Ok so I was doing the italiano meta thing and I ask my discord for help and Shea writes a 2000 word essay about it?? Which I promise I didn't force him to do that.
But uh since I'm not allowed to copy and paste that into the thread I am going to have to try and go through it and give both my opinion and his.
This game was pretty short and he replaced out on d1 so I just kind of skipped this even though it's a scum game. Shea notes that his tone is light-hearted and he does not do much scumhunting early. He says something along the lines of, 'He looks like he's putting effort into the game but not into scumhunting' and that he says he has scumreads but doesn't do much to pressure them
This is the towngame I was referring to earlier. Italiano is mostly serious early, and makes a push on Takemikazuchi which is pretty strong, not half-hearted, etc - I don't think it really resembles this game that much, and I think in this game i would have townread italiano. To be fair, he does say something
along the lines of 'I'm town and you don't see that because you haven't played with me enough which is similar to this, and he does get run up in this game and forced to claim tracker. Shea says that he's extremely dismissive in this game, which matches with his style of play here vs the other game where he was more light-hearted, although that was very short. So in this one there are points for and against scum Italiano.
This is another case of Italiano replacing out day 1 as scum but whatever Shea did this one and so will I. He gets into hot water early in this one as well, so it seems like he does kinda just get sussed as both alignments. I think he kind of struggles for motivation afterwards as opposed to the towngame where he's more fiery and pushes Take a lot. He also doesn't really push anyone in this game which is a similarity to this one.
Shea says he overexplains himself a lot in this one. I don't really think he does? But he agrees with me about the lack of pushes/followup.
In this game he's a lot more proactive about how he pushes koopa (koba) early, basically accusing them of handing out townreads way too easily and actively sorting malakittens - I think I would be townreading italiano in this game yet again, and that's kind of concerning to me because I kind of thought the opposite might happen based on what Italiano was saying in this thread. His takes against koopa and HEM are very hot and he's pretty active with his reasoning etc, like how kowahbungah is playing this game. He's even right about hem, although koopa was indeed town. Just in general I think his play is towny in this one and I even have a memory of thinking similar during the game so it isn't even flip bias!
Shea makes the main point here that he's all about pushing people in this game and less of the stuff about explaining himself, and that he goes into a lot more depth in his thoughts here vs other games.
This one is super important because it's a scumgame where he does not replace out on d1, but actually survives to endgame.
He does the "I'm so scummy as town uwu" thing as scum too. He definitely has content here but it feels, like, uh, indirect? Not that scumhunty. I think his treatment of ssbm_kyouko in the early game is, like, sort of similar to his treatment of me in this game, only really voting/pushing in retaliation to a push which is painted as 'flawed'. The 'plain readslist without reasons' thing is only done in this game and our game but like that might just be a coincidence lol. I think I would contrast that like, while town Italiano feels offensive this feels more defensive? Shea says something along the lines of, "He is only really convicted with his reads when he is bussing." In this game he has a bit more of the, like, looking-down attitude? Condescending is probably too harsh but you know what I mean. Also town fakes a guilty and then gets limmed for it and that's how lose the game.
All this is to say; don't fake a guilty please. That's it, that's the lesson of this post. You're welcome
No just kidding please don't stop reading
This game
This part will mostly be Shea since I've commented on italiano quite a bit
Shea scumreads
466 because it's exactly what he said in another scumgame and he thinks italiano doesn't enjoy playing scum
496 is given as an example of him elaborating and writing longer posts in his own defense which is absent in his town-games. I think i agree
He's struggling to push people, other than me which is in self defense (and similar to the kyouko push in his longest scumgame) -> I think this is true overall. I was pushing italiano really hard during the middle of the day when activity was low, but I think i've mostly leaned off of him since then, and he's also leaned off me. But I don't think he's done much afterwards, in terms of specifically pushing - his bottom read is me and his next bottom read is DV who was pushing him too. This kind of echoes the concern I had earlier - the way Italiano was acting with pushing me, but kind of not pushing me actively, and I think it's backed up by the meta at this point, not contradicting it
Anyway uh both Shea and I come out thinking the worse of italiano after the metadive and I think he is probably just scum actually sorry
VOTE: ItalianoVD
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