Micro 1078: Datisi's micro normals are back [game over]

[osuka]

im just confused why you think it's opportunistic to vote you specifically

would you have said the same if the vote was on another wagon?

i think her vote on you was less momentum-following than other possible votes which to me doesn't seem particularly opportunistic

what i said applies to any slot pushing an alternative wagon

[osuka]

im not concerned about optics - i'm only showing you why it makes no sense to do that as scum

you haven't answered the question: why would i put my ass on the line for a townie here? i wasnt under pressure back then but i did put myself in a position where i'm exposed to it, and again at a time of particular volatility vote-wise.

to be clear: if you think i would take this risk as scum for a slot that i think is town, youre out of your fucking mind because playing scum is about taking calculated risks and there's no calculation that would justify me creating this situation

[tris]

im just confused why you think it's opportunistic to vote you specifically

would you have said the same if the vote was on another wagon?

i think her vote on you was less momentum-following than other possible votes which to me doesn't seem particularly opportunistic

what i said applies to any slot pushing an alternative wagon

if im scum acting opportunistically, one of these other wagons must be on town, so i could join one of them

[fireisredsir]

im not concerned about optics - i'm only showing you why it makes no sense to do that as scum

you haven't answered the question: why would i put my ass on the line for a townie here? i wasnt under pressure back then but i did put myself in a position where i'm exposed to it, and again at a time of particular volatility vote-wise.

to be clear: if you think i would take this risk as scum for a slot that i think is town, youre out of your fucking mind because playing scum is about taking calculated risks and there's no calculation that would justify me creating this situation

i don't think anything you did was putting your ass on the line at all so im not sure where this is coming from

[fireisredsir]

momentum was dying on baltar and momentum was somewhat rising on me and you followed baltar onto me

where in that exactly is you putting your ass on the line to save baltar

i don't think that baltar lim stopped bc you specifically stopped it if thats what you're saying? baltar stopped it himself

[skitter30]

skitter can you give a brief summary of why you think hellbooks is the best lim

I don't really like her response to the wagon. I feel like she's trying to project towniness by virtue of vibes and presence, but i don't get the sense that she's trying to find scum, or that her thoughts abt the game are Real. She's just kinda saying whatever pops into her mind but there isnt really followthrough or like an established thought process to follow linking post to post or stance to stance

I feel like she's making posts that are designed to be found townie (like the all caps one), and that more effort is going into that than solving

I don't like the resistance to thw wagon, and idk why people are townreading her

[osuka]

i couldve just voted baltar and said his post didnt convince me, could i not? wouldnt that just kick it back into gear? it would instantly make it the leading wagon

[osuka]

like what im pointing out is that this is not the path of least resistance at all. what's my scum motivation to do this?

[fireisredsir]

this game is stalled and we're getting to the deadline

i'm still torn on whether i'm okay with vpb or not. it's been really hard to get a good read this game for whatever reason and i'm very very tired so i'm not super sharp right now. i sort of want to come back to this tomorrow and see what i can do in terms of figuring out which of fire/vpb is scum because i very much doubt that's tvt

this doesn't really feel like someone putting their ass on the line to save baltar

and by the time you came to a conclusion, some people had already backed off

[fireisredsir]

like what im pointing out is that this is not the path of least resistance at all. what's my scum motivation to do this?

i don't really agree

baltar wasn't where the momentum was, i think that would have been a path of resistance

he's also p easy to hide behind

[osuka]

what about any of this says hiding

[skitter30]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

[fireisredsir]

skitter can you give a brief summary of why you think hellbooks is the best lim

I don't really like her response to the wagon. I feel like she's trying to project towniness by virtue of vibes and presence, but i don't get the sense that she's trying to find scum, or that her thoughts abt the game are Real. She's just kinda saying whatever pops into her mind but there isnt really followthrough or like an established thought process to follow linking post to post or stance to stance

I feel like she's making posts that are designed to be found townie (like the all caps one), and that more effort is going into that than solving

I don't like the resistance to thw wagon, and idk why people are townreading her

i guess if she is scum then i am failing to differentiate between her projecting towniness and designing posts to be found townie and them actually just being towny posts

i agree more effort is going into the vibes than the displaying solving but i think she is still solving and part of me thinks that if she was scum then she wouldn't have much trouble siphoning some of that effort into displaying a consistent progression on the game

like that doesn't seem like it would be very hard

i had her more nullish but think im talking myself into more of a townread

[fireisredsir]

what about any of this says hiding

the part before people voted you? when you weren't under pressure?

[osuka]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

it boils down to "why would i expose myself to defend vpb", which anyone has yet to answer. with only hellbooks voteparking me at that point in time, that's huge exposure that if i'm scum i don't need or want 36h before deadline

[fireisredsir]

ok nevermind im talking myself back out of a townread, back to null she goes

[osuka]

what about any of this says hiding

the part before people voted you? when you weren't under pressure?

ill give you a chance to elaborate on this before i say anything mean

[tris]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

it boils down to "why would i expose myself to defend vpb", which anyone has yet to answer. with only hellbooks voteparking me at that point in time, that's huge exposure that if i'm scum i don't need or want 36h before deadline

explain how that was you exposing yourself

[fireisredsir]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

it boils down to "why would i expose myself to defend vpb", which anyone has yet to answer. with only hellbooks voteparking me at that point in time, that's huge exposure that if i'm scum i don't need or want 36h before deadline

the issue is that i don't agree that you were exposing yourself at all

it's not counter to mainstream opinion to say that someone who made an effort wallpost actually is townier as a result of having made that post

there's no exposure there. that's just following the natural flow of things

[osuka]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

it boils down to "why would i expose myself to defend vpb", which anyone has yet to answer. with only hellbooks voteparking me at that point in time, that's huge exposure that if i'm scum i don't need or want 36h before deadline

explain how that was you exposing yourself

am i not exposed?

[osuka]

okay let's take a step back here

why are you voting me then? because i'm not offering insanely hot takes?

[tris]

at this time i would like to point out that were it not for the fact that im offering resistance on the vpb wagon, the switch over to me would probably not have happened - so voting me is only justified if you think im scum with baltar or im scum that otherwise has reason to keep baltar around.

if i'm scum here, why do i put my ass on the line for a townie?

I'm not sure i follow this reasoning, van you break it down some more?

it boils down to "why would i expose myself to defend vpb", which anyone has yet to answer. with only hellbooks voteparking me at that point in time, that's huge exposure that if i'm scum i don't need or want 36h before deadline

explain how that was you exposing yourself

am i not exposed?

im talking about when you made the post you claim exposed you. the current state of things is irrelevant

[skitter30]

Ig i'm missing the 'exposure' bit ?

[Skygazer]

skitter can you give a brief summary of why you think hellbooks is the best lim

I don't really like her response to the wagon. I feel like she's trying to project towniness by virtue of vibes and presence, but i don't get the sense that she's trying to find scum, or that her thoughts abt the game are Real. She's just kinda saying whatever pops into her mind but there isnt really followthrough or like an established thought process to follow linking post to post or stance to stance

I feel like she's making posts that are designed to be found townie (like the all caps one), and that more effort is going into that than solving

I don't like the resistance to thw wagon, and idk why people are townreading her

i feel like hellbooks kind of doubled down on the behavior that was causing ppl to scum read her and i find that townie

and lack of agenda

also she's funny

[Skygazer]

she is funny but thats no longer why am hesitant to vote her