In post 997, Pink Ball wrote:
@Black are you restraining yourself from tunneling on purpose? If so, who would you be tunneling right now?
I don't think so? I think this change has already developed within my playstyle to the point where I'm catching it subconsciously. But then again I don't think anyone has been scummy enough to tunnel, so I'm not sure
Had to ask. It's not happening to me, but maybe people who have read your meta have this feeling not that you're doing something different, but that you feel disingenuous in this game and that would be true if you're actually restraining yourself.
In post 1005, Save The Dragons wrote:
im sorry that i'm scum reading you shea but i think there's something there i got to explore
I don't blame you because like I said I purposefully try to stay in my scum range all the time but I feel like this is the first game I have tryharded in in a very long time so it still felt...crappy.
Explore away. I'll keep trying to find scum while you're exploring. Like I said I like where you're poking besides me and clearly we strongly disagree on black.
i'm a very vibey player and i sort of play by sense of smell, i don't really make cases and if i do they're pretty shoddy because the truth is i kind of go with my gut
i'm a very vibey player and i sort of play by sense of smell, i don't really make cases and if i do they're pretty shoddy because the truth is i kind of go with my gut
"Gut" is just your brain trying to alert you to something, if it's legitimate. IMO.
i like it because i think people get annoyed by it, especially scum. i feel like drixx's response is a little more "caught for the wrong reasons" than shea's
In post 1007, Thestatusquo wrote:
I don't blame you because like I said I purposefully try to stay in my scum range all the time but I feel like this is the first game I have tryharded in in a very long time so it still felt...crappy.
Can you elaborate on the things you do to try and stay in your scum range, and would you say you're doing them this game even though you're tryharding?
In post 1007, Thestatusquo wrote:
I don't blame you because like I said I purposefully try to stay in my scum range all the time but I feel like this is the first game I have tryharded in in a very long time so it still felt...crappy.
Can you elaborate on the things you do to try and stay in your scum range, and would you say you're doing them this game even though you're tryharding?
A good example is I am incredibly performative as town. I know I'm prone to gusto and performative posting as scum so I deliberately do it as town in order to stay balanced.
Another example is posting things like read lists. I actually think they're generally pretty useless but people tend to town read the effort behind them so I like to do them as scum for town cred sometimes which means I have to do them as town too even though I think they're mostly noise.
I would say yes I am being deliberately performative in my interactions with you because I know I would be as scum.
In post 963, Thestatusquo wrote:
I told you how you can help me find a town read on you and it involves sharing thoughts in depth on the parts of the game that I feel like you've been ignoring and actually feeling like you care. You can start with firebringer vs feysal vs dragoneater, your choice.
Shea I haven't commented about our first engagement and the subsequent post you made about my lack of engagement, but I felt at that point that you were pushing for LhF rather than actually wanting to solve be. Now that I've seen how you've pushed Black, I believe that you are actually trying to solve, but the way you do it gives no space to the players to develop and you tend to scumread said players. I don't know if that's you making those players look scummier or a bias you have; I'm more inclined to the latter right now. If that's true, maybe giving Black some space is the right course of action right now if you actually want to get a grasp on her alignment, rather than keep pushing and pushing.
Do you really think I would conceive of your slot as low hanging fruit? That doesn't feel like a real thought you would have?
As for black I am explicitly already giving her space now. I think I've made it very clear why I have a problem with how she's approached this game and what she can do to make me feel more comfortable about her slot.
In post 1016, Thestatusquo wrote:
Do you really think I would conceive of your slot as low hanging fruit? That doesn't feel like a real thought you would have?
I don't recall having played together before this game. You thinking that you could start a wagon on me when I was being underwhelming is not a long shot, is it?
We haven't played together, no. But I know who you are and we've interacted a bit in site ideas.
I also don't think my scum game really involves much going for low hanging fruit in the early game and I struggle to see why that would be a reason to scum read someone. Like what do you think my motivation would be? Just start a wagon on you and hope you never post?
In post 1018, Thestatusquo wrote:
We haven't played together, no. But I know who you are and we've interacted a bit in site ideas.
I also don't think my scum game really involves much going for low hanging fruit in the early game and I struggle to see why that would be a reason to scum read someone. Like what do you think my motivation would be? Just start a wagon on you and hope you never post?
No yeah I know we know each other, but I think the mafia realm is a whole different thing so believing that I could be LhF is not something outside of the box.
More than actually hoping that I never post, it is a good strategy to jump on someone that's being underwhelming to subvert them and get them in a position where they'll continue to be underwhelming even if they try to get outside of that.
This could be me projecting my own old meta where I used to jump eagerly into games being funny and trying to be friendly only to find people scumreading me and not being able to contribute at all after that, bear in mind. But my initial thought about your approach on my slot didn't feel like that, it felt like what I described early in this post: subverting me to leave me out of the game early.
In post 1018, Thestatusquo wrote:
We haven't played together, no. But I know who you are and we've interacted a bit in site ideas.
I also don't think my scum game really involves much going for low hanging fruit in the early game and I struggle to see why that would be a reason to scum read someone. Like what do you think my motivation would be? Just start a wagon on you and hope you never post?
No yeah I know we know each other, but I think the mafia realm is a whole different thing so believing that I could be LhF is not something outside of the box.
More than actually hoping that I never post, it is a good strategy to jump on someone that's being underwhelming to subvert them and get them in a position where they'll continue to be underwhelming even if they try to get outside of that.
This could be me projecting my own old meta where I used to jump eagerly into games being funny and trying to be friendly only to find people scumreading me and not being able to contribute at all after that, bear in mind. But my initial thought about your approach on my slot didn't feel like that, it felt like what I described early in this post: subverting me to leave me out of the game early.
Do you think you've continued to be underwelming? I kind of think you have even though I haven't pressured you for it because I got distracted elsewhere, but I still don't feel like you've been very forthcoming with reads at all.
No, I don't think so anymore. I haven't given a wide spectacle of my reads but I'm doing that on purpose now, but there other ways of contributing and I'm doing it
Hah it's funny that you're asking that. No, I wouldn't describe my town game as that, but I am absolutely aiming for that in this particular game, because of my last TM game, on 2021
