Mini 2297 | Conception | Postgame

[Flavor Leaf]

Keeper targeted Aisa Night 1.


We lost ability after we got in vacuum.

Where’s the 2nd redirector ID was talking about?

[Flavor Leaf]

I had no reason to claim that as scum without being scum with Keeper here either.

It's purely a Keeper defense.

I just didn't want to go down that pipeline.

This implies you felt pretty strongly that they were town, doesn't it?

You gotta remember I did think we were Masons for a minute. A “Pseudo-Masonry” anyways.

Still processing my thoughts now. I don’t really see any scum actions, but i don’t really think I would if they were scum.

[Flavor Leaf]

My reads are someone pushed me down a well, and I was spinning and flipping, and trying to spider web shoot my way to take someone down too, but then I realized, Wait, just put my hands and legs out, and I caught myself, and now I’m stuck in the Well, but no longer falling, and I’m inching my way back up, hoping nobody pours any liquids down the sides.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like an, if i go down, I’m taking one scum with me, bet.kinda way.

But now I’d rather find a townie to share my time with

[Flavor Leaf]

i agree green!you doesn't write that case.

Are you talking about the Rauth case? The one they shortly moved after, but only moved back on to hammer?

Because that’s partner distance fail 101, and is the reason I thought they were green to begin with.

[Flavor Leaf]

I’m not certain, but if that’s the reason you were blocking it out, it just doesn’t do that for me. I’ll even admit, it’s not 100% likely that that happened, I’m not even sure where my scum reads are at right now, I just don’t think that clears them for me by any means. Maybe they do make more sense as Red, though, who knows.

[Abnegation]

it's kind of that combined with the role reasons, but i forgot fey could technically still be flyer vendor + something else and just omitting a piece of their role.
they're not as clear as, say, furtive.
idk where my scumreads are at either tbh. i don't actually remember why i said fey red.

[Flavor Leaf]

Or the flyers could do something else.

Furt’s role is cut and dry. There could be factional roles too.

[Abnegation]

Or the flyers could do something else.

Furt’s role is cut and dry. There could be factional roles too.

hmm...idk if i like this.
what do you think the flyers do?
feysal had a theory that it had to do with the cop since keeper was revealed, but nothing else has happened to me.
unless they all do different things?

[ActionDan]

Huh, I thought Ice had probably used their action on me N1 or a doc or something would be revealed. Guess I got targeted by scum. I suppose that's not surprising N1 or perhaps Kawaii targeted me and was redirected away depending on how the redirection ability functions.

Still processing the latest reveals.

Affiliation is nothing more than specific neighborizer, why do we have another similar one in Kawaii?

Initial thought on Ice / Hugir claims is that if scum had an anti-roleblock role (weak as it is) and only town seems to have had a roleblocker, then town having an anti-redirect ability while scum has the redirector makes pretty good sense. Moreover and Enchant can perhaps confirm this, one of the potential design flaws in Community that Narration also modded was that my town roleblocker in that setup could not be countered by last scum standing. That setup was town vs 2 scum / 2 traitors / 1 non-killing TP, so there's a lot of similarity wherein its easy to have one or the other scumteam go down to 1. Aisa's role has quite a downside in its compulsive continuous nature but a situation could occur like it well might have in this game where scum got stuck. (Also does Roleblocker / Parity cop / Redirector / Anti-redirector make sense together in this game for town power; hard to say without knowing more)

Perusing TL + Abnegation posts.

[Flavor Leaf]

Or the flyers could do something else.

Furt’s role is cut and dry. There could be factional roles too.

hmm...idk if i like this.
what do you think the flyers do?
feysal had a theory that it had to do with the cop since keeper was revealed, but nothing else has happened to me.
unless they all do different things?

No clue.

Why do you think they 100% do nothing?

[Flavor Leaf]

It’s possible. For simple redirection and fluff, but it doesn’t really fit imo as a regular fruit vendor.

[Abnegation]

Or the flyers could do something else.

Furt’s role is cut and dry. There could be factional roles too.

hmm...idk if i like this.
what do you think the flyers do?
feysal had a theory that it had to do with the cop since keeper was revealed, but nothing else has happened to me.
unless they all do different things?

No clue.

Why do you think they 100% do nothing?

i assumed it was just a fruit vendor by a different name.

[Flavor Leaf]

Keeper also didn’t receive one Night 1 like they said, but I could see Keeper receiving it and saying nothing as either alignment, so

[ActionDan]

Do we have a claim tracker action / consequence / result etc?

[Flavor Leaf]

Perusing possible Hugir scum. Like I get it logically, I just don’t feel it.

[ActionDan]

Name - Role - N1 - N2

Feysal - Fruit vendor - The Keeper - Abnegation
Enchant - Parity Cop - IceDragon - Aisa
Aisa - roleblocker stuff - Abnegation - Abnegation
Kawaii - Neighborizer - NotAisa
The Keeper - Neighbor - NoAction? - NoAction?
Flavor Lead - Meighbor - The Keeper? - NoAction?
ActionDan - Voyeur - Disturbed - NotDisturbed
IceDragon - NoRoleblock - NoAction - NoAction
Hugir - Redirector - Furtive - IceDragon
Furtive - Loveriser - NoAction - Enchant
Rau - Checker - Dead - Dead
Hell - Innocent Child - Stumped - Stumped
Abnegation - Miller - NoAction - NoAction

I see this and Feysal targetting Keeper and Keeper

didn't

get a flyer?

[furtiveglance]

I don't think the Keeper's confirmation as non-Benediction came from the mod's own input.

Therefore, it came from a player.

No one is claiming it, so it came from scum.

Revealing whether or not someone is Benediction doesn't really make sense as a Benediction ability, because it narrows the pool.

Therefore, it only really makes sense as a Malediction ability.

Now, if your ability as Malediction was to reveal someone as either Benediction or not, there are 2 uses for it: either hitting a Benediction read and using that to avoid the next day's elimination yourselves, or self-targeting to get some suspicion off you.

I think it's very possible that The Keeper themself decided to self-target with that ability.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think there would be a few other reasons and why one would target a townie like that, but i don’t think Keeper would necessarily do them, so depends on the partner.

It does feel like they wanted Keeper to just coast out unscathed for a minute.

Keeper got the neighbor Pt on Night 1 end so it would make sense they got the flyer there, meaning they likely would have posted it in the vacuum if they got it, imo.

So they either didn’t get it or scum who actively chose not to tell the person they were “in a masonry” as they put it with, which is odd even as scum imo.

It’s possible they were afraid to claim in case it was like a Disloyal Vendor.

[Flavor Leaf]

Or the flyers could do something else.

Furt’s role is cut and dry. There could be factional roles too.

hmm...idk if i like this.
what do you think the flyers do?
feysal had a theory that it had to do with the cop since keeper was revealed, but nothing else has happened to me.
unless they all do different things?

No clue.

Why do you think they 100% do nothing?

i assumed it was just a fruit vendor by a different name.

Why are you assuming that? Like, I think it’s Occam’s Razor, for sure, but not something that’s 100%.

[Abnegation]

idk lol.

[furtiveglance]

The only Bastard mechanic present is the possibility of mod misdirection.

What do people think this might be referring to based on claims so far?

To me, from this, it would make sense if one or both Affiliation players were not Invocation.

[IceDragon70]

This day is just full of surprises. I actually believed the role you claimed was a perfect complement to Aisa's. Was it Rautherdir's claim that gave you that idea?

Yes

[IceDragon70]

Lucid Dreamers marathon games

Is that where you control your powers?

[IceDragon70]

Welp we (as in me and hebi both) thought he claimed that he himself can’t be roleblocked lmao

How would that make sense as a town role????

It didn’t
That’s why we targeted you N2

Ah.