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[Mitillos]

@DV: I think we are at Dessew 4, Mala 2, Bri 2, Drew 1, with Kop not voting.

@Dessew: Of course it's nomnomnom on you. You've done zero townie things and any number of scummy things both yesterday and today. No, I didn't hammer Enchant, because they had not claimed at that time and because I thought you were a better elimination, as I wasn't scumreading Enchant. If we got closer to deadline, I'd hammer to avoid ending the day without an elimination, but that's neither here nor there.

You say I refuse to consider the fact that Enchant moved their vote to me. I already have considered it. From what I can tell, there was no deep meaning to it, other than going for the largest wagon that wasn't on scum. I have already said as much, so I'm not sure what more one would need here.

@Kop: you're still not engaging with the fact that the second shot would be on N3, so there is no difference from scum's POV between killing T3 on N1 and killing him on N2.

[Malakittens]

Fine then I won't even bother fucking trying.
I'm trying to eliminate pool by voting.

I'll go back to lurking.

[DeasVail]

and apart from Dessew there’s no one else who I think is thaaat likely to be scum

I intend to vote for bristep, but will wait for a vote count

That was quick, because I have been on Dess’s wagon since D1 apart from a wobble at the start of today. So you’re now saying that either Dess is town, or somehow we’re buddies despite my activity towards them?

Your recent posting changed my mind

[bristep123]

I didn’t ask your reasoning because clearly my activity was what changed your mind, either current or historic - I would like some comment on my questions though. Are you now saying that you read Dess as town?

[DeasVail]

I didn’t ask your reasoning because clearly my activity was what changed your mind, either current or historic - I would like some comment on my questions though. Are you now saying that you read Dess as town?

I haven’t devoted full thought to the viability of you and Dessew being scum together, but the reason for me expressing my intention to vote you is that I think you’re less likely to be town than Dessew.

Will post more on this later today.

[Tchill13]

Fine then I won't even bother fucking trying.
I'm trying to eliminate pool by voting.

I'll go back to lurking.

hey umm... how about you keep trying lol. Obviously im gonna sus you sussing me.

[Dessew]

I didn’t ask your reasoning because clearly my activity was what changed your mind, either current or historic - I would like some comment on my questions though. Are you now saying that you read Dess as town?

I haven’t devoted full thought to the viability of you and Dessew being scum together, but the reason for me expressing my intention to vote you is that I think you’re less likely to be town than Dessew.

Will post more on this later today.

If you think bristep is more likely to be mafia than me, then you also mathematically must think that there's a possibility that bristep is mafia and I'm town. What would scum!bristep's motivation be for defending me at the start of D2 then, when there wasn't even a wagon on me?

[bristep123]

Not defending, thinking out loud. Only the Sith deal in absolutes.

[T3]

Fine then I won't even bother fucking trying.
I'm trying to eliminate pool by voting.

I'll go back to lurking.

my point was that it didn't even seem like your post was trying to make any meaningful analysis in the first place

[Thestatusquo]

VoteCount 2.2

Dessew [ 4 ]

Mitillos, Tchill13, Malakittens, Bristep123

Malakittens [ 2 ]

DeasVail, T3

bristep123 [ 2 ]

RedFF, Doctor Drew

Doctor Drew [ 1 ]

Dessew

Not Voting [ 1 ]

Kop

With 10 alive it takes 6 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2023-04-15 14:45:31)

[DeasVail]

I didn’t ask your reasoning because clearly my activity was what changed your mind, either current or historic - I would like some comment on my questions though. Are you now saying that you read Dess as town?

I haven’t devoted full thought to the viability of you and Dessew being scum together, but the reason for me expressing my intention to vote you is that I think you’re less likely to be town than Dessew.

Will post more on this later today.

If you think bristep is more likely to be mafia than me, then you also mathematically must think that there's a possibility that bristep is mafia and I'm town. What would scum!bristep's motivation be for defending me at the start of D2 then, when there wasn't even a wagon on me?

Okay so I looked back at this because I didn't remember bristep defending you, and from my perspective.. they didn't really? I think the most correct interpretation is that they expressed doubt about their scumread of you, with the caveat that they are rusty, and then proceeded to vote for you anyway.

And then that makes me think that maybe you are defending bristep in order to draw the "but why would Dessew as scum defend bristep-town here?" reasoning, because you think it is something that people should read as town.

(Or you're just scum together which remains possible imo)

[DeasVail]

Regarding Bristep:


What renewed my suspicion of them was that the way that they talk about what they would/would not do as scum... feels very confident for someone who is also using the fact that they haven't played a game in ages and are rusty to explain away suspicion on them. 435 is a fairly detailed speculation on what Bristep would be thinking as mafia, but how do they even know what they would be thinking as mafia if they are so rusty from not having played a game in 5-10 years, as they claim in 432? This also kind of applies to 519 where bristep implies that their "activity towards" Dessew would not occur if they were buddies. Again, how does someone who says they're struggling due to be rusty know how they would be acting/not acting as scum?
I don't think Bristep is lying about being rusty, just using it to explain away suspicion of them more than they would as town, and I think that the theorising on what they would/wouldn't do as scum is because they are actually scum and have thus put thought into this.


505 was also a weird post that set off alarm bells for me because they spend more time arguing against the townread on themselves than the townread on me, plus the approach to Dessew here is strange because it doesn't seem to be coming from a place of thinking that Dessew's inappropriate townreads on Bristep/me is scum whiteknighting (despite Dessew being a prime suspect of Bristep's). I would expect Bristep as town suspecting Dessew in that position to see this as Dessew trying to pocket them, but instead it's like Bristep is just arguing the logic of the townread and that's it. ---> I think this is something that scum will do for the "but why would I argue against a townread on me as scum?" argument.

VOTE: bristep123

[DeasVail]

All that said, Dessew could very much still be scum and I don't have confident-enough reasons to townread them to campaign against that wagon, I just prefer Bristep for scum.

[bristep123]

Fair points, and I know that my claim of game rust is going to be contentious if you suspect me, which you do. That’s not something I can prove, it will be proven though in the end.

And I did think that Dess was trying to sway us by claiming a town read based on mechanics but I left it vague to try and draw some more rationale out of them for the point they were making - more content means more evidence for people to consider.

My only explanation for theorising on what I would do had I had the choice the scum did n1 is that I am confident I would over think things because I do in general in pvp turn based games, I play Warhammer weekly and it’s my biggest weakness.

[Thestatusquo]

Doctor Drew Redff and Kop have been prodded.

[T3]

I think the bristep flip is fairly low-info and I think Mala has been scummier

[Tchill13]

Why is there so much hesitancy regarding dess? Seems like everyone is getting thrown at as scum my as we get close to a dess vote out.

[Doctor Drew]

I think the bristep flip is fairly low-info and I think Mala has been scummier

As I said, not opposed to Mala, just feel there is a better chance in scum between bri and Dessew.

Why is there so much hesitancy regarding dess? Seems like everyone is getting thrown at as scum my as we get close to a dess vote out.

No real hesitancy here, you don't think bri is scum though?

[Tchill13]

I mean I think dess is way more likely than bri.

[redFF]

Hello. I got prodded.

Im treating t3 as conf town. I checked normal guidelines and couldnt find anything that would result in a second kill except for a vig. I saw mala called t3 "probable town" but im pretty sure hes confirmed. If anyone has any reason he might not be confirmed that im not seeing...

[Kop]

@Kop: you're still not engaging with the fact that the second shot would be on N3, so there is no difference from scum's POV between killing T3 on N1 and killing him on N2.

I understand your point that you're making, now that I've thought about it more.

[redFF]

Heres where my reads are rn

Town

T3
TChill
DV
Mittilos
Kop
Malakittens
Dessew
Doctor Drew
Bristep

Scum

[Mitillos]

I mostly agree with red's reads (with him instead of me in the list, obviously), except for Dessew being all the way down (and maybe DV and red swapped? Maybe Drew and mala too?). bri, Drew, and potentially mala if absolutely necessary, are eliminations I wouldn't necessarily oppose, except in the sense that I have a clear preference for a Dessew elimination. The cases against those three don't exactly sway me, but there are question marks there.

[bristep123]

Red I agree with your list with the exception of me obv. I would just switch Drew and Dess around.

[Kop]

I might be the only person that isn't really reading Bri as scum. But I could be wrong.