TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[PenguinPower]

Votecount 2.02

Ausuka (2):

Shirou, Malakittens

Kowahbunga (1):

DkKoba

DeasVail (1):

Freedom

Not Voting (7): Ydrasse, Ausuka, DeasVail, xofelf, mastina, DrippingGoofball, Kowahbunga

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2023-05-06 22:19:17)

Mod Notes

DkKoba is v/la through 5/2

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Drippinggoofball

I think this is the best vote. I think her interaction with my wagon was the worst out of anyone - I don't really think shirou is scum.at this point. I also think she has done nothing town indicative this entire game and her play is extremely compatible with someone who 'hates playing as scum'

I'm not really interested in defending myself; it's just going to drag things out into long pointless arguments and I'm going to die at some point anyway. If you want to kill me go ahead.

[DeasVail]

I told my hood this but I think DV is the most likely to be scum on the Italiano wagon.

Do you have any thoughts on Shirou’s theory about the Aisa kill?

I thought I posted my thoughts

Do YOU?

[DeasVail]

Ugh let’s try that again

I told my hood this but I think DV is the most likely to be scum on the Italiano wagon.

Do you have any thoughts on Shirou’s theory about the Aisa kill?

Do YOU?

I thought I posted my thoughts!

[DeasVail]

@Everyone but DeasVail and Koba

Please. I need everyone's reads on Ausuka. I want to know why she's towny to you and if you don't find her towny, why not consider voting her today post italiano flip?

I will incidentally talk more about my read on Ausuka later today

[DrippingGoofball]

Taking some time between rehearsals...

My team mate Feysal was game-killed so he had some time to look at this game.

I will paraphrase.

He pointed to posts 1104 and 1105.

What is happening here, he wondered. Ausuka and Shirou are talking about Aristeia and Shea, who are Ausuka's team mates.

Feysal found the post they were referring to where Shea apparently used meta to catch Aristeia. viewtopic.php?p=13596775#p13596775

Apparently Ari posted one scum game, shea scratched his head and hurt Ari.

That was pretty much all there was to it. Feysal searched for further mentions of Ari in Shea's iso and found that there was no evidence of a deep meta dive, only ONE game appeared to have been looked at.

Feysal wondered why Shirou responded to this and why Shirou made it sound that meta was the reason why Shea had caught Ari.

Feysal concludes by suggesting that Shirou is lending credibility to the notion that Shea would use meta as town.

To Feysal, this all looks fake and out of character for Shea. He believes that Shirou and Ausuka may be partners.

[DrippingGoofball]

Caveat: i am reporting the above but not convinced at all.

[Malakittens]

Dgb
Will you yeet Mastina with me?

[DeasVail]

I've been wanting to give mastina a bit of breathing space because of the ~other stuff~ she has going on, but I agree that I need to see more. I townread her early play but I feel my conviction on that fading.

As for Ausuka, I need to preface my thoughts by saying that Klick has her as scum, but I haven't been sharing neighbourhood posts in detail with my team, and I think the neighbourhood stuff is a reasonably significant part of my read, mostly I think because of Ausuka's reads on the people in-neighbourhood and how this has developed. We had a thing Day 1 in the neighbourhood where Klick wanted me to essentially say that they thought Ausuka was scum and Ausuka responded by saying that she thought I might be scum too. But it hasn't been overplayed in a way that I would expect from scum, it just feels evident beneath Ausuka's posts that she has been thinking, particularly about the hood and how much to trust it, but hasn't needed to SHOW it.
In general, I've also been reassured by how Ausuka has interacted with me on reads. There are instances where we've had similar thoughts, but more importantly when we've disagreed (e.g. early kowah read), I actually get a sense of stubborn annoyance from Ausuka that I think is more town.

[Ydrasse]

i get lead poisoning whenever i click on this thread (it is because i have a gun Because i am mafia shooting people)

wrt mastina my goodwill has burned out at this point, i'm waiting on her to speak and i get that she's been going through it irl but she needs to contribute something more, my townread can't really go farther than what she gave in the neighborhood


1280 feels like a crackpot theory that comes from town more often than not but it's immediately undercut by 1281 as a way to walk it back or not commit if it doesn't take off so erm. that's awkward and not in a funny way

freedom needs to post more or die as well, have to actually be able to read a slot to solve it
(im still greatly annoyed that italiano decided the best thing to do was "scum up his slot" because that like, just doesn't work and makes it harder after YOU'RE dead to find wolves imo)

[Ydrasse]

i'd like mala to explain where she's at gamewise as well bc looking through recent isoposts she hasn't given a lot of depth to her reads and i wanna understand

[Ydrasse]

i don't even know who i wanna group up with to talk about reads with atp other than my team which eventually
no one feels egregiously towny to me to trust them

i feel obligated to try and sort through the koba/shirou/ausuka trio because i feel like they're eating up a lot of this game's bandwidth but it's a tiresome task to even start so like, wave hand at the ausuka wagon. if you're town please defend yourself but i get why you wouldn't want to and if you die and you're town thank you for your service but i can't make heads or tails of that knot of posters. i guess this is like, me asking you three to explain what is... going on there or what you think in a more concise place because i dont have the brainpower lately to read through that many posts

ill do the vcs later for more guidance but this is about as much as i have in mind for this game atm

[DeasVail]

VOTE: ausuka

Kill it with fire

Mala this was a pretty passionate-sounding post on Day 1!
What are your Ausuka thoughts?

[DeasVail]

Ydrasse what do you think of Shirou for town?

[Malakittens]

Alright. So I already explained it in my hood why I voted like that against auska.

I’m an Compulsive odd night fruit vendor town neighbor.

I thought it was very odd for ausuka and I to have similar roles.

I also crumbed mine from the very beginning.

Unfortunately I have been interfered with as my intended target did not get a fruit.

I also have something else I’m not sharing with the class. I’m keeping it close to my chest right now, but I’m mulling it over.

[DeasVail]

Do you think she’s lying?

[Malakittens]

I’m not great at mechs
I guess her and I could have compatible roles as town with the odd even

Idk I suck at setup spec
I also think it’s weird
That I was interfered with

[DeasVail]

Is there anything else that makes you think Ausuka is scum? You’ve voted her day 1 and day 2 but I don’t feel I have a good understanding of your read on her from what you’ve posted in the thread

[Malakittens]

It’s mainly the claim that’s really making me think she’s scum.

I guess she’s provable in terms of the role but not the alignment

[DrippingGoofball]

Dgb
Will you yeet Mastina with me?

Don't tempt the devil...

Why tho

[Kowahbunga]

I could maaaybe see a world where the hood is all-town PLUS scum missed it being outed PLUS they specifically chose to kill Aisa over me or xofelf but that's a lot of plusses.

If you could see a world where your whole hood is town, why do you only consider yourself and xofelf as NK potential and not the other two?

[DeasVail]

I could maaaybe see a world where the hood is all-town PLUS scum missed it being outed PLUS they specifically chose to kill Aisa over me or xofelf but that's a lot of plusses.

If you could see a world where your whole hood is town, why do you only consider yourself and xofelf as NK potential and not the other two?

Koba had more obviously claimed to be in a hood with Ausuka and Shirou was wondering how scum knew the VT was Aisa and not me or xof, thinking that that there must be scum in our hood because of that.

[Kowahbunga]

I've got this feeling Aisa was the night kill because scum could determine they were the player not in a hood.

There's two explanations for how they could figure that out.

Each hood has 1 scum, then it's real easy for them to find the odd ball.

Ausuka's hood are all town and once they outed their town that gave scum enough info to piece it together.

So there's two ways that's how it works.

If all 3 scum are in Italiano's hood, meaning scum are Mastina, Goofball, and Ydrasse - then they wouldn't have enough info even with that. Sure, there were some softs but I don't think it was enough to be as precise as finding the one non-hood player.

I initially wanted to just hard play the game assuming each hood has 1 scum, but after hashing that out with my team I've realized it's a fallacy to play that way. Sure, it might be right, but it's not a good way to town clear someone just because they're still alive and one of their neighbors flipped red.

[mastina]

NGL with my medical issues I don't have the ability to put on my persona of being absolutely fucking pissed at you eliminating my top townread D1. (I have a lab followthrough tomorrow, btw.) But pretend that I am ranting at you here for mislimming my top townred, especially since I wasn't around to give counter-proposals. (Btw to give an idea of how bad the medical issues are, I'm genuinely considering replacing out. I never replace out, ever, least of all in a

Team Mafia

game. But, I am struggling to function daily, and quite badly so, tbh.)

I might not be able to muster my normal conviction right now, but what I can do? Solve the game anyway! I don't need my signature mastina fire to still scumhunt.

That being said. Given I was absent yesterday and given how dead my neighborhood is.

I think there may be guaranteed scum in the DKKoba/Ausuka/Xofelf/DeasVail hood

Can someone catch me up there?

What are the claims?

I legit know absolutely nothing.

Last I knew: the only claims were my neighborhood with Italiano. That's it. Legit. The only claim inthread was my neighborhood with Italiano. Nothing else.

Apparently, there are others.

So.

Can you treat me as a replacement who doesn't know what the claims are.

And point me to the claims so I know wtf is going on? (Again, neighborhood dead, so. Nothing in there.)

That said.

There is one thing of note.

The neighborhood actually has me leaning town on Malakittens rn. (My neighborhood, that is. Apparently there's more than one, from what I'm gathering.)

If there really is a pool of {DKKoba, Ausuka, xofelf, DeasVail}, the choice there imo is quite obvious;

VOTE: DKKoba

(I'd again like to apologize for being low-energy. I'm trying. I really am.)

[mastina]

I think there may be scum as well in [Mastina, Kowah, Deasvail]

If so, it'd be Kowa, because it sure ain't me. And DV, doubtful.