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[Andante]

but if it’s exactly the same, why aren’t you as confident in me being scum here?

and @gimli, it very likely is the exact same dynamic

but yeah FL, now you seem pretty sold on me being town, so like if I’m the exact same as scum!me 2 years ago, why am i town now?

@Gimli - Can you please look at that game, mainly Andante-April Ludgate dynamic there compared to here.

It's like the exact same thing. I had caught AndanteScum before, and that's why I felt it so much earlier.

You also just watched most of that Demon Slayer game, right? You saw how I was scum reading Grandpa and then something happened because of the way we interacted, and I started to town read Grandpa heavily? When I start to scum read scum, scum will come after me for a minute, then find out me town reading them is better, but when it fades, they'll attack again.

This IN CONJUNCTION with the case I presented yesterday, and the fact that it's obvious scum did not want Andante faded yesterday, and wasn't helping the wagon, I do believe there is a strong case to be made for Andante scum.

Honestly, the exact same meta cases happening yet again and the similarities between this game and that game are astonishing.

[Andante]

Why am I so low?

MY READS

Hard Town

: Highly likely town. Doubt I ever go back on any of these reads.

Kowahbunga
Gimli /

Cephrir

Greeting
NJAC

Light Town

: Slight town reads that could be wrong but think they are town by play yesterday

GuyInFreezer /

Brickwalll

Heavy Posters

: Given me one reason or more to think they are town but I think I could be fooled by one of them since they seem like advanced players.

If

I'm wrong about one, I don't think it's more than one in this group currently.

Andante
Save The Dragons
Enchant /

Glitch

Flavor Leaf /

Dionysus

Null

: Given me one reason or another to not want them today, but not giving them more than this rating

curiouskarmadog
Skygazer

Unsure/Lurker/Replace

: Self explanatory. Want a replacement for this before I move up or down.

Eiralox /

ballpointpen

Scummy

: Given one or more reason to make me think they are scummy

Bub Bidderskins
MalcolmTucker

Scum

: Highly likely scum

Venmar /

KawaiiKame

[Flavor Leaf]

fish in the sea is definitely one of my best game in general on this site but that’s actually funny the same claims argument happened

And by Andante's own statement, one of their best scum games on site.

This gives merit to the fact that since it worked there, that's what a successful scum game feels like to them.

Andante is a freakin' MASTER manipulator. The Hot and Cold Attitudes depending on where they need to attack is exactly how they play as scum.

Gimli, you have been pocketed by a Master Manipulator.

Truly mean that Andante, you're killing it. You're just scum here.

[Andante]

Hu tao might be an option for me today… I feel like Hu only put me that low because they think people might go back to voting me…

[Andante]

I mean, fish in the sea mirrored my town game pretty well so yeah… ah this crap again…

@Friends/People who TR me, I’m not fighting as hard today as I did d1 against a lim on me, there’s a point where I just go “yes I’m town, but if we’re doing this day after day it doesn’t help anyone, let’s scum continue to coast and this constant 1v1 isn’t fun”

like, now this is gonna shift to meta crap… you do realize my scum games aren’t all like fish in the sea?

fish in the sea is definitely one of my best game in general on this site but that’s actually funny the same claims argument happened

And by Andante's own statement, one of their best scum games on site.

This gives merit to the fact that since it worked there, that's what a successful scum game feels like to them.

Andante is a freakin' MASTER manipulator. The Hot and Cold Attitudes depending on where they need to attack is exactly how they play as scum.

Gimli, you have been pocketed by a Master Manipulator.

Truly mean that Andante, you're killing it. You're just scum here.

[Andante]

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hey FL there’s another scum game for you! wow meta is such a reliable way to read me…

[Andante]

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lol I just realized how often I’m limmed day 1… like yall, just cause I’m excited to be here doesn’t mean town has to kill me…

[Flavor Leaf]

Here's the thing with the meta.

That's the only one with youScum and meTown in it, and meTown can see youScum.

I'd like to see some town games more than more scum games, do you have a few?

[Andante]

i hate how threads look now, harder to find games, meta sucks!!! basically every old game is town me, but I was just scum twice in a row since coming back, so you’d be looking at year+ old meta…

[Andante]

you don’t tr me for this game? like I feel like compared to half the PL im pretty dang towny…

[Andante]

Hu has been talking to me like im town since d1.. and now I’m not top of Hu’s TRs???

[Andante]

but this constant fight of saying I’m town is exhausting. can we either vote me out or establish Im town from here on out today? cause day after day of this will piss people off… especially when the 3 scum + people who know me… KNOW im town here

[Andante]

how do I have like 500 posts.. ughh sorry town that’s behind :/ (haha not sorry to the scum!!)

[Andante]

but yeah FL, this is exhausting

[Flavor Leaf]

Do you have any other scum games besides Fish and the sea where you bussed?

Unfortunately, those scum games you linked are super short because it's a Newbie and a Micro.


I feel kinda bad for it, but I think I got you with a pretty strong case here.

[Enchant]

Heavy Posters

: Given me one reason or more to think they are town but I think I could be fooled by one of them since they seem like advanced players.

If

I'm wrong about one, I don't think it's more than one in this group currently.

Enchant /

Glitch

Wait why i am here

[Flavor Leaf]

but yeah FL, this is exhausting

I understand. =/

For what it's worth, I do think you have a good scum game and are an excellent manipulator. But it takes one to know one

Thing is, you're currently voting me, and were stating a couple pages ago for my elimination specifically after my town read on you had dissipated. That is a pure Hot and Cold attitude. Reward me for town reading you, punish me for scum reading you, and is an extremely powerful scum tool. That's how I caught Catboi, another known excellent manipulator, last year.


So in the past page or so you went from seeing me as scum and pushing me, to this extreme defeatist attitude, which I believe is another tactic, and one that's worked for you before.

VOTE: Andante

But nonetheless, you are scum here.

[Andante]

the one was a town game…
ok cool then vote me out if I’m conf town, we’re dealing with this today not dragging it out, like you just said a page ago if it’s me you someone else in 3 way you vote them, but it’s not like my meta has changed in 5 minutes

[Andante]

right, so when I flip town here, that just makes me shit at maf? if I flipped scum I’d be good, but flipping town? I must just be shit… thanks

but yeah FL, this is exhausting

I understand. =/

For what it's worth, I do think you have a good scum game and are an excellent manipulator. But it takes one to know one

Thing is, you're currently voting me, and were stating a couple pages ago for my elimination specifically after my town read on you had dissipated. That is a pure Hot and Cold attitude. Reward me for town reading you, punish me for scum reading you, and is an extremely powerful scum tool. That's how I caught Catboi, another known excellent manipulator, last year.


So in the past page or so you went from seeing me as scum and pushing me, to this extreme defeatist attitude, which I believe is another tactic, and one that's worked for you before.

VOTE: Andante

But nonetheless, you are scum here.

[Flavor Leaf]

the one was a town game…
ok cool then vote me out if I’m conf town, we’re dealing with this today not dragging it out, like you just said a page ago if it’s me you someone else in 3 way you vote them, but it’s not like my meta has changed in 5 minutes

No, but I went into a deep dive after that.

And Gimli and Enchant just saw me recently with a game that ended go from hard pushing ScumGrandpa as scum, to them being my strongest town read, and then back. And that's also insanely similar here and it's been showing me that my gut is strong here.

I don't think you're as out of this as you think, though. You have the scum advantage in this 1v1 with me, you could win it.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Andante

But nonetheless, you are scum here.

Besties

[Andante]

VOTE: Andante

But nonetheless, you are scum here.

Besties

A fake bestie....

[Enchant]

Idk if andante wanted to survive as mafia...

Just.
Claim.
PR.

Why bus lol.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Andante

But nonetheless, you are scum here.

Besties

A fake bestie....

Sadly, I think you and I both know you were the fake bestie....

[Andante]

like half of me wants to just vote FL cause of this crap, but I still don't know if scum.. like, is FL scum that just realized how TRed I am? and both Eira/Venmar are his partners, so scum!FL kinda has to go back to distracting the game with me.

or is FL town who's so tunneled on me doesn't care that I am in fact town..

I don't really care to deal with that