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[Flavor Leaf]

uhhh yeah you should be pretty sold on the person you're voting flipping scum... it's kinda how this game works

Nah, not Day 1.

If that were true, people wouldn't be misfaded as often as they were.

People need to be okay with their reads being wrong, and then reevaluating, not just having some wild conviction with no real base. Day 1 scum can coast and will do things that don't look scummy. It wont be until later in the game we can look back at Day 1 as a single link on the entire chain, and see that townie stuff are actually highly scum indicative.

[Cephrir]

like hello, Enchant actually does stuff as town. shit posts as scum.

i'd like to voice some support for this

std called this out in a recent game (where enchant was my scum partner) and i looked into it and discovered that he was right

[Cephrir]

know what, please lim me.. cause yall are just... nah I'm over this.
my claim? LMAO have fun, cause if you wanna yeet me last minute like this, means you don't care what my claim is, oh scum will be laughing at this flip

pls don't give up ;_;

[Cephrir]

the fearmongering around a claim is a little scummy but im ignoring that because it conflicts with my worldview

[schadd_]

@mod can we get confirmation if the deadline will be extended or not?

yes, it will be. i guess when i say "probably" i mean "unless the day ends via a hammer" which is bad wording

[Bub Bidderskins]

Given that Enchant was replacing into a game several pages in I think it's reasonable to give them at least a little leeway early on, so I'm not feeling the enchant wagon.

At this point I'm not sure how much value an extension will be. We'll just continue talking in circles around the same handful of scummy people. All the rapid fire sentence-by-sentence posting from both Hu and Andate is starting to muddy my ability to read either of them. I think in both cases that style of posting is counter-productive to helping us find scum, but it might not be alignment indicative. Either way, I think we're better of limming one of them and them since either could easily be scum and then we can go from there. Once we have some confirmation of alignment I think the mess that is/was this day will become clearer.

And also the meta tells are starting to really annoy me...and this applies to multiple people. If players are playing well they'll vary their playstyle from game-to-game, people in general grossly overestimate their ability to read people, and self-meta is categorically bs. I don't consider any of the meta stuff to be fruitful at all.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Willing to jump onto the Andante wagon in the interest of pushing us towards some sort of resolution on this day. Still up for CKD because it really feels like we let them off easy, and limming a lurker like Stargazer is also not terrible though I don't feel like limming a lurker is going to give us a much better chance of hitting scum than throwing darts at the board at random. But maybe the theoryn on limmin glurkers has advanced in the 10 years since I've played.

[Flavor Leaf]

If players are playing well they'll vary their playstyle from game-to-game, people in general grossly overestimate their ability to read people, and self-meta is categorically bs. I don't consider any of the meta stuff to be fruitful at all.

Like this.

Self-meta is easy to fake and manipulate as both alignments (but it is effective, ofc). But yeah, if you haven't had like 30+ games with a person, dont trust a meta tell because players are actively aware of their familiarity with other players.

And even after that 30+ games it gets actively fun to play with perceptions of your meta, that's like a key factor of the game.

[Cephrir]

Given that Enchant was replacing into a game several pages in I think it's reasonable to give them at least a little leeway early on, so I'm not feeling the enchant wagon.

this is a common line of thought but it's not effective ime

scum replacements are still scum

also if you're expecting enchant to post normal content, dream on - it's not something that will change with time

[Cephrir]

And also the meta tells are starting to really annoy me...and this applies to multiple people. If players are playing well they'll vary their playstyle from game-to-game, people in general grossly overestimate their ability to read people, and self-meta is categorically bs. I don't consider any of the meta stuff to be fruitful at all.

there is some truth to this but i think an important aspect of it that IS worthy of caring about is "x player always does this, so it's NAI"

take enchant for example, he's not going to participate in the game the way most players do regardless of his alignment

[Cephrir]

here's an idea for how to make this day end faster

Spoiler:

vote count 1.f !

Hu Tao (4):

Save The Dragons, ballpointpen, Cephrir, Andante

Andante (4):

Kowahbunga, Enchant, GuyInFreezer, Hu Tao

NJAC (3):

Flavor Leaf, Greeting, Skygazer

Cephrir (2):

NJAC, Venmar

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

curiouskarmadog (1):

Bub Bidderskins

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to put someone in the machine. day 1 ends in (expired on 2023-04-05 22:30:00). this is probably once again going to get extended >_>

moderateur notes

• replacing ballpointpen. prodding skygazer

there are a number of players whose votes are doing absolutely nothing here. either make a concerted push for your pet scumread and try to gather some votes, or compromise

[Cephrir]

If you're town and sitting on the sidelines all you're doing is letting scum have their pick between andante and hu tao

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.g !

Andante (6):

Kowahbunga, Enchant, GuyInFreezer, Hu Tao, Flavor Leaf, NJAC

Hu Tao (4):

Save The Dragons, ballpointpen, Cephrir, Bub Bidderskins

NJAC (2):

Greeting, Skygazer

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky, Andante

Cephrir (1):

Venmar

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to put someone in the machine. day 1 ends 48hr after replacement

moderateur notes

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[Bub Bidderskins]

Given that Enchant was replacing into a game several pages in I think it's reasonable to give them at least a little leeway early on, so I'm not feeling the enchant wagon.

this is a common line of thought but it's not effective ime

scum replacements are still scum

also if you're expecting enchant to post normal content, dream on - it's not something that will change with time

Could somebody please, for the love of god, explain to me how Glitch was scummy at all from their 3rd post on? Enchant is the Glitch replacement, no?

[Bub Bidderskins]

It's not like I've got a super strong town read on them or anything, and I am willing to be persuaded of that slot's scumminess, but I have not seen anything resembling a case against them in the slightest. It's just a bunch of massively low-effort bs about how they look scummy without any analysis or argument of how their play is scummy at all.

[Cephrir]

Their analysis felt forced - ie, their comments were uninteresting in a way that makes me think they were created just to have something to say rather than to scumhunt - and their manner of writing was really stilted and awkward, which could be personality but I don't know them and it could also be scum

[Enchant]

I am interesting!!!!!!

[Enchant]

I mean it doesn't matter how many thoughts you throw, if you can't vote mafia after 3000 posts of analysing saliva on words to discover if there's scumbacterias, skill issue.

If you can vote mafia while having 3.5 posts you are real hero

[KittyTacky]

Шэь рукую

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[KittyTacky]

...fuck.

I'm here.

Yeah Enchant is scum. Because Glitch was scum and he did nothing to redeem that slot. idk why the wagon dissolved.

[Hu Tao]

im also annoyed because hu tao has clearly decided to just dunk on everything i say without regard for its validity -- probably because they're scum

It's my personality. Maybe if you had meta on me you'd say the same thing you're saying about Adante. See how irrelevant meta can be when it leaves you without a full picture?

[Venmar]

Bub really do be just looking for the most viable wagon like a moth attracted to blood, it's pattern I've noticed most of the time when he pops in to post.

Cephrir's frustration over how he's being read by some players also seems quite genuine to me but idk if it's AI yet...

[Hu Tao]

I'm not fully sold on Andante scum either

@ALL

Take notes, this is the attitude of everyone on my wagon. None of them truly believe I am scum, so after I flip town they are shrugging it off and going "not my fault her playstyle sucks"

Isn't this literally what I said earlier word for word bar for bar

[Enchant]

If i am mafia i vote Hu Tao and explain this with eradication of genshin impact avatars.

... Wait. Why I don't do this as town?

[Hu Tao]

If players are playing well they'll vary their playstyle from game-to-game, people in general grossly overestimate their ability to read people, and self-meta is categorically bs. I don't consider any of the meta stuff to be fruitful at all.

Like this.

Self-meta is easy to fake and manipulate as both alignments (but it is effective, ofc). But yeah, if you haven't had like 30+ games with a person, dont trust a meta tell because players are actively aware of their familiarity with other players.

And even after that 30+ games it gets actively fun to play with perceptions of your meta, that's like a key factor of the game.

Thank you. Both of you