TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[Shirou]

LOCKTOWN Shirou

If you call me locktown in capslock like this I'm can't help but BLUSH, DGB!

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm thinking Ausuka is scum tjat knows Koba is town.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am thinking that Ausuka is scum that knows Koba is town.

[DrippingGoofball]

It was worth repeating.

[Shirou]

It was worth repeating.

It was!

Probably?!

If Arko wagon doesn't happen as we approach deadline would you then be willing to become my new BESTIE and stand in SOLIDARITY with me on Ausuka wagon?

[Kowahbunga]

I'm not currently caught up with the thread. I was checking Discord and Cephir has made it abundantly clear that xofelf is as town as town gets this game. Cephrir has requested that anyone scum reading xofelf should be killed.

Ydrasse is also a town lean for Ceph.

Save the Dragons has also given me a town read on Ausuka after I asked them to ISO them for me while I am at work.

[Ausuka]

Also the irony of your read on me vs your read on Italiano is pretty palpable.

In your own words:

come on the guy just is not here that's different.

But also, you're dismissing his read list as "activity bases sorting" at the same time he has Aisa/Malakittens (not inactive but not that active) as top town reads over me, by far the most active one.

You can say his ISO is bad without trying to dismiss everything he has done, I feel he has pushed a gamesolve including town reads in far less time than you've been here for.

If he was leaning scum on me early I don't see any reason for him to be so vague about his suspicion and shut me down when I was asking why he thought my vote was scum and just repeat "it's my perception" - at the time, he said he was very interested in my vote on him as something that was scummy, but that response of "because I said so" does not make sense if that's the case - just refusing to both show the thought process of his read and get a better read on me through discussion of what happened. I don't see how that makes sense as sorting.

His readslist was also just, like, a list? Looking at the reasoning and thoughts he gave, the activity thing and the early thing about me voting him that he refused to elaborate about is all there is in his entire ISO and he has quite a lot of posts.

[Ausuka]

I am thinking that Ausuka is scum that knows Koba is town.

why

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 1.13

ItalianoVD (3):

Ausuka, DeasVail, DkKoba

DkKoba (2):

mastina, Kowahbunga

Ausuka (2):

ItalianoVD, Shirou

Shirou (1):

Malakittens

Arko (1):

DrippingGoofball

DeasVail (1):

xofelf


Not Voting (3): Arko, Aisa, Ydrasse

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2023-04-26 08:34:25)

Mod Notes

• mastina v/la through 4/21

[DrippingGoofball]

It was worth repeating.

It was!

Probably?!

If Arko wagon doesn't happen as we approach deadline would you then be willing to become my new BESTIE and stand in SOLIDARITY with me on Ausuka wagon?

You won't have to beg me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Your argument was surprisingly boring and based on the idea that 180s are scummy. Like, I don't care about Koba's meta, they aren't scummy period.

I don't see why you expect me to engage with your points when you have totally ignored mine the entire time

For this post.

[DrippingGoofball]

How much of the Italiano wagon is antipathy?

[Ausuka]

Your argument was surprisingly boring and based on the idea that 180s are scummy. Like, I don't care about Koba's meta, they aren't scummy period.

I don't see why you expect me to engage with your points when you have totally ignored mine the entire time

For this post.

Ok but why does saying 180s aren't scummy mean I know koba is town

[DrippingGoofball]

You said "they aren't scummy period.'

That's the kind of certainty that only scum can boast of... especially with a player as impenetrable as Koba.

[Ausuka]

I don't think koba can't be scum. Shirou was making a big deal of "Well, everyone says that doing scummy things is NAI for them, you shouldn't care and you should kill them anyway cos scum say that." But doing a 180 isn't scummy in the first place.

I guess this explanation is believable at least shrug

[DeasVail]

How much of the Italiano wagon is antipathy?

I’m feeling pretty decent about it

[mastina]

Mod: V/LA 48 hours

Am passing out rn, need sleep.

Quick update, something is definitely wrong with me medically (my passing out is getting worse, despite an increase in hours slept), but heck if I know what. I already went to the doctor for it, and they are clueless. (I have follow-through blood work a month after my initial blood work to see if I improve. But I am not improving.)

They ordered a cardiologist appointment, which I am currently at, but chances I get answers are...shall we say, quite low.

I did get a peak at my team discord, I saw at least one teammate give thoughts, but I didn’t have the time to read it all.

I'll see about paraphrasing their thoughts and catching up when I am home.

Apologies for the delay.

[Aisa]

Spoiler:

What do you think town would have done differently there?

No I wasn't actually scumreading Koba

Town does a lot of different things, so who knows, but I would've taken it in stride and kept an eye on them. My point is why ask a question if your vote is a forgone conclusion. To clarify, I'm not saying your vote was, but that's how I perceived it. You asked, I answered, my answers weren't good enough for you, vote.

Ok, so what about that suggests it was a foregone conclusion? Isn't that just contradictory to the idea that your answers weren't good enough?

My perception.

I can kind of understand townreading Italiano's ate but I don't think there's anything substantial from him. His play doesn't really feel like genuine scumhunting to me at all.

I think the most egregious part of his play so far was when I asked about his scumread on my questioning and he tried to play it off as "I'm not saying your read was fake, but my perception was that it is" which is obviously bizarre.

When I asked about it he just repeated that it's his perception without like elaborating on the read. It felt like he was saying something he couldn't back up, and it definitely did not feel like a genuine thought process.

On rereading, I think the bolded makes the original interaction sound worse than it was. Italiano's post seems fairly straightforward, he's saying something like "I got this feeling that you were going to scumread me no matter what I said. I'm not saying you were but that's just what it felt like." I think this is a normal thing to say?

Especially because "you were going to scumread me no matter what" is not particularly nice to say to someone who could be town. It implies that the person could be being irrational, asking pointless questions, so it's natural he wanted to sweeten it by clarifying that's the subjective feeling he felt.

What is bizarre to me is that Italiano did not point this out sooner, he votes Ausuka in his next post but didn't say anything.

On the other hand Italiano's push is certainly unusual ("I got the feeling you were going to scumread me no matter what" is probably not going to be persuasive to anyone other than him) so I wouldn't say it's like, amazingly towny either.

Other than that push the main things he has done is the AtE, making the shit-stirry comment about DGB and like, making broad strokes about activity instead of actually solving. I think there is a lack of genuine scumhunting in his posts and like I have not seen a compelling reason to townread him aorn.

I think the generic point that he hasn't done that much that is obviously towny is valid.

Just worth saying explicitly that Italiano has mentioned it might just be that his playstyle is unusual and he does strike me as a bit of an unconventional player. And that's what's playing in my mind right now; I don't think the slot is conventionally towny but I'm trying to figure out how to adjust to his character.

[Aisa]

Oh I see Shirou made a similar point in 768 sorry kinda glossed over that posting earlier

[Aisa]

I'm down to wagon Italiano today but I find Ausuka's reaction to Shirou's scumread more actively suspicious so I'm gonna hop on here for now.
VOTE: Ausuka

[Ausuka]

Spoiler:

What do you think town would have done differently there?

No I wasn't actually scumreading Koba

Town does a lot of different things, so who knows, but I would've taken it in stride and kept an eye on them. My point is why ask a question if your vote is a forgone conclusion. To clarify, I'm not saying your vote was, but that's how I perceived it. You asked, I answered, my answers weren't good enough for you, vote.

Ok, so what about that suggests it was a foregone conclusion? Isn't that just contradictory to the idea that your answers weren't good enough?

My perception.

I can kind of understand townreading Italiano's ate but I don't think there's anything substantial from him. His play doesn't really feel like genuine scumhunting to me at all.

I think the most egregious part of his play so far was when I asked about his scumread on my questioning and he tried to play it off as "I'm not saying your read was fake, but my perception was that it is" which is obviously bizarre.

When I asked about it he just repeated that it's his perception without like elaborating on the read. It felt like he was saying something he couldn't back up, and it definitely did not feel like a genuine thought process.

On rereading, I think the bolded makes the original interaction sound worse than it was. Italiano's post seems fairly straightforward, he's saying something like "I got this feeling that you were going to scumread me no matter what I said. I'm not saying you were but that's just what it felt like." I think this is a normal thing to say?

Especially because "you were going to scumread me no matter what" is not particularly nice to say to someone who could be town. It implies that the person could be being irrational, asking pointless questions, so it's natural he wanted to sweeten it by clarifying that's the subjective feeling he felt.

What is bizarre to me is that Italiano did not point this out sooner, he votes Ausuka in his next post but didn't say anything.

On the other hand Italiano's push is certainly unusual ("I got the feeling you were going to scumread me no matter what" is probably not going to be persuasive to anyone other than him) so I wouldn't say it's like, amazingly towny either.

Other than that push the main things he has done is the AtE, making the shit-stirry comment about DGB and like, making broad strokes about activity instead of actually solving. I think there is a lack of genuine scumhunting in his posts and like I have not seen a compelling reason to townread him aorn.

I think the generic point that he hasn't done that much that is obviously towny is valid.

Just worth saying explicitly that Italiano has mentioned it might just be that his playstyle is unusual and he does strike me as a bit of an unconventional player. And that's what's playing in my mind right now; I don't think the slot is conventionally towny but I'm trying to figure out how to adjust to his character.

I mean I don't think it's super straightforward to say "I'm not saying it was but I perceived that it was" and to refuse to clarify afterwards? And more broadly, even if this is true I don't think it changes that his push on me was stretched and like, again, when I asked about it to see if there was a plausible explanation, he wouldn't indicate what about the things I said gave the impression I was always going to vote him. This is the only reason he's given for scumreading me, who is apparently his strongest read in the game by a lot, and I don't think the interaction (or lack of it) really makes sense for town who is trying to sort me

[Malakittens]

I haven’t read majority of the game since my vacation.

@Shirou:

Part of the reason why I voted you is because I was drunk, but prior to that I actually didn’t like some of your posts. I also didn’t like how you engaged that 1v1 with me. It’s something that just didn’t sit right with me.

I still have to mull over all those pages in which I still. It just probably will be tomorrow.

Also on a side note:
dV I had a dream with you in it & idk why and how I feel about it LOL

[Malakittens]

Mod: V/LA 48 hours

Am passing out rn, need sleep.

Quick update, something is definitely wrong with me medically (my passing out is getting worse, despite an increase in hours slept), but heck if I know what. I already went to the doctor for it, and they are clueless. (I have follow-through blood work a month after my initial blood work to see if I improve. But I am not improving.)

They ordered a cardiologist appointment, which I am currently at, but chances I get answers are...shall we say, quite low.

I did get a peak at my team discord, I saw at least one teammate give thoughts, but I didn’t have the time to read it all.

I'll see about paraphrasing their thoughts and catching up when I am home.

Apologies for the delay.

Postural hypotension?

[Aisa]

if this is true I don't think it changes that his push on me was stretched and like, again, when I asked about it to see if there was a plausible explanation, he wouldn't indicate what about the things I said gave the impression I was always going to vote him. This is the only reason he's given for scumreading me, who is apparently his strongest read in the game by a lot, and I don't think the interaction (or lack of it) really makes sense for town who is trying to sort me

Ah, perfect, you've reminded me of something I wanted to say. I agree that all the points you've brought up here are worrying! I don't think his behaviour is especially indicative of town. Which is why I'm ultimately willing to wagon here today!

The caveat I'd give is... I feel like I've seen plenty of townies who could have solved 90% of their problems by elaborating on their thought process in the right way. And who ultimately don't.

Working on a post about your reaction to Shirou's case, btw

[Aisa]

Oh no I had the post in my clipboard but then I ctrl+c d something else ;_;