Micro 1078: Datisi's micro normals are back [game over]

[VP Baltar]

I found these bits at least slightly compelling. Fire's position could be one scum would angle towards, though I'd have to check out the earlier passages again to get a better feel for it.

When is this follow up happening?

[skitter30]

i think vpb is town and won't vote him
i am warming up to the idea of a meuh wagon again

[skitter30]

But like do you think im incapable of crafting believably and prettily trajectorious reads as scum

no, i think u are capable but are just coasting on the Vibes method of playing

[skitter30]

i can see why ppl would scumread me here. too low energy to defend myself rn but i think its telling the two ppl i've played the most mafia with (ausuka/skitter) presumably have me at null or town. am just a weirdo sometimes and i have trouble getting into D1

this was like three years ago or something .... this isn't a meta read for me

[hellbooks]

Literally HOW is it coasting when everybody hates me

[VP Baltar]

i think vpb is town and won't vote him
i am warming up to the idea of a meuh wagon again

Ack, I was hoping you'd see the light on fire. I'm more confident there. I'd be ok with a [fire, meuh, skygazer] lim today, mostly in that order.

[fireisredsir]

There is an over reliance on a very small thing here (skitter's initial push out of RVS), and then a leaning on a point from a player who fire finds moderately scummy questionable? Fire's super power is being very thoughtful and thorough as a thinker. That is not on display here at all.

ok so you make this type of point a couple times and i think it is v silly. first of all, even if i am scumreading someone, it's possible that they do things that aren't scummy, or make points that i agree with. that's called being open to new info and continuously evaluating and sorting and being uninformed. things aren't black and white and you know that i don't play like they are

second, in this case i was just using referencing meuh's point as shorthand for a thought that i had already thought myself. i wasn't saying "wow great point meuh you're so right", i was saying "i think the same thing as meuh said here". ik you can't see inside my head to know that difference but just so you know

Case in point: It's completely farcical that fire finds me scummy because I think I'm being town. Like what?

i still think this tbh. you hadn't done anything towny at that point and you weren't really engaged with the game. especially comparing to your recent towngames like HotD where you obvtowned, its a little unbelievable for you to think you were especially towny at that point

Which reads to me as someone stoking a conflict from the sidelines. Again, the wedge being pushed here is a Meuh/VP divide. Fire's reasoning is shaky at best. My point is "weird." The point I was making was quite clear. Fire is welcome to disagree, but calling it "weird" and "busy work" is pretty much a steaming pile of doo doo that reads like friend signaling to ausuka more than trying to be substantiative.

you are actually right that i kinda felt like ausuka may need some support, but thats from the perspective of being town and her being my top townread and me not wanting her to get pushed out of being interested in the game which is what it seemed like was happening

im not saying i wouldn't do similar as scum but just so you know what my actual mindset was

and i do think your point was bad and i explained why and you still haven't addressed that or explained yourself further. you can't just say "my point is clear" while refusing to back it up. im aware that you do this as town too so this isn't a reason why i scumread you, its just kinda frustrating

While I'm gone gone, fire makes a really half hearted attempt to push osuka, which is clearly not something fire actually believes in. it's an absolute placeholder push until I get back. Then once I re-emerge and call out the hellbrooks wagon as being kinda bullshit to push as a placeholder until I return, fire gets bent out of shape and calls me illogical DESPITE FUCKING SAYING WHEN I WENT VLA THAT THEY COULDN'T VOTE ME BECAUSE IT'S "NOT PRODUCTIVE".

i have no idea what your point is here or why you think this would be inconsistent

[fireisredsir]

I also find fire's scum read on meuh so fake. For example, fire cites some meta for why they townread meuh. Meuh assures fire the meta is wrong. Meuh then fails to supply said counter meta. Fire then just lets it go as a nonpoint.

In post 409, fireisredsir wrote:i don't really feel like pushing there rn anyway or fighting for it but i just felt like noting it since it was what i was feeling in the moment


Much like fire, meuh also manages to stop doing much of anything meaningful while I was gone.

i am too lazy to quote this properly but 409 was about you and not about mueh at all. i feel like that's p obvious from context so im not sure why you're doing this

[fireisredsir]

i don't think hellbooks' readlists or them changing is especially scummy but more thoughts on the things that are making them change would probably help

lol, fire had hellbrooks as second scummiest on their list. This is not real posting.

again this is ridiculous

not everything that people i scumread do is scummy

i find her readlist changing to be close to NAI

i don't get why you would be incapable of figuring that out

[fireisredsir]

uhhh there was something else i had on my brain to talk about besides baltar and i dont remember what it was

one was to say that the main reason i don't scumread skygazer was the consistency of the push on baltar and at the time i was pretty convinced baltar was scum. if he isn't then i don't really have any reason to townread skygazer and probably would scumread them

i think there was one more thing tho

[fireisredsir]

i can see why ppl would scumread me here. too low energy to defend myself rn but i think its telling the two ppl i've played the most mafia with (ausuka/skitter) presumably have me at null or town. am just a weirdo sometimes and i have trouble getting into D1

i also think this is a pretty scummy post

[fireisredsir]

This gives me extra bad feelings because I remember during the dance game that I almost always saw Baltar as the more reasonable one in his interactions with others.

i think this isn't a great metric to measure baltar's alignment by lol

your informed-ness may have impacted you there as well

[Ausuka]

ok i read skygazer's iso and i have no idea how to read her and it's 2am why am i like this

[Ausuka]

uhh sky why did you sheep skitter on hellbooks pls explain ur skitter tr or whatever

[Ausuka]

Baltar if u want u can bully me into responding to the fire case tomorrow but im going to sleep soon

[tris]

uhhh there was something else i had on my brain to talk about besides baltar and i dont remember what it was

one was to say that the main reason i don't scumread skygazer was the consistency of the push on baltar and at the time i was pretty convinced baltar was scum. if he isn't then i don't really have any reason to townread skygazer and probably would scumread them

i think there was one more thing tho

a push which she never gave any reason for and then dropped.

[Skygazer]

"vibes" is a perfectly valid reason tris

[Skygazer]

uhh sky why did you sheep skitter on hellbooks pls explain ur skitter tr or whatever

skitter is more like null to me rn but i feel like sheeping a null-but-historically-amazing player is still valid.

i also felt like the shitposting from hellbooks was definitely some sort of scum tactic but i'm wavering on that at the moment

[Skygazer]

i can see why ppl would scumread me here. too low energy to defend myself rn but i think its telling the two ppl i've played the most mafia with (ausuka/skitter) presumably have me at null or town. am just a weirdo sometimes and i have trouble getting into D1

i also think this is a pretty scummy post

i don't !!

[Skygazer]

skitter why is vpb town

[tris]

"vibes" is a perfectly valid reason tris

why now ?

[hellbooks]

i find her readlist changing to be close to NAI

RIGHT?????? idk why skitter thought it was so scummy!!!!!

[tris]

i think its because you wrote 'i am scum' in your reads list

[Skygazer]

@tris the shitposter in me wants to say vibes. but like i said am wavering on my hellbooks read bc i dont rlly see an agenda to all of this hullabaloo. baltar is like a lean scum for me rn, i have too many ppl at null or town rn.

[Skygazer]

my brain tiny 2nite