Mini 2297 | Conception | Postgame

[Feysal]

Lucid Dreamers marathon games.

Is that where you control your powers?

Yes. You submit any action, anything at all, and it happens.

[ActionDan]

@Abnegation; if you haven't explained already and I just missed it, regardless of color considerations, why did you vote Feysal at all? Does it have to do with your D2 reads post?

As for your (way too much) color post 1116:

per green color, I didn't actually look into that, I will though. Addressing Purple; Orange; Pink: Yes theory is Malediction has both factional kill and publishing cop, my basis being Rauth's posts. Looking back at Orange I didn't explain myself well enough. The point was that Rauth even assuming that Malediction had a similar situation means the mod gave him no reason to assume differently and no reason to think Factions weren't symmetric; It seems to me he's quite well informed about what his faction's goals are and thus malediction's as well. Pink ties into orange a bit. Either both factions have non-standard kills (which we can rule out) or both have standard kills via my previous point. Rauth mentioned "killing" directly. Even if he used a different word or set or words to say "We are not applying our killing power to the IC" the point remains that he's telling Malediction to target the IC so they would be free to do something else. If it Bene/Mal had even/odd night kills this would have been redundant as well.

[ActionDan]

The only Bastard mechanic present is the possibility of mod misdirection.

What do people think this might be referring to based on claims so far?

To me, from this, it would make sense if one or both Affiliation players were not Invocation.

I do think Keeper has a fine chance of flipping Red scum but I feel like this might be related to redirector stuff maybe? Then again clearly there's a lot of weird shit going on in this game

[Flavor Leaf]

The only Bastard mechanic present is the possibility of mod misdirection.

What do people think this might be referring to based on claims so far?

To me, from this, it would make sense if one or both Affiliation players were not Invocation.

I think you’re just one of the people who want Me and Keeper to be scum together.

Unless you’re trying to argue one green one red, which fine, i just know it’s not true.

Kind of a lame power if both scum. Because the biggest thing for neighborhoods is for town to come together after successful read or scum to pocket a townie.

[IceDragon70]

Keeper targeted Aisa Night 1.


We lost ability after we got in vacuum.

Where’s the 2nd redirector ID was talking about?

I am not sure. If there isn't one then AD/Hugir is definitely lying, because FMPOV the bolded actions are confirmed:

Name - Role - N1 - N2

Feysal - Fruit vendor - The Keeper - Abnegation

Enchant - Parity Cop - IceDragon - Aisa

Aisa - roleblocker stuff - Abnegation - Abnegation

Kawaii - Neighborizer - NotAisa (redirected to Aisa)

The Keeper - Neighbor - Aisa - NoAction

Flavor Lead - Neighbor - The Keeper - NoAction

ActionDan - Voyeur - Disturbed - NotDisturbed

IceDragon - NoRoleblock - Abnegation - Aisa

Hugir - Redirector - Furtive - IceDragon

Furtive - Loveriser - NoAction - Enchant

Rau - Checker - Dead - Dead

Hell - Innocent Child - Stumped - Stumped

Abnegation - Miller - NoAction - NoAction

(Abnegation's action is confirmed due to being roleblocked)

On the other hand if there's a second redirector then they are 100% scum. And since the above actions are confirmed, it's definitely AD who is the second redirector here.

So in either case AD is redscum. I don't think I've messed anything up here, right?
VOTE: ActionDan

[furtiveglance]

The only Bastard mechanic present is the possibility of mod misdirection.

What do people think this might be referring to based on claims so far?

To me, from this, it would make sense if one or both Affiliation players were not Invocation.

I do think Keeper has a fine chance of flipping Red scum but I feel like this might be related to redirector stuff maybe? Then again clearly there's a lot of weird shit going on in this game

But about the mod misdirection thing - are there any other candidates?

[ActionDan]

Wait FL, are you saying your union can't be 1 scum 1 town?

[furtiveglance]

Keeper targeted Aisa Night 1.


We lost ability after we got in vacuum.

Where’s the 2nd redirector ID was talking about?

I am not sure. If there isn't one then AD/Hugir is definitely lying, because FMPOV the bolded actions are confirmed:

Name - Role - N1 - N2

Feysal - Fruit vendor - The Keeper - Abnegation

Enchant - Parity Cop - IceDragon - Aisa

Aisa - roleblocker stuff - Abnegation - Abnegation

Kawaii - Neighborizer - NotAisa (redirected to Aisa)

The Keeper - Neighbor - Aisa - NoAction

Flavor Lead - Neighbor - The Keeper - NoAction

ActionDan - Voyeur - Disturbed - NotDisturbed

IceDragon - NoRoleblock - Abnegation - Aisa

Hugir - Redirector - Furtive - IceDragon

Furtive - Loveriser - NoAction - Enchant

Rau - Checker - Dead - Dead

Hell - Innocent Child - Stumped - Stumped

Abnegation - Miller - NoAction - NoAction

(Abnegation's action is confirmed due to being roleblocked)

On the other hand if there's a second redirector then they are 100% scum. And since the above actions are confirmed, it's definitely AD who is the second redirector here.

So in either case AD is redscum. I don't think I've messed anything up here, right?
VOTE: ActionDan

Can you explain why it can't be town AD with Hugir scum?

[Flavor Leaf]

Is there confirmed to be a second redirector? Where did this come from? Is there a Mech action im missing somewhere?

[Flavor Leaf]

Wait FL, are you saying your union can't be 1 scum 1 town?

No, of course it can be.

I’m actually leaning towards the possibility of KeeperScum lately, but that could just be because they’ve been Mia, so waiting to see them post a bit more before making a conclusion.

[IceDragon70]

@Furtive, you are right, it could be. I did mess something up.
So it's a 1v1 between them, then.

Hugir is scummier in my eyes so I am gonna vote them.

VOTE: Hugir

[IceDragon70]

Is there confirmed to be a second redirector? Where did this come from? Is there a Mech action im missing somewhere?

No, it's confirmed either Hugir is lying or there's a second redirector which would be ActionDan.

[furtiveglance]

@Furtive, you are right, it could be. I did mess something up.
So it's a 1v1 between them, then.

Hugir is scummier in my eyes so I am gonna vote them.

VOTE: Hugir

I'm not sure who I think is scummier between them

Neither is really towny

[Flavor Leaf]

Is there confirmed to be a second redirector? Where did this come from? Is there a Mech action im missing somewhere?

No, it's confirmed either Hugir is lying or there's a second redirector which would be ActionDan.

What’s the lie?

Why does AD need to be the liar if Hugir is town?

Not doubting you by any means, just trying to get clarification on things.

[IceDragon70]

@Furtive, you are right, it could be. I did mess something up.
So it's a 1v1 between them, then.

Hugir is scummier in my eyes so I am gonna vote them.

VOTE: Hugir

I'm not sure who I think is scummier between them

Neither is really towny

In times like these, you could use either ISO analysis or VCA.

[ActionDan]

Keeper targeted Aisa Night 1.


We lost ability after we got in vacuum.

Where’s the 2nd redirector ID was talking about?

I am not sure. If there isn't one then AD/Hugir is definitely lying, because FMPOV the bolded actions are confirmed:

Name - Role - N1 - N2

Feysal - Fruit vendor - The Keeper - Abnegation

Enchant - Parity Cop - IceDragon - Aisa

Aisa - roleblocker stuff - Abnegation - Abnegation

Kawaii - Neighborizer - NotAisa (redirected to Aisa)

The Keeper - Neighbor - Aisa - NoAction

Flavor Lead - Neighbor - The Keeper - NoAction

ActionDan - Voyeur - Disturbed - NotDisturbed

IceDragon - NoRoleblock - Abnegation - Aisa

Hugir - Redirector - Furtive - IceDragon

Furtive - Loveriser - NoAction - Enchant

Rau - Checker - Dead - Dead

Hell - Innocent Child - Stumped - Stumped

Abnegation - Miller - NoAction - NoAction

(Abnegation's action is confirmed due to being roleblocked)

On the other hand if there's a second redirector then they are 100% scum. And since the above actions are confirmed, it's definitely AD who is the second redirector here.

So in either case AD is redscum. I don't think I've messed anything up here, right?
VOTE: ActionDan

>_>

Do you realize scum could just like, lie about something they might have done on the side via omission? (Assuming Hugir's telling the truth which is a decent sized if currently).

[Flavor Leaf]

I see worlds where both Hugir and AD are town here, so Idk why we’re doing the this or that no options game.

[IceDragon70]

Is there confirmed to be a second redirector? Where did this come from? Is there a Mech action im missing somewhere?

No, it's confirmed either Hugir is lying or there's a second redirector which would be ActionDan.

What’s the lie?

Why does AD need to be the liar if Hugir is town?

Not doubting you by any means, just trying to get clarification on things.

Basically, Kawaii claimed to have been redirected from notAisa to Aisa. Hugir claims to be a redirector but not to having redirected Kawaii.
So either Hugir is lying, or there's a second redirector.
AD must be the liar if Hugir is town, because I am assuming (and I think it's a reasonable assumption) that every person has only one role, and all other players are confirmed (FMPOV) to have another role (or to simply not be the second redirector, in Abnegation's case).

[Flavor Leaf]

Why couldn’t another player just have been lying?

[furtiveglance]

Is there confirmed to be a second redirector? Where did this come from? Is there a Mech action im missing somewhere?

No, it's confirmed either Hugir is lying or there's a second redirector which would be ActionDan.

What’s the lie?

Why does AD need to be the liar if Hugir is town?

Not doubting you by any means, just trying to get clarification on things.

Basically, Kawaii claimed to have been redirected from notAisa to Aisa. Hugir claims to be a redirector but not to having redirected Kawaii.
So either Hugir is lying, or there's a second redirector.
AD must be the liar if Hugir is town, because I am assuming (and I think it's a reasonable assumption) that every person has only one role, and all other players are confirmed (FMPOV) to have another role (or to simply not be the second redirector, in Abnegation's case).

This does exclude the possibility of scum having 2 abilities.

[IceDragon70]

Keeper targeted Aisa Night 1.


We lost ability after we got in vacuum.

Where’s the 2nd redirector ID was talking about?

I am not sure. If there isn't one then AD/Hugir is definitely lying, because FMPOV the bolded actions are confirmed:

Name - Role - N1 - N2

Feysal - Fruit vendor - The Keeper - Abnegation

Enchant - Parity Cop - IceDragon - Aisa

Aisa - roleblocker stuff - Abnegation - Abnegation

Kawaii - Neighborizer - NotAisa (redirected to Aisa)

The Keeper - Neighbor - Aisa - NoAction

Flavor Lead - Neighbor - The Keeper - NoAction

ActionDan - Voyeur - Disturbed - NotDisturbed

IceDragon - NoRoleblock - Abnegation - Aisa

Hugir - Redirector - Furtive - IceDragon

Furtive - Loveriser - NoAction - Enchant

Rau - Checker - Dead - Dead

Hell - Innocent Child - Stumped - Stumped

Abnegation - Miller - NoAction - NoAction

(Abnegation's action is confirmed due to being roleblocked)

On the other hand if there's a second redirector then they are 100% scum. And since the above actions are confirmed, it's definitely AD who is the second redirector here.

So in either case AD is redscum. I don't think I've messed anything up here, right?
VOTE: ActionDan

>_>

Do you realize scum could just like, lie about something they might have done on the side via omission? (Assuming Hugir's telling the truth which is a decent sized if currently).

You mean that hypothetically, Furtive (just as an example) would have both loveriser and redirector? Or Keeper would have both affiliation and redirector?
It's possible but I don't really think it's probable. Of course I may be wrong here, but I think every player has one concept and that's all.

[IceDragon70]

Why couldn’t another player just have been lying?

Tell me which one and I'll tell you why - there's too many reasons for each individual player.

[Flavor Leaf]

I guess the only other ones are Abnegation or Enchant that could be lying, but I could argue reasons for both of them not to be lying, so I'm up to date now on your reasoning.

I would lean AD over Hugir, though. A bit weird considering AD had been getting a little townier for me + him seemingly defending Hugir.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why would Hugir lie about their action? it doesn't make sense for something like the Kawaii neighborize?

They could have done it for future redirection deniability, I guess, but there really hasn't been anything that they'd have benefited from it.

[ActionDan]

I wonder if there's a possibility that scum have a redirector ability as a factional ability. I mean this would imply Hugir is scum just for claiming it still so.. meh.