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[Bub Bidderskins]

I love how the second we get someone in here who has a fresh look at the game they realize that skygazer is not scummy.

I said it first :^)

Is that true?

I guess I'm committed to defending ckd now. But that also means I need to provide an alternative. I don't think I can get Andante wagon to work with 4 days left.

...Does anyone townread Skygazer?

@Bub

I townread Skygazer

Yesz

Man this feels scummy to me. You're trying to have it both ways -- starting some initial suspicion on Sky, voting for him late in the day:

VOTE: Sky

E-2

This is flipping town though

But then trying to act like you read them as town the whole way.

I think GIF slid under my scumdar for most of the day...but this is really pinging it now.

This sequence looks very damning. GIF was also sorta kinda on the Andante wagon D1 but jumped off when shit got serious and Skygazer started to look like a viable alternative.

[Flavor Leaf]

yeah, if a scum is bussing Andante right now, it's GIF. I don't think it's 100%, but yeah.

This day ends with Andante flip. It opens up entire game too.

[Kowahbunga]

I can't articulate it yet, but I don't like Curious last like 5-10 posts.

It almost feels like they want to come across as disagreeing about Andante, but only so that they can be seen changing their mind.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can't articulate it yet, but I don't like Curious last like 5-10 posts.

It almost feels like they want to come across as disagreeing about Andante, but only so that they can be seen changing their mind.

you're on fire this game. I noticed that somewhat, but not to the extent you're putting it. It's also an 'if' they have to change their mind about it.

CDK can be in the pools I think for the future days, they're stuck with their soft claims already too.

[GuyInFreezer]

By soft you mean ascetic

[Flavor Leaf]

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AndanteScum saying I was setting elims up for the future here as well.

SO since you are doing so much work here and seemed sold....I looked into this game...(kind of). the Scum chat was interesting....there Admante partner coached with..

"just spam as much as you possibly can, when pushed don't use logic, just ate
works evey time"

later Andante says "I'm trying to find my element!!! like, once I'm in the zone, ultimate spamming can begin, cause I have to be fairly genuine too... ahhhh"

later still "lmaooo that sounds like a good plan to me!!! I mean, I helped add 200 posts in a few hours... Aza got overwhelmed, bad look for aza, great for us,"

so spamming is a straight up tactic for Andante..

I got to say, reading this mafia PT, Andante you are more calculating that I gave you credit for here in this game. going to compare the two a bit more.

this doesn't look partnery to me then, and scumCKD doesnt have a lot of reason to defend townAndante, especially if they're waffling on going on or not, however Kowah's post could imply this scum, Andante town, but only can know that after an Andante flip anyways.

But if I recall, CKD said something early day 2 implying they could have been a reason the kill didnt go through the night, which I could WIFOM myself both ways, so yeah, CKD should definitely be in the pool of possible scum as the game goes on.

[GuyInFreezer]

Btw I’m townreading the ascetic claim

[Hu Tao]

I can't articulate it yet, but I don't like Curious last like 5-10 posts.

It almost feels like they want to come across as disagreeing about Andante, but only so that they can be seen changing their mind.

He's only had like 1 decent post all game. Rest have been terrible. But no one wanted him

[Hu Tao]

If there is a vig, trust me and shoot in this block of people tonight

curiouskarmadog
Skygazer
Sheep
Bub Bidderskins
MalcolmTucker
Venmar

[NJAC]

This is flipping town though

Why are you voting it if you're townreading it?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
yeah, Andante is scum locked.

You realize Kitty and GIF were referring to Sky, right?

How exactly does that make Andante scum?

[Hu Tao]

NJAC I'm just going to be blunt. Do you have some sort of guilty on venmar or no?

[NJAC]

NJAC I'm just going to be blunt. Do you have some sort of guilty on venmar or no?

If I had considered necessary to reveal more info, I would have done it already. I'm going to be NKed soon, so Town will see the whole picture anyway.

[curiouskarmadog]

I can't articulate it yet, but I don't like Curious last like 5-10 posts.

It almost feels like they want to come across as disagreeing about Andante, but only so that they can be seen changing their mind.

Ill make it clearer for you. I dont like the Andante wagon. I dont understanding why (now) multiple people say the Andante flop will help them "reassess the game" or "open up the game"

so give a flop what does say about me? if they are scum, am I protecting a buddy? if they are town, am I trying to get town cred?

or maybe...just maybe..

I dont like the wagon and I feel like there is a whole game of scummy people here that would MORE telling if they flipped. TO INCLUDE ME! There has been MULTIPLE people say they thought I was scummy for this reason or that, but are leaning on this wagon.

so how do you "feel" about my posts now. any confusion?

[curiouskarmadog]

By soft you mean ascetic

weeeeeeelllll fuck... there it is.

guess thats my full claim then.

[curiouskarmadog]

But if I recall, CKD said something early day 2 implying they could have been a

reason the kill didnt go through the night

, which I could WIFOM myself both ways, so yeah, CKD should definitely be in the pool of possible scum as the game goes on.

I did, but later redacted that. I dont stop kills.

[curiouskarmadog]

Btw I’m townreading the ascetic claim

apparently you are the only one who put it together.

or....?

[curiouskarmadog]

Venmar, Malcolm, Eira, Sky, Enchant, GIF

FIXED

I just realized I did the list backwards in the middle sorry

If there is a vig, trust me and shoot in this block of people tonight

curiouskarmadog
Skygazer
Sheep
Bub Bidderskins
MalcolmTucker
Venmar

Pretty big net you got there.

[curiouskarmadog]

why vig me if I am not even in your top 5 scummy players?

is that because I am not reading you are town?

[curiouskarmadog]

*as town.

[curiouskarmadog]

Also, why not let scum deal with me. at night, I cant be protected (why I told the doc Day 1 to not target me) or jail kept. I think I am barking up the right trees today. Scum need a kill and I will be an easy one.

[Flavor Leaf]

Hu Tao is just scum trying to get a vig pool going, CKD.

I'm leaning town with CKD despite some of the weird stuff. It feels more genuine than say NJAC/Hu Tao's posts, and at least I can see a thought process.

I think NJAC solves themselves if they are town, but their posting lately seems like they had to turn on some things.

Hu Tao has one clear objective here and it's to protect a buddy.

They can't make a Venmar case or they out that they don't really scum read them.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact both NJAC/Hu Tao brought up where the vig should be shooting in the way they both did guarantees to me that there's scum there. I don't think it's impossible they're S/S, but it's probably not both of them.

Regardless, I still want Andante before either of them. I'll reformat the case tonight.

[Flavor Leaf]

I dont like the wagon and I feel like there is a whole game of scummy people here that would MORE telling if they flipped. TO INCLUDE ME! There has been MULTIPLE people say they thought I was scummy for this reason or that, but are leaning on this wagon.

Explain why you think there are others that would be more telling than Andante at this point, because I hard disagree with this sentiment.

Andante was a main wagon today and Day 1, meaning there are tons and tons of different things that has happened around them, so I have absolutely no clue who you could possibly mean that would be more telling.

On top of that, there's like 6 legit cases and reasons to why Andante is just objectively scum here, such as the Kitty hop off even though they said it was in their pool, the legit actions from Meta games, like the 'aahhhh im scared' specifically when Andante had bussed a partner before.

The pure fact that scum clearly do not want Andante eliminated.

The Reward/Punish gameplay which is a clear Conditioned response.

Idk, CKD, that line just doesn't hold up.

[Flavor Leaf]

I can literally go on and on about the different reasons Andante is objectively scum here, and I have, but I haven't done it in the past couple days, because I've been more focused on Hu Tao.

I don't know what to tell ya, CKD. Andante's just scum here, and integrated with the most, so their flip opens up the game more than anyone without a doubt here.

[curiouskarmadog]

I dont like the wagon and I feel like there is a whole game of scummy people here that would MORE telling if they flipped. TO INCLUDE ME! There has been MULTIPLE people say they thought I was scummy for this reason or that, but are leaning on this wagon.

such as the Kitty hop off even though they said it was in their pool,

can you show me where this is (again?)? I feel like I have reread day 1, 4 times now and that did not stick out. Then I got lost in meta reading.