Newbie 2117 | Postgame

[Black]

Mala's partner should be in Delta, chao, Kame.

I think in your most recent Delta read you said he's not scum because scum wouldn't have the progression he had D2. Do you still feel this way?

[BlueSnakelet]

Mala's partner should be in Delta, chao, Kame.

I think in your most recent Delta read you said he's not scum because scum wouldn't have the progression he had D2. Do you still feel this way?

I do not.

I townread him before mostly because of a bias of mine. I thought his aggressive behavior was inherently town indicative. But it wouldn't be really that difficult to play aggressively as scum.

[Black]

Ok. I appreciate you answering that for me

[Deltabreedy]

Blue or Kawaii

I pick bkue

[Deltabreedy]

Ewop: as response to 899

See you tomorrow

[Malakittens]

scummy as fuck

and jokes on me bc you arent gonna lim me

If you think i'll roll over and die
lolnope
but good try.

lets move on and dont make me claim
and just lim
delta

[KawaiiKame]

522 - Delta votes for me. Reason: he says pressure vote? On one of his top TRs and one of the most active people in the game? Nah...this is pure OMGUS. Delta votes for me right after I say that I think he's a wolf
538 - Delta unvotes me. Reason: he admits he reacted poorly to me calling him a wolf
560 - Delta votes Blue. Reason: he didn't like Blue rolefishing Andante
724 - Delta doesn't vote here but he declares intent to hammer Kawaii which is really weird considering Blue is his top SR and kawaii is basically non-existent. This was going to be an opportunistic hammer for the scum team because mala set up her vote on kawaii right before this. I unvoted Kawaii right after this because I saw it coming
791 - Delta votes me. Reason: he thinks I made a scumslip and also thinks it's scummy that I wanted to vote for his partner mala. This is about the 5th time Delta has directly or indirectly defended mala
812 - Delta unvotes me. Reason: he says he thinks I might be town with a confirmation bias issue. This unvote comes immediately after Delta said he's never letting a SR of me get away from him again
817 - Delta votes Blue again. Reason: he goes back to saying we're most likely to hit wolf between Blue/Kawaii
846 - Delta votes me again. Reason: more wishy washy takes here from Delta. This is his final vote and clearly an attempt to get the scum team's biggest enemy out of the way D2. I think he wanted to keep his vote on me in 812 but didn't want to end up on the same wagon as mala so he switched to Blue. Once he realized a Blue lim isn't happening he jumps back to me to continue the 1v1

Yeah Delta doesn't act like this as town... he has pure conviction and tunnels who he sees as scum, it takes

fucking forever

to change his mind with great resistance/fighting, town Delta doesn't play like this- he even had to negate you out of the equation to stop tunneling you when he scumread you and was right, even if Delta is town in this he's playing so out of character I will never trust him, if you town then apologies Delta, Idk why you playing so erratically in this
E=1
VOTE: Delta

[Andante]

VOTE: Kawaii

[Deltabreedy]

A meta read

That's it

Ok cool

VOTE: Kawaii

[Deltabreedy]

Mala's progression into a case on me feels very forced, like it's a case borne out of wanting to survive not wanting to find scum.
Kawaii is a historic scumread of mine.
I feel like Blue is setting up to cross with me should I survive D2 and I'm now beyond convinced that both scum are within this. That might be tempered by the lack of interaction from that slot but with nothing to really go on recently I have to go on what I have.

Look there D3 if the hammer does drop on me.

[Black]

Mala's progression into a case on me feels very forced, like it's a case borne out of wanting to survive not wanting to find scum.
Kawaii is a historic scumread of mine.
I feel like Blue is setting up to cross with me should I survive D2 and I'm now beyond convinced that both scum are within this. That might be tempered by the lack of interaction from that slot but with nothing to really go on recently I have to go on what I have.

Look there D3 if the hammer does drop on me.

Could I interest you in voting for mala?

[Black]

Deadline is in 5 hours btw

Where does everyone stand atm? I still think it's mala or Delta today and the kawaii counter wagon is pretty weird

[BlueSnakelet]

Mala is my preferred elimination, but I will hammer Delta if I have to.

[Black]

Unofficial Vote Count:

2.xx

Votecount 2.xx

KawaiiKame (3):

chaodck, Andante, Delta

Deltabreedy (3):

Black, malakittens, KawaiiKame

Malakittens (1):

BlueSnakelet

Not Voting (0):

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: (expired on 2023-04-07 15:21:08)

[Deltabreedy]

Here's an idea, don't hammer me - it's a super bad idea, coming from a super bad read from Black.

What value do I bring to us? - actively looking for scum, considering arguments, weighing opinions and actually trying to win the game for us
What value does Kawaii bring? - Even if you aren't convinced by my argument on Blue, on Kawaii and the progression I've gone through, do any of you seriously have any faith that Kawaii will be here, will be scumhunting, will be doing literally anything D3 to help us all win?

Even if they aren't Lurk!Scum, they're obtusely anti-town and my opinion is that they are in fact scum.

Flip them and find out! Flipping me is a big mistake.

[Deltabreedy]

2 and a half hours and no progression here.

I'd advocate for a no-lim over my own lim, but I'd advocate for a Kawaii lim first because there is a good chance that they are probably scum.

The issue with that is that I feel like Black won't reconsider their reads in good faith at any point, so if I do live through to tomorrow, are they going to dominate conversation and run a mislim?

If Kawaii flips town, I would wager good money that Black is scum, that they would eliminate a Mala/Blue/Chao (whichever isn't their partner) and leave us in a 3v2 wherein they can get Andante to vote along with them - and then them and their partner co-ordinate a vote and that'll be that.

[Deltabreedy]

Mala is my preferred elimination, but I will hammer Delta if I have to.

Why won't you hammer Kawaii?

[Black]

The issue with that is that I feel like Black won't reconsider their reads in good faith at any point

If you just read my posts over the last few pages you would know this isn't true. I've already posted my thoughts on what the solve might be if I'm wrong about you/mala

[Black]

I don't like how you seem to be posturing yourself to push me D3 if Kawaii flips town. To me this feels like you know kawaii is town

[Black]

This is the same thing you did at the end of D1 to position yourself to push Andante D2

[Deltabreedy]

*snip*

Mala's partner should be in Delta, chao, Kame.

With this logic, why will Blue hammer me, not Kawaii (with no progression since this post suggesting that they no-longer believe Kawaii to be scum)?

Lets get rid of Kawaii today, they flip scum and we then have hopefully a result between Black/Blue to see what the craic is for the last mafioso.

Ninja'd:

I'm ngl I haven't spent a lot of time looking into possible solves outside of mala/Delta because I just think I'm right here. But I want to throw these options out into the wild to see what people think of them

Yeah put a lot of work into being open minded here haven't you?

[Deltabreedy]

Black, if you are town, READ #920.

[Deltabreedy]

(not the bit where I quote you and get snarky, please)

[BlueSnakelet]

Delta, do you have a case against Kawaii that goes beyond "well, they're either scum or anti-town and should be eliminated regardless"?

[Black]

Yeah put a lot of work into being open minded here haven't you?

I tunnel pretty bad as town. Just be thankful I was able to pull myself out long enough to consider I could be wrong