i know the answer already but indulge meIn post 524, The Bulge wrote: you didnt answer the other part of my question, why are you so sure that i should have commented on drew's slot and why does the fact i didnt make me scumpartners with him?
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There's nothing to comment off of the exchange but apparently 222 was big enough for you to want to comment on? lol get real
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I actually think Drew is scummy for reasons that don't involve the Bianco wagon. He's had a few posts where he is just instigating the situation and I feel like this is the type of lazy scumhunting a wolf would throw out
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Did you just admit you are scum?In post 204, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
You mean like how this one acquiesced in theIn post 203, Doctor Drew wrote: Also, scum is more likely to acquiesce compared to town.opposite directionwhilst Black was asking it to vote with her and you on bianco?In post 347, Doctor Drew wrote:
Upset on the reasons you are caught, or just upset being caught?In post 341, Black wrote: It doesn't really feel like I've found my footing in this game and I seriously can't believe there's a meta wagon on me rnIn post 440, Doctor Drew wrote:
You do seem to care since you have responded trying to defend yourself.In post 439, Black wrote:
I didn't get tilted or give up, and tbh I don't really care if you tr meIn post 428, osuka wrote: i _almost want_ to find a reason to townread black on the basis of town who legitimately got tilted and fucking gave up
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Oh yes it was Bulge, but more about userPython.
I joke around about 'ugh, mech speak' but I get that in certain game types it can come in handy to break things down like that. But it seems like the main conclusion is that 'hey, we should hunt scum'. I think Bulge said it best here
Especially since others have rolled their eyes at the mech speak, and python seemed to double down on it. Almost seems like they are purposely obfuscating the game under the guise of seeming so obvtown on the surface.In post 464, The Bulge wrote:In post 461, The Bulge wrote: your other posts considering nolims are pointless bc why would we ever do that. these mechposts are a waste of time at best and an active distraction from any actual scumhunting/townplay at worst
Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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The explanation in 268 makes it ok-ish but Bulge was catching up real time before you posted it and 203/206/208/212 without that context looks really bad which is why I have a problem with them just ignoring it while still commenting on pretty much everything else that went onIn post 523, Doctor Drew wrote: Yes I did explain the push on Bianco initially, and didn't like how they discredited my questions I had to HPE.
Also, python how did I really push HPE? I took what Black said about HPE's voting style and ran with it, yes I poked/prodded/and pressured, but I never was really thinking of wagoning them. In fact, in retrospect given how Black has been acting, Black could have just been throwing shade at HPE hoping that I WOULD start a push and wagon on HPE(that thought kinda just popped in my head while typing this).
As far as Bulge, I do agree it is odd that they have seemingly danced around discussing me, especially given the discussions surrounding the Bianco wagon and by proxy HPE as well.
Pre Edit: Actually Black my initial push was just off Bianco voting Ice in the manner they did. But my scum read gained strength how they acted after my initial suspicions. And an early game wagon isn't just to figure out the person you put on the wagon, but how everyone else reacts as well.
There was something else about Bulge, but I am phone posting and I want to get this post out and then make sure it was actually Bulge who said it.
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Can anyone that has played with Drew confirm this?In post 529, Doctor Drew wrote: Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol-
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I gave tl;dr's that only explain the conclusion to be made for a reason when I noticed people started complaining about the mathIn post 529, Doctor Drew wrote: Oh yes it was Bulge, but more about userPython.
I joke around about 'ugh, mech speak' but I get that in certain game types it can come in handy to break things down like that. But it seems like the main conclusion is that 'hey, we should hunt scum'. I think Bulge said it best here
Especially since others have rolled their eyes at the mech speak, and python seemed to double down on it. Almost seems like they are purposely obfuscating the game under the guise of seeming so obvtown on the surface.In post 464, The Bulge wrote:In post 461, The Bulge wrote: your other posts considering nolims are pointless bc why would we ever do that. these mechposts are a waste of time at best and an active distraction from any actual scumhunting/townplay at worst
Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol
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There's nothing to obfuscate, the conclusion is there if you hate math and the math is there for people that want to double check my work
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I shit post and have fun, but I really was trying to gauge how genuine your frustrations were, and tbh I am still not sure.In post 531, Black wrote:
Can anyone that has played with Drew confirm this?In post 529, Doctor Drew wrote: Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol
Alice, I do agree with you about Bulge. But I feel their reaction to being questioned about it is more townie than scummy, like they won't acquiesce just to appear towny. But maybe they have just pocketed me since I agree with them about the mech speak lol.
Nameless, the thing is I think your heart is in the right place, but my gut is telling me this is a scum tactic. Which means my brain has to make the final decision, and that isn't good for anyone haha.'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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If this is the case then Drew not mentioning Bulge and Bulge not mentioning Drew until now looks really badIn post 529, Doctor Drew wrote: Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol
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I also haven't mentioned you until now, or Furtive, or Koki, and barely Aureal. In fact, most of my game here has been Bianco and HPE, with a bit of Black and osuka in there as well. Are they all my scum buddies? Are you?In post 535, usesPython wrote:
If this is the case then Drew not mentioning Bulge and Bulge not mentioning Drew until now looks really badIn post 529, Doctor Drew wrote: Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol
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I only talked about Bulge because you(or someone here today) asked me about them. There wasn't much for me to say that wasn't already said, and I repeated. The mech speak post they made was an 'oh ya there was one thing now that you reminded me' sort of thing.
You are attaching me to the Bulge for them not really discussing me, and puts me in a spot where they is no way to defend against that.'dREW DID IT BETTER' - T-Bone
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Associatives are usless if we don't know what drew is yet.In post 502, usesPython wrote: They've got some really bad associatives with Drew and
In post 275, The Bulge wrote: havent looked at drew closely, nothing has pinged me one way or another
never materializedIn post 278, The Bulge wrote: im good for now maybe when im home from work
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Then vote me, what are you waiting for?In post 509, The Bulge wrote:
this smells kinda fake idkIn post 493, Kokichi Oma wrote: It makes the game more exciting. If I was scum, I wouldn't be pushing you Black. You should know this since you're scum.
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Furtive and Aureal are barely playing with how little they've posted, Kokichi was the one pushing the Black wagon so kinda understandable to give them a pass, and yeah it's also weird you haven't mentioned us considering half the thread has just been us getting into arguments with peopleIn post 537, Doctor Drew wrote:
I also haven't mentioned you until now, or Furtive, or Koki, and barely Aureal. In fact, most of my game here has been Bianco and HPE, with a bit of Black and osuka in there as well. Are they all my scum buddies? Are you?In post 535, usesPython wrote:
If this is the case then Drew not mentioning Bulge and Bulge not mentioning Drew until now looks really badIn post 529, Doctor Drew wrote: Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol
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I only talked about Bulge because you(or someone here today) asked me about them. There wasn't much for me to say that wasn't already said, and I repeated. The mech speak post they made was an 'oh ya there was one thing now that you reminded me' sort of thing.
You are attaching me to the Bulge for them not really discussing me, and puts me in a spot where they is no way to defend against that.
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If you're not partnerhunting in multiball how are you even scumhunting rn?In post 538, Kokichi Oma wrote: Associatives are usless if we don't know what drew is yet.
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That's fair, but it's really the length of time for me. Right around 250 posts with only post quoted by Python to really explain the wagon. Not showing your entire hand at once can very much be a good play but if you want a wagon to take off you probably need to give people a reason to vote, unless you're just counting on others also thinking the same about someone before you elaborate.In post 521, Black wrote:
I don't think it's necessarily scummy to start a wagon and withhold the reasoning. It can be but a lot of times people will do this to interpret the reaction. Showing all your cards (ie: your reason for doing it) can impact the reaction so I can see town reasons for withholding the informationIn post 518, HighPrincessErinys wrote: This one still doesn't like Drew and his bianco wagon but it's gripes now are mostly about how he went about starting it and discussing it because he didn't really bring up WHY he did until 432, a good long while after actually starting the wagon which seems counter-intuitive when starting a wagon. Though it also doesn't think it necessarily agrees with his reasoning for it either, but, eh..
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Enchant your predecessor claimedIce Mafia, is this true?
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Can weIn post 485, usesPython wrote: Like there's a theoretical way to guarantee scum can nightkill doctor but it shouldn't be in play this game so the chances of nightkilling the doctor shouldn't be greater than 50%
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Yes. I'm a bit concerned he hasn't claimed Cult yet /s.In post 531, Black wrote:
Can anyone that has played with Drew confirm this?In post 529, Doctor Drew wrote: Pre Edit: Open wolfing is my play style lol
I'm certain Drew actually posted in a very specific way to make sure to pingmespecifically; I won't elaborate further on why. Drew wanted to talk specifically tometo evaluate my reaction more than to the town at large. Take of that what you will, but I don't think it's a specific play that could result from discussing with a partner; I believe it's town.-
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I was under the impression that Kokichi actually read the setup when I posted that. Also yes and no on outing doc being always +EV for scum (it's onlyIn post 545, biancospino wrote:
Can weIn post 485, usesPython wrote: Like there's a theoretical way to guarantee scum can nightkill doctor but it shouldn't be in play this game so the chances of nightkilling the doctor shouldn't be greater than 50%
-Apleasenot do the scum's homework for them? Outing the doc is straight up +EV for scum under optimal play, even if they can't agree on a strategy and have =rand accuracy. Optimal play isn't obvious, let's not do the math on this pleasealmostalways +EV) since it also increases the chances of a No Kill which depending on the gamestate when it happens can just straight up lose scum the game (and in those cases Doc coming out would be +EV)
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Yes, but starting Night with a known doc has a higher EV for both scumteam. I did the math.
Also, depending on when it happens, they have a strategy to make a nokill on doc just never happening, guaranteed. Let's not discuss it until postgame, shall we.
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