TM 2023 | Super Mario Bros Mafia | Game Over!

[Adorable]

Don't presume power-ups in the consideration of setup speculation. Power-ups intend to be a prize and it loses the point of being a prize if it gets factored into the setup balance.

What do you mean here? Are you saying that the power ups shouldn't be considered part of the setup at all, or just that since they can go to either Town or Scum, the balance impact is negligible? Or something else?

The latter.

[Radical Rat]

Okay so I think that's wrong. The balance consideration here is that you wouldn't want a single power up to make or break the game on its own, regardless of who gets it. So, if there's a power up that interacts with a claimed role in such a way that creates a broken situation, that's going to raise alarms. Additionally some abilities could suggest the existence of mitigating roles to prevent such situations.

Personally, I don't think we've reached a point where anything is super unreasonable yet, but also I am Not a balance expert as I have no actual experience designing Mafia setups and haven't really looked at data on it. Jingle has extensive experience in making mechanically complex setups, so I'd defer to his judgement most of the time on balance/design issues, unless there's a reason to suspect he's lying deliberately.

Though it is also worth noting that does not make Jingle or anyone else, including Cakez and the review team, infallible. So while speculation around setup balance can be a useful tool, it shouldn't be the only thing in consideration, though it doesn't look like anyone's actually doing that here.

[Fate]

Don't presume power-ups in the consideration of setup speculation. Power-ups intend to be a prize and it loses the point of being a prize if it gets factored into the setup balance.

That’s… a garbage take. Of course the power ups are going to be a factor in setup balance. We don’t have newbies where we suddenly grant a player a vig kill because they made a really funny post, because that would be horribly unbalanced and bad for the game. We don’t let people dayvig on their scumdays because that would fuck with game balance and be bad for games. Similarly, every aspect of this game, from roles to powerups to flavor are all factors in how the game is designed. Given that this is team mafia and not a bastard meme setup, cakez at least attempted to make it balanced.

Fwiw Staegs response was

"Is this a troll account?"

Such faith in humanity these Aquarians....

[Fate]

I personally am having my first almost laugh realizing that the claimed Beloved Bodyguard thinks the power ups (double vote) and a power up that commutes as negligible

Or somehow not relevant to set up speculation

Heh

[Fate]

My almost first laugh today because the sun is out BUT THE WATERS ARE DEEP

[HighPrincessErinys]

the real setup spec is whats the last mario powerup getting represented. what if its the beeshroom. wouldnt that fucked up.

[Jingle]

Such faith in humanity these Aquarians....

My mystic crystals are incredibly revealing, FYI.

Also, a public rolestop is actually very powerful for town and situationally mildly powerful for scum, particularly with an investigation virtually confirmed on the night it's available. Also also, I've seen enough Cakez setups to have a rough idea of how he balances things. Tomorrow, we have a lot of information to work with on that angle and since cerbs is almost certainly flipping scum.

[Adorable]

Should I just hammer Cerb or wait until he posts?

[Jingle]

I mean... I'm good either way. I just don't see his D1 play coming from town that has a BP shot. Particularly the bit about "I love being scummy enough to not be shot" seems like a something that never comes from town cerbs' perspective as a bp.

[Adorable]

VOTE: Cerb

[Fate]

WOW SHE DID CONTRIBUTE


SUCH FAITJ BEING RESTORED MY GOD

[HighPrincessErinys]

If Cerb flips scum this one will eat a chair.

[Fate]

If Cerb flips scum this one will eat a chair.

Film the vid since you're living tonight

[petapan]

If Cerb flips scum this one will eat a chair.

he's been in surrender mode lol like he just gave up doing all that work he said he was gonna do

[Radical Rat]

I already ran through some options for scum teams lemme see if I saved my notes

I'm interested in seeing this still if you get back in time

[Fate]

Oh wow THE REIGN OF TWILIGHT

[Fate]

Remember kill Peta

[Fate]

If I get shot let that be my case.

And again, IF CERB FLIPS NON GHOST MY ACTION IS POTENTIALLY IMPORTANT

[Fate]

LLD also say i should tell fate that #JoatClaimsAreScum is a truism, and as with all truisms, it eventually comes false, like Ythan in OoT mafia as link

Wdym it led to a bad claim

her words, not mine

i think the claim is w/e and not worth pushing it on day 1

her clarification is that it came under minimal duress thinking it would remove pressure, and that's a bad way to claim (fwiw i agree but that type of claim is >rand town)

[Fate]

Defends Cerbs claim through LLD multiple times. Interaction today scummy as fuck, basically claimed scum when I flipped tables on them and called them out for not bussing

Damn I went and made a case anyway maximum effort

[SirCakez]

Votecount 2.7

Cerberus v666 (5) - Fate, Radical Rat, wgeurts, Jingle, Adorable
Radical Rat (2) - HighPrincessErinys, Petapan

Not voting (1) - Cerberus v666

(expired on 2023-05-08 13:31:00) remain until day end

With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority.

[SirCakez]

Cerberus v666 has been eliminated day 2! He was

Kamek, a 3-shot JOAT aligned with the Mafia

Welcome to Super Mario Bros Mafia Cerberus v666!

You are Kamek, a 3-shot JOAT aligned with the Mafia

"Welcome! It's time to face my magic!"

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to eliminate.
-During days 1-3, you may vote for another player to receive a power-up during the first 48 hours.
-You may discuss at all times with your Mafia partner in Bowser's castle here: [Redacted]
-Each night, you or your partner may use the factional nightkill to attempt to attack and kill another player.
-You have magic spellcasting powers that you can use against the Town. Each night, you may cast a spell on another player to either Roleblock or Rolecop them. You may only use this ability three times for the entire game. There is no limit on which type of spell you can choose to cast - you may perform 3 Roleblocks, 3 Rolecops, or any mix inbetween.

You win once all threats to the

Mafia

have been eliminated or nothing can prevent this from happening.
The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?t=90837

[SirCakez]

Night 2 begins! It will end in (expired on 2023-05-09 16:07:00)

[SirCakez]

Fate has been killed night two! He was

Luigi, a Ghost Hunter

Welcome to Super Mario Bros Mafia Fate!

You are Luigi, a Ghost Hunter aligned with The Town

"Hello? M-Mario?"

Abilities

-During the day, you may vote for whoever you want to eliminate.
-During days 1-3, you may vote for another player to receive a power-up during the first 48 hours.
-Each night, you may investigate another player to determine if any paranormal activity takes place around them that night.

You win once all threats to the

Town

have been eliminated.
The game thread is here: viewtopic.php?t=90837

[SirCakez]

Today's Power-Up

The Mushroom

-Whoever gains this power-up will be able to use it one time at night by giving it to another player. That player will be powered-up and protected from killing actions for that night.