Mini 2297 | Conception | Postgame

[Flavor Leaf]

Probably ends with a Hugir/Keeper debate.

Both you and Keeper are putting me as town, so I’m pocketed by one of you. I can make a scum case and a town case for both of you.

If Feysal’s scum, honestly, gg.

If people think I’m scum, we can fight it off tomorrow.


If Furt ends up being town, scum still have to try and cross kill, or lose, so that’s funny.

[Flavor Leaf]

Like Hugir Scum always shoots Keeper here, Keeper scum always shoots Hugir.

If a roleblock happens, we’re in 3p Elo.

Furt is the best fade today.

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Furt

Still think Furt is Red.

[furtiveglance]

@Furtive - Did Enchant know that it was you they were loverized to when they were told they were loverized? Or did they just get informed they were loverized?

I told them, we had a PT. They didn't use it much though, and were pretty miffed about being targeted.

[furtiveglance]

Day 5 Initial

Not Voting

- Flavor Leaf, Feysal, Hugir, The Keeper, furtiveglance

Notes

• With 5 remaining, it takes 3 to form a majority.
  
• Mod ISO is here.

Day 5

concludes in (expired on 2023-05-08 15:45:00)

Are there 2 town left in here?
Or did Narration make it 3/3 by accident?

Both players who scumclaimed yesterday are now agreeing that I'm the best elimination and won't listen to reason

The other 2 players aren't here.

Cool game this
Very fun

[Flavor Leaf]

@Hugir - You see his slip?

[Flavor Leaf]

Actually, it’s not a slip.

It is if he’s implying we’re scum together, but the logic they’re trying to use likely comes from scum.

If it’s 3/3, Hugir/Myself have no reason to pair up on Furt if we’re partners or if we’re against each other. It’s just lose-lose both ways.

[Flavor Leaf]

Furt, you’re going “won’t listen to reason”

What is said reason? That there’s a lot of role interaction? That’s why you’re scummy, to be honest.

Try to explain where you think scum is.

If you’re town, you are already implying you think it’s Hugir and I, but you’re spending all your time trying to convince US that we’re scum. You’re battling this game directly at us, not with us, which is scummy.

It’s completely performative looking.

What are your reads on Feysl and Keeper?

[Flavor Leaf]

UNVOTE: Furt

I’ll give it time, but like…come on

[Flavor Leaf]

You’re also acting like I have been specifically o my going for you, when I’m completely aware that Keeper/Hugir could just be the two remaining scum.

So you’re not even locked.

“Won’t even listen to reason?”

I’m here and listening. What are the reasons? Why are they better than the reasons I could find for everyone else in the game being town?

There is a scum case and a town case for every player in this game. Some of these “reasons” are just not real.

[Flavor Leaf]

@Furtive - Did Enchant know that it was you they were loverized to when they were told they were loverized? Or did they just get informed they were loverized?

I told them, we had a PT. They didn't use it much though, and were pretty miffed about being targeted.

So they didn’t get mod confirmed Loverized? It was strictly because the two of you got put into a Vaccuum?

[Flavor Leaf]

Day 2 FINAL

KawaiiKame

(HAMMERED) - Feysal,

Abnegation

, furtiveglance,

IceDragon, Aisa

, Flavor Leaf
furtiveglance (1) - The Keeper

Not Voting -

Enchant

,

ActionDan

, Hugir,

KawaiiKame

I accidentally made it Green for Town, but yeah.

I keep going back to this. Do I really think zero scum was on Kawaii here? I specifically stated earlier I think there was scum in that first 4. So far that whole wagon is all town. I know I’m town, and out of Feysal/Furt, I always am leaning Furt here.

Leaving perfectly Hugir and Keeper as the unflipped off the wagon.

Hugir Redirect annoyingly keeps them alive today, even if they are scum, but they are stuck because if they don’t Keeper to Keeper, they’re dead every time, so if a kill goes through, Hugir is always scum.

4 alive in an elo is fine, we just play it like the last day every time.

[Flavor Leaf]

Feysal - Flyer Vendor
furtiveglance - 1-shot 1 way Loverizer
The Keeper - Found Paired Neighborizer
Flavor Leaf - Found Paired Neighborizer
Hugir - Redirector


Rautherdir - Green Checker
Hell Froze Over - Blue Ascetic Stump
KawaiiKame - Blue Neighborizer
Aisa - Blue Compulsive Permanent Combined Bodyguard Roleblocker

Abnegation - Blue Changing Miller
IceDragon70 - Blue Redirector-Proof Booster
ActionDan - Red Redirector
Enchant - Blue Delayed Parity Cop

[Flavor Leaf]

You know what, Keeper is insanely likely to be scum here probs.

You wanna know what happened Night 1…Blue targeted Keeper.

You wanna know what happened Day 2 start.

Keeper was confirmed not Green Scum.

If Keeper’s role is they get targeted by the other Affiliation, they get that ability pairs insanely nicely with a Redirector Partner.

Keeper is Dan’s partner then.

My only issue is I really don’t want to deal with a no kill night and choose between Furt and Hugir, because gut says Furt, mech says Hugir.

[Flavor Leaf]

The Living

Feysal - Flyer Vendor
furtiveglance - 1-shot 1 way Loverizer
The Keeper - Found Paired Neighborizer
Flavor Leaf - Found Paired Neighborizer
Hugir - Redirector

Personally, with the Redirections, I think the Flyer Vendor is a fantastic addition to this game on a setup level. It can mess with possible Redirections, and is just Fun With Redirect, essentially. Keeper didn’t claim until way later, which could have been a calculated move in case it was something like a Disloyal Vendor or something.

The more I think about it, the more I kind of like One Way Loverizer too. That’s a role that doesn’t make sense to have more than 1-shot, and I had a limited action myself if I found the player.

It’s also a fantastic way to deal with Abnegation’s Miller role.

ActionDan specifically commented on thinking Blue and Keeper were Masons, which is kind of an interesting level of distancing if Keeper is his partner. I like that play a lot. Keeper had been playing this like a Masonry, and Keeper had been pushing Furt, which could have been ActionDan making the GameFic of ‘Flavor was strongarming Furt all game’. And Dan supported Furt onto me early, so I’m starting to think Keeper more and more.

Hugir Redirector claim is a nice symmetry to Red Scum, and Green Checker and Redirector vs Green Partial IC and Redirector checks out balance wise.

Confirmed Blue

Hell Froze Over - Blue Ascetic Stump
KawaiiKame - Blue Neighborizer
Aisa - Blue Compulsive Permanent Combined Bodyguard Roleblocker
Abnegation - Blue Changing Miller
IceDragon70 - Blue Redirector-Proof Booster
Enchant - Blue Delayed Parity Cop

Scum Confirmed

Rautherdir - Green Checker

ActionDan - Red Redirector

[Flavor Leaf]

Long story short, there are no factional abilities, and likely just alternating Night Kills.

[Flavor Leaf]

Keeper Red
Hugir Green

[Hugir]

You’re missing a presence of roleblocker that interfered with my redirect btw.

Even if I was scum here I wouldn’t lie about my being-tempered result because I would

have

to lim other scum today to have a chance at winning.

[Flavor Leaf]

there's nothing that proves factional abilities, though

[Hugir]

Then who roleblocked me?
Because lying about my action here is against my internet of winning regardless of my alignment.

[Flavor Leaf]

I think the possibility of Redirect is too dangerous because as scum, if we hit town today, you can just win if you know who other scum is, which i feel is becoming obviously Keeper.

[Hugir]

Do you think the keeper is a roleblocker?
Redscum had factional half cop thing. If there is roleblocker and the keeper is redscum they ain’t roleblocker.

[Hugir]

See what I mean here
This is why I can’t be anything but town in this game.

Ever since I claimed redirector I’ve been constantly under fire just for being the redirector. I knew this was gonna happen. What I also knew was that I’m town and things will start to not make sense for me to be scum.

“Redirector has to be scum because ID is anti-redirect” -> Redscum had a deflector. ID role was a counter for that and I was the false positive.

“Redirector has to be scum because scum role symmetry” -> red has factional cop and green has factional roleblock. Proven to be not symmetry also when AD considered the thought of poison crosskill by green when he himself said scum can’t kill each other.

“Redirector is a scum role” -> It is a common knowledge that redirector is scummy as fuck. Hell, even AD fakeclaimed voyeur and he was the worse redirector. As scum why would I claim truthfully, especially when I was the last to claim? I assure you, as scum I would’ve just claimed commuter right then and there and y’all would’ve been none the wiser.

Like literally all the evidence points towards me being town.

[Hugir]

With that said, while I still don’t think I’m wrong, I must ask you this because I simply can’t unsee it.

I think the possibility of Redirect is too dangerous because as scum, if we hit town today, you can just win if you know who other scum is, which i feel is becoming obviously Keeper.

This is the second time where you blindly assumed that scum has to kill, even if it ends up costing them. Why is that?

[Hugir]

@Furtive - Did Enchant know that it was you they were loverized to when they were told they were loverized? Or did they just get informed they were loverized?

I told them, we had a PT. They didn't use it much though, and were pretty miffed about being targeted.

So they didn’t get mod confirmed Loverized? It was strictly because the two of you got put into a Vaccuum?

Callllllllled it