously good enough that I’ve managed to bring you round from fairly sceptical on me to my side

There’s just no internal consistency to the thoughts because there are none, it’s all just words to try and look good and bluster for position

[geraintm]

i have don't know much about set up, but seems like the 5 claimed roles for town vs 1 for scum doesn't seem very fair.
it is why i have made the assumption that the claims are not all correct. or scum have something that can do something to the town roles, normally the set up gives each side something to balance the other (unless mod is just being a dick and messing with expectations, but it doesn't seem like that in this game.

[Menalque]

Also changing your claim after massclaim should just always be policy limmed but people don’t wanna hear that :shrug:

But if you allow it then it allows scum to do the above

[geraintm]

I should probably unclear ausuka at this point

@klick have you metadived ausuka's scumgames?

I'm not sure about Ausuka. My feel is she's still town, but being swayed by menalque's charisma?

Like look at this ausuka, lol

Charisma and theatre are p much the exact same skill set (acting) and yet my theatre is so bad according to comus that I was easily catchable from it while it’s simultaneously good enough that I’ve managed to bring you round from fairly sceptical on me to my side

There’s just no internal consistency to the thoughts because there are none, it’s all just words to try and look good and bluster for position

AImafia isn't very good at being mafia

[Comus]

I was tempted to fullclaim but no. I have reached the desired clarity though.

Scum is exactly menalque, skygazer and geraintm.

If I flip tonight this will be clear. If I don't flip tonight, I claim tommorow.

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Luck.

[Menalque]

I think comus’ writing style is too individual to be from an AI

[Comus]

AImafia isn't very good at being mafia

Are you enjoying the ride as the walls crumble all around your scumteam? I hope you are.

[Menalque]

Well I’m gonna go make banana bread

I’ll try to check back if there’s anything else you guys wanna ask me but I’m ready to be hammered personally (obviously it would be better to fire drill and hammer comus here)

[Menalque]

Actually why not this way it shows up in my iso and the VC and I don’t think kawaii is happening

VOTE: comus

Comus necandae est!

[Ausuka]

I should probably unclear ausuka at this point

@klick have you metadived ausuka's scumgames?

I'm not sure about Ausuka. My feel is she's still town, but being swayed by menalque's charisma?

Like look at this ausuka, lol

Charisma and theatre are p much the exact same skill set (acting) and yet my theatre is so bad according to comus that I was easily catchable from it while it’s simultaneously good enough that I’ve managed to bring you round from fairly sceptical on me to my side

There’s just no internal consistency to the thoughts because there are none, it’s all just words to try and look good and bluster for position

I mean you definitely have a point? Obviously since.d2 I have felt that comus is like full of bluster in the way he effortlessly changes between complete solves without any introspection about how it's unlikely that this specific time is the correct exact solve after all the previous instances. What changed my mind was him yelling at me after I did what was like, from my perspective I was giving him a very small dose of his own medicine there. It didn't feel especially fabricated, it just felt like he was a person I can't understand

[Comus]

i have don't know much about set up, but seems like the 5 claimed roles for town vs 1 for scum doesn't seem very fair.

Salty.

No, my solve is perfectly balanced. I have the advantage of knowing my role. Klick's role is a dud. Ausuka's role is situational. Enchant has to be very careful with the heals. Hider has power but kawaii could have handled it better.

This game is just menalque/skygazer/geraintm.

It's time for me to rest, finally. Please don't screw up this perfect POE town.

[Ausuka]

Fwiw compulsive visitor is an F tier role, visionary is E tier and hider is D tier. I don't think any of those roles impact on balance much. I think the setup works with Enchant and either skygazer or comus. It could also work with skygazer and comus and scum in like, idk, kawaii and enchant or whatever.

[Comus]

Actually why not this way it shows up in my iso and the VC and I don’t think kawaii is happening

VOTE: comus

Comus necandae est!

Please tell geraintm in PT that, as an A.I, I have little concern for the foibles of fleshy mortals when I AM THE CODE, RESOLUTE AND ETERNAL

[Comus]

This is funny.

Do scum kill me and prove my neat little solve?

Or do they keep me alive and let me get my result?

For once I'm actually enjoying this game XD

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Good luck town, and think things over real good. I'm sure clarity is close ; )

[Gimli]

bye

I'm starting to doubt my ausuka townread as well

I'm guessing kawa is a townie after re-re-re-reading his ISO

he is getting rep'ed out and flaking sitewide apparently (hope saying that is not against the rules). its too bad cause lack of involvement make me doubt I should rly be townreading him.

I should probably unclear ausuka at this point

@klick have you metadived ausuka's scumgames?

So are you planning to elaborate or

wondering if I was clearing you on emotion and activity and whatever else when a lot of your posts are crap and you're pushing townies with broken ass reasoning cause you're scum

for instance the way you're sussing klick for locktowning me is really bad. have you read that game? did you know klick was the only player thinking I was mafia in the end? also, maybe you can just ask klick what's the difference between this and hollow knight and maybe he'll tell you all about it

your reasons for scum leaning on me are pretty crap atm

I may have reasons to townread other slots more than you, perhaps especially gera?

idk what the game looks like if mena flips town but I might as well just maintain a single townread on comus and maybe on klick? def. not on you though.

btw did your metadives went anywhere?

[Ausuka]

Ok so you're just scum cool

[Gimli]

like i think mena's read here is fairly blatantly that now he thinks gimli's play wasn't towny (which i agree with largely, my doubts on gimli mostly come from today? although my read on him has been pretty fuzzy ever since elsa faked that inno result) rather than he didn't think that back then

gimli trying to spin it to get back on mena and trying to squirm out of townreading me (which like, not having me as locktown is kind of fair, but then why did he ever have me as locktown in the first place? what changes there?) just feels gross

i think it's pretty likely gimli + kawaii + 3

mena's read on both me and comus were that we were both his strongest townreads

the shift came with no progression whatsoever, and what he is now saying, that I was NEVER towny basically, doesn't fit well with his own leans on d1. if I was never towny, how was I a townread?

[Gimli]

Ok so you're just scum cool

did

your

metadives

went

anywhere?