Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[Firebringer]

im here for the next half hour.

what order we claiming last role cause i feel like just claiming. I didn't even act last night.

[Titus]

THATS WHY THE FUCKING "BALANCE" DIDNT MAKE SENSE

TOWN LOVERS ARE NEGATIVE FUCKING UTILITY

Since the roles are not alignment specific, per the public information available at the start of the thread, it seems possible that the role pairing could be 1 scum and 1 town on some days, 2 scum on other days, 2 town on other days? I've been jotting down some thoughts on how that could balance if it's indeed a lover situation.

This correct. The other lover should not claim on first blush.

[Firebringer]

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ID GO TO BAT FOR SNAKE AND IRCHER OF ALL FUCKING PEOPLE

I SURE AS HELL WASNT ABOUT TO WATCH MYSELF DIE DAY ONE AS A LOVER TO A LURKSACK

u were in no danger though

[Drixx]

You know what, do whatever the fuck you're gonna do to me today


How the fuck Romeo and Juliet gonna be roles in this and I get Juliet on day one and romeo on day 2

Between that and things I can't speak about I'm getting pretty fucked over in this game and I'm annoyed so if you wanna lim me then lim me

Just do it quickly ffs

You got mason again? No shot...

That's not what he said. And ... while 2/x is not necessarily a high probability, it's definitely within the possibility space.

And ... let's assume Kuribo is bullshitting. What's the game plan?

Kuribo claimed mason as a lover.

not for nothing but thats...not how math works.

Umm ... if there is a mason/lover pair, that's two roles out of an unknown total. 2/x.

no its the probability of getting 2/x TWICE,

which would be 2/x TIMES 2/x.

I see what you're saying, but when evaluating the idea that Kuribo had the role yesterday, and then the paired role today, the starting premise is that he had it yesterday. If it happened, the probability is 1.

But even if you want to say it's (2/x)^2, it's still in the possibility space. It still also makes no sense as a fake claim, because how do Kuribo and Ircher survive beyond say ... day 3 ... without others confirming the claim?

[Thestatusquo]

It is NOT correct. Does no one read the rules?

The Mafia Team will be assigned Amnesiac Roles in the same random manner, though the roles will not be granted to them.

[kuribo]

THATS WHY THE FUCKING "BALANCE" DIDNT MAKE SENSE

TOWN LOVERS ARE NEGATIVE FUCKING UTILITY

Since the roles are not alignment specific, per the public information available at the start of the thread, it seems possible that the role pairing could be 1 scum and 1 town on some days, 2 scum on other days, 2 town on other days? I've been jotting down some thoughts on how that could balance if it's indeed a lover situation.

Scum and the dead can get the roles assigned to them but they don't get the roles

The lover PT specifically says that whoever gets the roles gets to post there. So if the roles go to town, they get to see Romeo and Juliet's Pt, along with all the posts made by the previous holders of the role.

[Drixx]

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ID GO TO BAT FOR SNAKE AND IRCHER OF ALL FUCKING PEOPLE

I SURE AS HELL WASNT ABOUT TO WATCH MYSELF DIE DAY ONE AS A LOVER TO A LURKSACK

u were in no danger though

Kuribo has confirmed the claim is lovers, so that would mean if Ircher had been executed, Kuribo would also have died. That seems like danger.

[kuribo]

Not only do I know from mechanics that ircher is town, I got Romeo today. I was Juliet on day one, meaning I got the role ircher had yesterday. Ircher is 100% confirmed town to me. Even beyond a mechanical level.

[Drixx]

Game Specific Rules

Someone has messed with the scripts, and you forgot what your part is! This is bad! Why?

Because come tomorrow you won't be able to remember what your role is. Prior to the start of each Day phase, the Dawn phase, Amnesiac Roles will be distributed to all players. What does this mean?

Members of the town will get a generic Factional Role PM as shown below during Night 0 in the pre-game phase. At Dawn, members of the town will receive their Amnesiac Role. There are a number of roles in rotation that will be randomly distributed each Dawn Phase. That means that even dead players will be assigned Amnesiac Roles at Dawn. (Though they will not be PMed, since they are dead)

The Mafia Team will be assigned Amnesiac Roles in the same random manner, though the roles will not be granted to them.

I have standardized terminology for Role PMs and Actions to make things as easy as possible.

There are three types of Abilities. Active Abilities, Passive Abilities, and Factional Abilities. Role PMs will refer to these abilities as such. Active abilities will require players to target one or more players. Some Active Abilities may have 'self' as a valid target. Passive Abilities are always active and don't require any further action by the player. Factional Abilities are unique to each faction, and may or may not require player targeting.

Night actions will be resolved with Natural Action Resolution. All abilities that fall under NAR are classified into one of the categories. For example, a Serial Killer's killing ability will be called a 'kill' in the text of the ability. A Firefighter's ability to stop fire-based kills will be called a 'protect' in the text of the ability.

Sample Town Factional Role PM

PLAYER - Town Cast Member

Lights! Camera! Action! You are a cast member for Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! Who hired you anyway? And where's your script? I don't remember...

Factional Ability

As a Cast Member you will receive an Amnesiac Role at the start of each day phase. That role will be your role for the entire day phase until the start of the next day phase.

You will always be aligned with the Town. Amnesiac Roles are not tied to a specific alignment.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the Town Cast Members are eliminated.

Sample Amnesiac Role PM

PLAYER - Vanilla Background Character

Here's your script. You stand quietly over there, you have no lines. Sorry only the real stars get talking parts.

Passive Ability

Quiet on the set! You may post and cast votes during the day phase.

The things I've bolded, underlined and made large seem to contradict?

[kuribo]

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ID GO TO BAT FOR SNAKE AND IRCHER OF ALL FUCKING PEOPLE

I SURE AS HELL WASNT ABOUT TO WATCH MYSELF DIE DAY ONE AS A LOVER TO A LURKSACK

u were in no danger though

Oh please I've been playing on this site long enough to know when town and scum are holding a lurker lim on day one

[Firebringer]

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK ID GO TO BAT FOR SNAKE AND IRCHER OF ALL FUCKING PEOPLE

I SURE AS HELL WASNT ABOUT TO WATCH MYSELF DIE DAY ONE AS A LOVER TO A LURKSACK

u were in no danger though

Kuribo has confirmed the claim is lovers, so that would mean if Ircher had been executed, Kuribo would also have died. That seems like danger.

No one was pushing Ircher to be eliminated when he outted.
In fact i called ircher in my townblock when Kuribo had his little outburst

[Titus]

Dumb question Kuribo. Did you actually have a PT?

Do you have one today?

[Firebringer]

Not only do I know from mechanics that ircher is town, I got Romeo today. I was Juliet on day one, meaning I got the role ircher had yesterday. Ircher is 100% confirmed town to me. Even beyond a mechanical level.

How is ircher conf town to u just because he was a lover.
I feel like this is dumb from a mechanics standpoint and ur not dumb so explain how im the idiot

[Save The Dragons]

I don't think scum get the lover/pt part

[kuribo]

Dumb question Kuribo. Did you actually have a PT?

Do you have one today?

Yes, BlueSnakelet/ircher and I discussed things for about a page and a half

During the night phase, after Feysal's flip but before the roles went out, my access to the PT was removed. It was then restored when role PMs went back out a few minutes later.

The PT itself does not tell me who if anyone is in there, but no one has posted in response to me today

[Klick]

I think if there is another Lover they should claim immediately. None of this slow rolling stuff that lets scum have more time to assess the situation.

I am not a Lover

[Firebringer]

I am a lover outside of the game. Here i am just a cowboy

[kuribo]

Not only do I know from mechanics that ircher is town, I got Romeo today. I was Juliet on day one, meaning I got the role ircher had yesterday. Ircher is 100% confirmed town to me. Even beyond a mechanical level.

How is ircher conf town to u just because he was a lover.
I feel like this is dumb from a mechanics standpoint and ur not dumb so explain how im the idiot

Scum get amnesiac role PMs

Scum do not get the actual roles.

Furthermore, I currently hold the exact role PM and role that ircher had on day one.

I know he is town because firstly he wouldn't have been in a PT with me, secondly I know for a fact he had that role because I have it.

[Titus]

I think if there is another Lover they should claim immediately. None of this slow rolling stuff that lets scum have more time to assess the situation.

I am not a Lover

Wrong. Will explain when I get home.

Kuribo do not confirm if lover posts or not until all show. Maybe not then.

[Klick]

VOTE: Black

I had a vision that she was Mafia

I used a Visionary last night

[Klick]

I think if there is another Lover they should claim immediately. None of this slow rolling stuff that lets scum have more time to assess the situation.

I am not a Lover

Wrong. Will explain when I get home.

Kuribo do not confirm if lover posts or not until all show. Maybe not then.

This makes me want a claim to happen more

[Firebringer]

Scum get amnesiac role PMs

Scum do not get the actual roles.

I literally don't understand this portion.
I am probably too stupid.

So basic summary is ur saying Ircher had a role pm that scum wouldn't or couldn't see. They would just get a lover role pm but wouldn't get a PT because scum don't get that portion.

Nope still not making sense. Need my expert Jingle to explain it to me.

[kuribo]

Yeah, other lover needs to just claim in the PT if you're out there

[kuribo]

Scum get amnesiac role PMs

Scum do not get the actual roles.

I literally don't understand this portion.
I am probably too stupid.

So basic summary is ur saying Ircher had a role pm that scum wouldn't or couldn't see. They would just get a lover role pm but wouldn't get a PT because scum don't get that portion.

Nope still not making sense. Need my expert Jingle to explain it to me.

Scum get real role pms but they're fake and don't grant the roles. Like, it says oh you're a cop, but you don't get cop powers. You just get to truthfully say you got a cop PM.

[Titus]

Scum get amnesiac role PMs

Scum do not get the actual roles.

I literally don't understand this portion.
I am probably too stupid.

So basic summary is ur saying Ircher had a role pm that scum wouldn't or couldn't see. They would just get a lover role pm but wouldn't get a PT because scum don't get that portion.

Nope still not making sense. Need my expert Jingle to explain it to me.

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