TM 2023 | Open: PYP S_TM | Endgame

[Lady Lambdadelta]

not when you continued to berate and bait me, but it was REALLY important that everyone know you didn't mean it.

not when i asked you to disengage about 3 times but you couldn't bring yourself to do it

not when alisae was complaining about our argument and you needed to chirp in to remind everyone explicitly that i was the worst

and not now when you're describing my interactions with another player as gross and paiting the thread for... attempting to solve the game and not further clog the thread with this.

i tried to walk away. i tried to be done.

and you're still out here making it personal but pretending it isn't and then any response i give you're gonna do this whole song and dance about how much of the victim you are so...

do your dance, please. i'm done. you win. i'm a piece of shit and you're a brillliant hero for standing up to me and putting me in my place.

come get your sash and crown

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I would dm you or something but ongoing game, can you please remember that that's what we're doing here and that I personally like you a lot and that while I suspect you are lying to me I just want to play a game with you and find all the hostility pretty hurtful.

<3

and how will it feel when you find out i'm not lying

[Lady Lambdadelta]

gonna blame the end result on me? I'm the bad guy after all, maybe it's my fault that I convinced you I was scum and if i'd only tried just a little harder i could have redeemed myself but no, it's my own damn fault, right?

[Ythan]

Jeez

[Alisae]

I think it’s an emotional read because it doesn’t make sense. LLD wants to kill the 6s. That includes me.
Sure we could be playing off each other, but if this was our aim why would she aim to put me in her wolf pool? That doesn’t make sense. I imagine she would want to keep me alive if we’re wolves together.

Like it’s a read I feel like doesn’t really take into consideration what LLD wants to actually do. I can see a read like this coming from a wolf but I really don’t think that’s the case. I think this is a read that is likely to come from town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

the worst part is the check-ins from you where you keep telling me like "oh it's a game, i like you a lot"

that's the worst part

because some part of me goes "right this is supposed to be my friend"

and then i read another snide backhanded potshot or go back and read the "please, LLD vs Ythan" bit, and I just don't know what to do.

I'm legitimately hurt. I'm frustrated, I'm tired, I can't sleep, and you're asking me to check back in with you that everything is okay.

i'd fucking like it to be, personally. i'd love if the line between game and not game was there for me right now and i could go "yep, this is where it is and it's a game".

but I'm struggling with everything right now. I'm on about 4-6 hours of sleep in the past 72. I'm not asking for anyone's fucking pity or to townread me because i'm a fucking meltdown away from a psychotic break, but i told you this,

Friend

and you kept pushing it anyway, to the point of breaking.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

i want to tell you "yes, it's okay, we're friends and even if i'm really upset with you right now it's going to be fine"

but i can't seem to write that without bursting into tears and getting angry?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

and it's because you keep bringing it up that it hurts more

you say it and then you do the "lld is the villain" thing

you say it in the same breath as all of this

i call you the worst, the tamest possible thing i could say to you in that cirucmstance. trying my best to just... deescalate and calm myself and you still post that whole thing and then turn around like "it's just a game"

it's supposed to be, it is. it's just a game so why do i feel like this

[Bellaphant]

I think it’s an emotional read because it doesn’t make sense. LLD wants to kill the 6s. That includes me.
Sure we could be playing off each other, but if this was our aim why would she aim to put me in her wolf pool? That doesn’t make sense. I imagine she would want to keep me alive if we’re wolves together.

Like it’s a read I feel like doesn’t really take into consideration what LLD wants to actually do. I can see a read like this coming from a wolf but I really don’t think that’s the case. I think this is a read that is likely to come from town.

I'm kind of here but I really/really/really don't want to spend the next 100 pages arguing about whether we should elim only in the sixes, when the answer is only 'maybe'.

Is it optimal? Possibly. Is it correct in this game? Slightly less possibly. Are we ever going to get everyone to do it?

Impossible.

So let's start scum hunting instead?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think it’s an emotional read because it doesn’t make sense. LLD wants to kill the 6s. That includes me.
Sure we could be playing off each other, but if this was our aim why would she aim to put me in her wolf pool? That doesn’t make sense. I imagine she would want to keep me alive if we’re wolves together.

Like it’s a read I feel like doesn’t really take into consideration what LLD wants to actually do. I can see a read like this coming from a wolf but I really don’t think that’s the case. I think this is a read that is likely to come from town.

the read makes some kind of sense, i did say i had a reason for not going after you first, it's not the logic of the read, though the logic for the reads is bad

it's the constant positioning where i get baited to be the badguy, i get tilted and frustrated and wound up and it's my own fucking fault for not being more capable of putting a fucking clamp on my emotions and getting myself wound up

the read makes sense, if Ythan believes I'm scum, though Ythan did earlier say he thought I was buddying you so ? that's a bit weird but it's whatever

it's all invalidated by how i'm being right now

people will look at this, get frustrated with my reaction over ythan's much more reasonable looking ones and just kill me

[Gimli]

15 pages already wah

[Alisae]

I think it’s an emotional read because it doesn’t make sense. LLD wants to kill the 6s. That includes me.
Sure we could be playing off each other, but if this was our aim why would she aim to put me in her wolf pool? That doesn’t make sense. I imagine she would want to keep me alive if we’re wolves together.

Like it’s a read I feel like doesn’t really take into consideration what LLD wants to actually do. I can see a read like this coming from a wolf but I really don’t think that’s the case. I think this is a read that is likely to come from town.

I'm kind of here but I really/really/really don't want to spend the next 100 pages arguing about whether we should elim only in the sixes, when the answer is only 'maybe'.

Is it optimal? Possibly. Is it correct in this game? Slightly less possibly. Are we ever going to get everyone to do it?

Impossible.

So let's start scum hunting instead?

I want the other players in mafia game to post

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think it’s an emotional read because it doesn’t make sense. LLD wants to kill the 6s. That includes me.
Sure we could be playing off each other, but if this was our aim why would she aim to put me in her wolf pool? That doesn’t make sense. I imagine she would want to keep me alive if we’re wolves together.

Like it’s a read I feel like doesn’t really take into consideration what LLD wants to actually do. I can see a read like this coming from a wolf but I really don’t think that’s the case. I think this is a read that is likely to come from town.

I'm kind of here but I really/really/really don't want to spend the next 100 pages arguing about whether we should elim only in the sixes, when the answer is only 'maybe'.

Is it optimal? Possibly. Is it correct in this game? Slightly less possibly. Are we ever going to get everyone to do it?

Impossible.

So let's start scum hunting instead?

it's not only, it's one day. One day!

The Day One Elimination Should Be A 6. That's ALL. Read them, read the whole game, but pick the 6 you scumread the most and kill them, at the end of the day.

That's what I'm pitching. Tomorrow, we react to night results to the day 1 flip to... all of it.

[Gimli]

if anything aren't the 6s less likely to be scum cause no coordination? like scum wouldn't pile on the number 6

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if anything aren't the 6s less likely to be scum cause no coordination? like scum wouldn't pile on the number 6

no that's

again scum don't know what numbers town pick

so if scum split into 3 different numbers the odds that one of those numbers hits a triple up is much higher than any townie hitting it, by 3:1. Coincidentally about the historical odds that groups of 3+ same number pickers contain at least 1 scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

fuck i'm gonna come off as condescending becuase i'm frustrated

sorry in advance, gimli

[Lady Lambdadelta]

that's an adaptation from our prior open game, trying to not...

this feels like the "town must follow confirmed town" thing all over again so i'm trying to explain it without being condescending but i'm struggling

[Menalque]

Of the 363 posts 324 are from 3 players

That’s fully 89%, you’ve done another 2 pages of what is presumably repeating the same argument in the time it took me to shower and get to the metro

Can the three of you please stfu for like 24 hours, I dont care who started it or who is baiting who, if it doesn’t stop I will lim any of you who gets votes at any point in the game because it is that annoying

Pedit: and another 3 since I typed that

[Menalque]

On seconds thoughts sorry, I’m irritable because I’m so low on sleep but pls see that this is not healthy for the game no matter how important you think what you have to say is, please tone it down a bit

[Gimli]

if anything aren't the 6s less likely to be scum cause no coordination? like scum wouldn't pile on the number 6

no that's

again scum don't know what numbers town pick

so if scum split into 3 different numbers the odds that one of those numbers hits a triple up is much higher than any townie hitting it, by 3:1. Coincidentally about the historical odds that groups of 3+ same number pickers contain at least 1 scum.

that just makes 6 the number people picked the most.

otoh the 6 is also the number that contains more townies, cause if scum splitted then its 2/3 or 3/3 town in it

while lets say a number that was only picked once has 0 or 1 scum and 0 or 1 town

you're just discovering 6 was the most picked number in the game and 'figuring out' its more likely to contain scum while forgetting its just the one with the most *PEOPLE* in it

given last time you were extremely loud like this about wanting to control things you were scum, and this is clearly not how to scumhunt, I'll go ahead and ignore it from this point forward since I just explained why I think its wrong

so, okay

any leans on anyone, LLD?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

On seconds thoughts sorry, I’m irritable because I’m so low on sleep but pls see that this is not healthy for the game no matter how important you think what you have to say is, please tone it down a bit

i'd be a hypocrite if i said i didn't understand this at this point, you're fine, trust me you're fine compared to my mess rn

i'm trying to tone it down, i'm not succeeding lol, but i'm trying

[Bellaphant]

Your response doesnt really address my point, lld.

I get what you are saying, trust me. But that's kinda ...not the point.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if anything aren't the 6s less likely to be scum cause no coordination? like scum wouldn't pile on the number 6

no that's

again scum don't know what numbers town pick

so if scum split into 3 different numbers the odds that one of those numbers hits a triple up is much higher than any townie hitting it, by 3:1. Coincidentally about the historical odds that groups of 3+ same number pickers contain at least 1 scum.

that just makes 6 the number people picked the most.

otoh the 6 is also the number that contains more townies, cause if scum splitted then its 2/3 or 3/3 town in it

while lets say a number that was only picked once has 0 or 1 scum and 0 or 1 town

you're just discovering 6 was the most picked number in the game and 'figuring out' its more likely to contain scum while forgetting its just the one with the most *PEOPLE* in it

given last time you were extremely loud like this about wanting to control things you were scum, and this is clearly not how to scumhunt, I'll go ahead and ignore it from this point forward since I just explained why I think its wrong

so, okay

any leans on anyone, LLD?

the last time i was this loud about wanting to control things was the open Lavos game we just played where you were scum and I was town. That I just referenced.

Also, your logic is wrong.

[Bellaphant]

The other issue is, if people are impressionable, like me, the only take away they are gonna have is that the 'reasonable' responses (me, imag, alissy, gimli) are town, and those aren't even particularly good takes!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Your response doesnt really address my point, lld.

I get what you are saying, trust me. But that's kinda ...not the point.

oh i get the point, i get that people aren't gonna do it, but if people are just going to ignore a swath of historical evidence about these kinds of games i struggle to understand why people picked to play the open in the first place.