Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[GuyInFreezer]

What’s your read on me

[Save The Dragons]

I'm not sure. I too forgot about the commuter thing so I'm rethinking

[GuyInFreezer]

I commuted so hard I commuted my commuter out of y’all’s head

[kuribo]

GiF claimed commuter?

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway I’m p sure any sensible person has found out already so I’m gonna claim.

Yes I can confirm Drixx had a commuter role PM. He recognized the flavor as well so at least he’s not lying about having a commuter role PM.

Yes that means I have that role PM today. Idk why it made sense for Drixx to just go “ooh someone already confirmed my role!!!” this early but hey

And I

am

commuting tonight and no one can stop me (literally)

Bruuuuuh

[Thestatusquo]

If a gif commutes in a mafia game and no one is there to hear it does he make a sound?

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m a professional commuter.
I can commute my entire existence from this game easily.

[GuyInFreezer]

By the way
I may or may not be a motivator

[GuyInFreezer]

Unfortunately I can’t self target because motivating myself to reread this game could be useful

[Firebringer]

GIf i can appreciate the gambit game. But I don't think anyone is taking any of it seriously

[Frozen Angel]

anyways I saw titus claim I can confirm that my role is not active and a role block has 0 effect on it.

The only reason I said I'm not vt is that no one else claimed to have my role tbh not that its anything special. I already crumbed heavy what I am and it will be irrefutable in future phases when others also have the roles anyway cause its a very rare thing that's used in this game and its obvious when you know what you're looking for.

my role means this game is almost definitely single ball btw.

oh and I still can be targeted I'm not claiming ascetic or some shit.

I am interested in this

So I will assume that everyone at least claimed targets or will do that, and I will claim that I targeted no one last night.

so I don't have much time for the game, right now, I have some notes written considering the dragon flip that I will post tomorrow hopefully if I manage to sit behind the game for like 2 hours to sort everything up.

I think there are a lot of clues regarding how the dragon eater wagon was handled yesterday, and about who might have been informed about it, so it's a good idea to dig that grave a little to see what we get.

This is the only post you gonna get out of me today cause I already am late for doing something else and I'll be so exhausted in an hour and half from now when I'm done with that.

so see you all tomorrow

I will say my claim was in this post for now, till everyone else claim their day 2. The main reason I didn't claim immediately yesterday was to not let scum "use this utility to fake claim things" as I knew it must have been came from the two dead slots in day/night 1 to me and scum should not have seen this role at least till last night phase so if someone else claims the role I claimed in this post or we get an investigation result concerning it we can confirm the result when I claim

[Frozen Angel]

My claim cant be fixed its litteraly on that post in a pretty obvious manner already so I don't think I need to rush it

[Firebringer]

instead of pretending "i didn't target anyone' is a claim of a role.
Just claim ur shit.

Ur claiming vanilla town on day 1 then?
Great, what were u yesterday.

[Frozen Angel]

so FB got the caterer and the original owner of role died?

My mind is not really in game like the rest of you, but why would scum kill black if they couldn't use that for a gambit/fake clearing themself attempt? Black seems like a very weird choice of kill tbh

[Frozen Angel]

instead of pretending "i didn't target anyone' is a claim of a role.
Just claim ur shit.

Ur claiming vanilla town on day 1 then?
Great, what were u yesterday.

I claimed my day 1 role in day 2. I claimed vanilla

and I already claimed my day 2 role in that specific post I quoted from day 2. and I claimed the different aspects of that role in multiple ways/posts in day 2 already so when I fully claim they will all uniquely and undeniably will come together anyway so whats the rush with that?

Since I know scum didn't have the role at least till today, I prefer others to claim first. I'll go last with full claiming for obvious reasons.

[Frozen Angel]

and just claiming targets was a better version of early massclaim for this game I still insist. when on later phases we would get to a full mass claim we would have possibly some scum trapped in claims they couldn't logically have that way without outing the actual actions we have,

Cause I can't believe scum have no utility to manipulate/stop the utilities that are switching hands this game cause that would be a broken setup.

But I said it day 1 and went with the chosen version of massclaim as if its started we gotta do it for sure.

no where I said I wont claim

[Frozen Angel]

so FB got the caterer and the original owner of role died?

My mind is not really in game like the rest of you, but why would scum kill black if they couldn't use that for a gambit/fake clearing themself attempt? Black seems like a very weird choice of kill tbh

black could confirm a slot is scum by targeting them and them not owning caterer so that explains the kill I guess specially as a panic kill if they though that is likely that he is targeting scum.

or scum had a way to use the kill to perform a gambit/fake clear themselves and they didn't want black to talk.

Its one of the two cause I'm sure black was not targeted as a "threatening town player" by day play in this player base - no offense meant black

[Frozen Angel]

So let's yeet Klick and see what happens?

Still waiting for your PoE

FB
FA

Titus

GiF
Klick

So based on that logic there is a scum between FB, GIF and Klick (well and me in the poe)

regardless of who black targeted

.

so these 4 slots including me is where we need to focus hunt today

[Dunnstral]

Would you agree to those 4 slots including yourself claiming first then?

[Dunnstral]

Let's clear up mech a little here. Let's assume Firebringer is mafia and is in possession of the Caterer. The role does

not

need to specifically, coincidentally rand onto Firebringer. Any of Firebringer's teammates could have received the Caterer role, and then Firebringer can "switch" fake claims with that mafia player as a more advantageous player inside of the PoE. This increases the odds from 1/15 to hitting Firebringer to something like 4/15 of hitting Firebringer's team.


I'm not saying that this is what happened. I think the most likely explanation is that Firebringer simply received the Caterer normally, and 4/15 is still pretty low odds.

[Frozen Angel]

Would you agree to those 4 slots including yourself claiming first then?

I'm gonna repeat it again

I already claimed the role in my day 2 posts of mine.

It's unique/undeniable and basically, the only thing that fits what I explained it would be. The role I had was USELESS and it's actually a negative utility. The only reason I didn't claim outright is that scum didn't have this role till the start of this day phase at least with absolute certainty cause of the day 1 roles claims (it came from a dead player certainly) so I don't want to give them ideas for a fake claim.

so what's the point of rushing me to actually name my claim even if I'm you're POE?

[Frozen Angel]

Let's clear up mech a little here. Let's assume Firebringer is mafia and is in possession of the Caterer. The role does

not

need to specifically, coincidentally rand onto Firebringer. Any of Firebringer's teammates could have received the Caterer role, and then Firebringer can "switch" fake claims with that mafia player as a more advantageous player inside of the PoE. This increases the odds from 1/15 to hitting Firebringer to something like 4/15 of hitting Firebringer's team.


I'm not saying that this is what happened. I think the most likely explanation is that Firebringer simply received the Caterer normally, and 4/15 is still pretty low odds.

I'm not completely familiar with the caterer role

what I understood is it cant target a scum - if it does it goes randomly to someone else - but can it randomly go to scum?

[Dunnstral]

Vote Count

Titus

- 7 (Drixx, Klick, Dunnstral, GuyInFreezer, Thestatusquo,

Pink Ball, Ircher

)

Klick - 4

(

Titus, Black

, Save The Dragons,

Firebringer

)

Not Voting - 2

(Frozen Angel,

Kuribo

)

With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate

Activity Check:

Day Ends Post #4610

Deadline: (expired on 2023-05-05 21:00:00)

If both Titus and Klick were town, this final Votecount would look different.

If Klick is town:
- Imagine a world were StD is town: is it possible that all of the scumteam was voting Titus (or three of them and FA not voting) and all town voting Klick? That would mean the scumteam is 4 out of {Drixx, Dunnstral, GiF, TSQ, FA}.
- Imagine a world were StD is scum: this is more likely, since we would be looking at 3 out of {Drixx, Dunnstral, GiF, TSQ, FA}, and if we assume FA is scum, only two would be voting Titus.

If Klick is scum:
- If StD is town, 3 out of {Drixx, Dunnstral, GiF, TSQ, FA}, same scenario than the one before this.
- If StD is scum, 2 out of {Drixx, Dunnstral, GiF, TSQ, FA}, could be two scums voted Titus and 5 townies led the Titus wagon.

I don't think that both of the main wagons were lead by town. At first I thought that because Titus claimed JK, it became the scumteam main priority to lim her. Given that kuribo was practically on Klick's wagon and Ircher could've voted any of them, that means at least 5 town players were virtually onto Klick. Did the entire scumteam voted as a block to avoid Klick's elimination and the scumteam is just {Drixx, Dunn, GiF, Shea}? No, of course not. Even If FA was scum and one of them wasn't it makes no sense to take that amount of effort just to get the JK out for one night, especially if they were planning of killing Black, who wasn't going to be JKed in the first place (given Black's role).

Now, the town perspective here is "yeah the scumteam preferred to kill Titus over Klick because of the JK claim", but what's the scum perspective about the mechanics of this game? Sure, if they are both town, better kill the player who could get conftowned via protecting the designated nightkill or roleblocking the player making it, and tomorrow push Klick again as an easy mislim. But that's the thing, you can't do that with this mechanics, because Klick could get conftowned if he got a lover role and got access to the lover PT. He could get conftowned too if Black targets him. He could get conftowned with whatever role he had on D2!

So what makes more sense: the scumteam decided to dissuade Klick's wagon in order to get the JK not available for one night but giving Klick the opportunity of getting conftowned, or that Klick is scum and that the scumteam had to put some effort to avoid his elimination?

I'm staring at this and realizing there were probably 2-3 mafia voting Titus.

And I'm thinking about The Drixx-TSQ thing where Drixx town told by reacting to a fake day vig shot by TSQ.

I think mafia could still have preferred Titus once they claimed, even if Titus wasn't going to protect Black. It might be worth investigating how player's stances around Titus evolved after the claim and if they match up with the positions held before the claim.

[Dunnstral]

Let's clear up mech a little here. Let's assume Firebringer is mafia and is in possession of the Caterer. The role does

not

need to specifically, coincidentally rand onto Firebringer. Any of Firebringer's teammates could have received the Caterer role, and then Firebringer can "switch" fake claims with that mafia player as a more advantageous player inside of the PoE. This increases the odds from 1/15 to hitting Firebringer to something like 4/15 of hitting Firebringer's team.


I'm not saying that this is what happened. I think the most likely explanation is that Firebringer simply received the Caterer normally, and 4/15 is still pretty low odds.

I'm not completely familiar with the caterer role

what I understood is it cant target a scum - if it does it goes randomly to someone else - but can it randomly go to scum?

Yeah it can randomly go to mafia. But as a fake claim; they can't actually use the role, so it would then be randomly redistributed the next day instead of distributed as described by the role.

[Dunnstral]

FA you say we should be focusing in a pool including you but you want to claim last for some reason. And I don't understand why you need to claim last if your role does not have an active targeting part.

I'm not seeing your claim in that post.