Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[Drixx]

FB, Kuribo, Dunn and TSQ all seem town to me. I don't like Klick's ISO, most especially the re-entry from VLA.

I'm still on V/LA

Okay. But there's a clear 220 post gap after you announced V/LA, and you clearly made a re-entry with a few posts in a row, and they were bad. Responding with "I'm still on V/LA" is disingenuous at best.

What was bad about them?

Rapid fire posting without substantive content, with a post asking why someone who was not voting you had a vote on you.

Shea, who, besides me, is town?

LAMIST coaching?

What does this mean?

LAMIST = look at me I'm so townie. Titus used an old trick with that post to Shea. Asserted being town and pressed for town reads. Many people reading that would feel pressured to respond, and the premise that Shea thinks Titus is town would be passively accepted.

There's also an angle there that Titus is capable of and would play as scum: tagging her partner to get them engaged in the game, and doing so in a way that looks like she is trying to pocket them, so that if she gets roped, the partner looks good on the later re-read.

I'm also concerned that Titus suggested I was sidestepping, especially after my first post.

Can I get your gym membership?

No gymnastics here my friend. Trying to use an aggressive question to get someone to accept the premise is an old debate trick, as you are certainly aware.

Let's try some actual engagement please.

[Frozen Angel]

He has played dozens of games with me.
And I listed him as one of the people i was hyped to play a game with.

Ive actually always considered dunny to be a mafia friend. So the fact he took my rp as insulting him, was just really baffling to me.

Theres a lot of things to unpackage there I just don't want to right now.

As soon as I started posting you said it wasn't worth listening to me? Did you not?

too emotional defense from dunn really. no try to sort back FB even though the first poke was him going on FB tail.

Maybe Dunnstral is town and Fey is just giving free town points to Dunn for some reason. That take on Dunns questions is just baffling to me.

Okay, you want my attention? You have it now.

I did not think I would need to explain game basics to someone who has been around as long as you, but apparently I was mistaken. As town you ask questions, you receive answers, you evaluate the answers to see where they are coming from and whether the thought process behind them makes sense for town. Sometimes it results in nothing, sometimes you get a better read on someone, but you keep trying. That is one way to scumhunt, and that is what Dunnstral appeared to be doing. So what did you think of those questions then?

I'm also noticing a weird pattern here. First Dunnstral questions you, and you vote them without answering. Dunn says they did not like your post 26, and you accuse Dunn of being scum. I like Dunn's questioning and also dislike how you brazenly declared you did not get a scum role like you wanted, and you accuse me of being scum with Dunn. And then... suddenly you drop the scumread on Dunn, but I'm still scum in your eyes, because why? How is this read progression supposed to make sense? And after all this, you go back to accusing us of being scum together.

What are you smoking? Seems like you believe offense is the best defense, and attacked the two players who had voiced suspicion of you.

wait so you think everyone who asks questions are scumhunting?

also you think he dropped a scum read on you to distract a push against himself?

[Frozen Angel]

Firebringer town

did you came out of vla just to drop this read? does this mean you're caught up?

[Frozen Angel]

Hello Feysal! You seem like an interesting player and I'm looking forward to playing with you

I've not read particularly carefully up to this point as I'm still on V/LA, but is there anyone so far that has made you feel that they are particularly likely to be town?

yeah this doesn't feel right you're either here or you're not. whats the point of reminding the v/la if you're dropping reads and responding? just to not take heat and steer stuff?

[Titus]

Ok Drixx.

You want engagement.

You Brick and Dunn is my current theory.

[Titus]

*Brick = Black

[Frozen Angel]

Lady Lambdadelta's thoughts in my own words:

Titus is fence sitting really hard this game. She is capable of playing this worthlessly as town, but not with a team she has to look out for and with other players she respects.

This is me/Firebringer town and Titus faking reads on both to position herself where she needs to be. She is going out of her way to be middle of the road.

Thestatusquo is almost a scumread because he is asking Titus all these questions and trying to get answers when personality wise he should just be voting her right now to force an answer.

Feysal is town for getting overwhelmed in their interaction with Firebringer.

Klick is town for having sane posts after some other rough posts in the thread.

Black is maybe town due to interactions with Thestatusquo, but both are unlikely to be town together.

DragonEater feels too naive to be mafia and is a gut town read. They would be getting more direction as mafia.

Pink Ball is mafia for the interaction with Feysal about the drinking game being an attempt to be a social townie and slip under the radar.

Also there is at least one lurker mafia right now. Maybe just the one and it is Titus, Thestatusquo, Pink Ball, and one more. The rest of the active posters feel like town.

VOTE: Titus

this post seems to have a lot of linked reads I don't feel these reads are all but I guess people have different intuitive to follow.

I really want you to elaborate the red one cause it makes no sense

[Black]

Ok Drixx.

You want engagement.

You Brick and Dunn is my current theory.

(look shea I did it!)

[Black]

I want more from Pink Ball and Blue

PB seems like they are saying stuff without saying anything, and Blue's reaction to Dunn in 262 feels a bit defensive. I'm not a fan of him interpreting Dunn's 75 as a scumread when all Dunn says is Blue seems awkward and he's not sure where Blue is coming from

VOTE: Blue aka the inferior color

[Frozen Angel]

alright I skimmed game.

lets get some more votes on klick to ruin their VLA

titus says they need more of me, you have it. now I need more of you

someone drop a meta read on feysel. I think there is a good chance feysel is scum for:
1 - not developing reads and being extremely reactionary
2 - the whole scums probably not having fake claims ready - lets break setup with day 1 mass claim fake act

though I also adore their avatar and I still wanna see more of klick

[Black]

Pink, Blue, Black... where is redff?

[Frozen Angel]

oh and I think there is a good chance FB dun was tvt and feysel freaked when FB called out its possibility and went after feysel instead somewhere in those pages.

[Black]

titus says they need more of me, you have it. now I need more of you

Good luck here

FA seems pretty townie in her entrance. The catch up and questions feel really good

[Thestatusquo]

Ok Drixx.

You want engagement.

You Brick and Dunn is my current theory.

(look shea I did it!)

I'm so proud of you

[Dunnstral]

oo emotional defense from dunn really. no try to sort back FB even though the first poke was him going on FB tail.

That isn't emotional defense.

[Pink Ball]

I want more from Pink Ball

Assume I’m V/LA until tonight

[Dunnstral]

this post seems to have a lot of linked reads I don't feel these reads are all but I guess people have different intuitive to follow.

I really want you to elaborate the red one cause it makes no sense

I talk about it in a bit, keep reading

[Black]

ssume I’m V/LA until tonight

Well it seems like you are keeping up with the thread at least so I'll be looking forward to your thoughts later. No rush!

[Feysal]

If a slot posts two different opinions just vote them and say this buzzword “cognitive dissonance”.

Thank you. I was thinking about this when I wrote about Firebringer mixing definitions in their Dunnstral case, but could not remember this expression.

I'm wondering if we can set a game standard where we tag our teammates thoughts if we are going to include them in the game. I feel like it's important to know which thoughts are yours and which thoughts are your teammates.

I'm wondering how the thread feels about this and if this is an unfair request?

Fine by me, I already said I was on my own here.

But I'm not all that fond of just brazenly declaring you're unhappy for not being scum.

Do you think the colored one was an act/could be an act?

Not sure what you mean by act. Firebringer does not need to act brazen as scum, he is. I would not put it past him to rub it in our faces like this.

Dragon entered sounding kind of aggressive?

Elaborate red one.

I've seen Dragon's town games, and got the impression that he was more relaxed in them. I would have expected him to join in on the joke for a laugh, not to tell Firebringer to knock it off. There is a sort of nervousness I get from his play, and I wonder why that is.

In this setup, there are no true power roles. Everyone is equal. Even if you die with a power role, someone else may randomly get it the next day. How does everyone feel about a day one massclaim?

I don't think its actually scummy by nature that you suggested this but I really wanna know your thought process to reach this conclusion.

I see you already found my later post where I explained. Yes, in retrospect it was too good to be true, but for a moment I thought the benefits might outweigh the downsides.

[kuribo]

[snipped out readlist]

VOTE: Titus

I really like most of your takes here, especially on Titus. Willing to vote here actually. And you get bonus town points.
VOTE: Titus

hey dragon

Kinda iffy on dragoneater, the whole "lol why is everyone townreading me" was kinda weird on page two when that wasn't a thing

why is it you can respond to everyone but me?

don't be scared I don't bite

I mean, I absolutely do bite

I honestly somehow missed your post completely? I am gonna read it in a few minutes, but I have to say I don't really understand what kind of response you looking for? You haven't really asked me a question.

I mean there's not much more to read, my main thing is that you meticulously go through responding to people and then don't even question me calling you iffy or wanting to know why I feel that way

[DragonEater70]

Well as I said I missed your post.
Anyway I am not feeling like defending myself today since I am apparently THAT townie (I think I've had 4 people calling me town so far) so I will have to decline the offer to go into defense mode.

Seriously though, if you read my completed games, I basically almost always get a wagon formed on me during RVS (I'm what they call limbait), but this game I got people townreading me instead. So I was quite shocked.

[Pink Ball]

ssume I’m V/LA until tonight

Well it seems like you are keeping up with the thread at least so I'll be looking forward to your thoughts later. No rush!

I am! Just not fully available to post, went to my home town for the weekend with my baby while the mother went to Buenos Aires, a little bit of a chaotic time to start a mafia game, but I’ve been reading to avoid getting behind.

[Drixx]

Ok Drixx.

You want engagement.

You Brick and Dunn is my current theory.

I'm so glad we can try something new this game. /s

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I’ll be strictly phone posting for like next 4 days or so.

So pls try not to wallpost too hard y’all

[DragonEater70]

LLD did miss that actually but it's an empty quote vote and you are being soft on Titus and letting her get away while FB and I were dueling.

Attempting to make it look like LLD is not reading the game is not a townie response to pressure

and

it's a discredit that no one can veritably prove

. In the text you quoted above LLD has made points about specific interactions to

it is pretty clear she is reading

.

Just curious, are these your thoughts or LLD's?

Having our teammates play the game too is going to get hella confusing. Now I have to read 40+ people? XD

IDK, for my team at least I am just posting whatever I want to, and then my teammates give me feedback etc.