Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[kuribo]

You can say "well it might have got randomed to a dead player" but first post day 4 Shea wouldn't know where it ended up

[Drixx]

So there's two possible worlds here:

One is where kuribo cooked up a very savvy fake claim. That would be the world where Kuribo and Ircher are scum with TSQ, who was pulled into the claim chain as the game progressed and it was necessary to further "confirm" kuribo when nobody else in the game ever got a lover role. PB gets implicated in this world, but it's not absolutely necessary for PB to be scum. PB could be non scum tracking FB to TSQ, and TSQ can claim the role if it rands into scum.


The other world is one where Kuribo, Ircher and TSQ are all essentially conftown, with PB as a paranoia slot given how the PB/Black posts went down on day 2. If we assume we're in that world, we have the following to work with:

Drixx, Dunnstral, Frozen Angel, GuyInFreezer, Save The Dragons

That's five slots with minimum 3 scum and maximum four.

I would rope them in following order, I think: Dunn, GIF, FA, STD

PB as the paranoia slot is the wildcard in such a world.

[Save The Dragons]

You can say "well it might have got randomed to a dead player" but first post day 4 Shea wouldn't know where it ended up

Or another scum has it

[Save The Dragons]

Like

“Kuribo could be lying about lover”
Yeah what about the part about his visionary?

“TSQ could be in kahoot about the visionary?”
Yeah what about the part where PB tracked FB giving caterer role to TSQ?

“PB could be in kahoot with above”
Yeah what about the part where PB was nudging Black over the caterer role?

Like

????????????

You still don't seem to get that PB could have tracked FB to a scum shea. It's possible. Likely? I dunno. Bur until you realize the mechanics is different from what you are preaching stop clearing people

You do realize that I’m arguing PB town here for something that is not related to tracker here right

I'm talking about you magically clearing shea when the caterer role could have hit him and bounced

Likely? I dunno. Possible? Ffs yes

[Pink Ball]

StD I think nobody is arguing against the idea that it being possible, but it's REALLY improbable

[GuyInFreezer]

I did recognize it. As 2%, and then as 1% after PB tracker claim.

[Pink Ball]

Yeah I think GiF is the one who stands out the most out of the five so I'm ready to end the day

[kuribo]

It's also possible that you're not really Save the Dragons and that you're a home invader who has the real STD tied up while playing mafia on the original's account but that ain't likely either, and we're trying to deal in reality here

[Pink Ball]

Strategically, voting Drixx is still the right choice

[Pink Ball]

This is the typical situation where the game becomes so townsided that it actually becomes scumsided because of paranoia

The fun thing is that it's the scumteam trying to convince the town that they should be more paranoid

[Drixx]

Strategically, voting Drixx is still the right choice

Incorrect.

The fact that the scum team has killed the caterer every time they knew about it implies they had no other way to handle the problem. That implies four scum instead of three.

Drixx, Dunnstral, Frozen Angel, GuyInFreezer, Save The Dragons

If the above is the PoE, then that means I'm the only town left in it. If you rope me, the game ends.


Also ... is there a reason we didn't cater into Kuribo/Ircher at some point? Seems weird that one "chain" of clears keeps drawing NKs, but not the other, and we never thought to actually 100% conftown them in that way. Of course, I didn't ever say to do so, so that's as much on me as anyone.

[Thestatusquo]

You can say "well it might have got randomed to a dead player" but first post day 4 Shea wouldn't know where it ended up

Or another scum has it

But in that world the visionary claim would be fake, so if I run that fake claim the whole this is just completely busted if someone else happened to target me. I would not know I was only targeted by firebringer and be able to claim it straight away.

So what you're saying would require:
1) me being targeted by fb
2) pb to be lying about tracking fb to me.
3) in this world the scum team rands the role which is at most 4/15.
4) kuribo and I to just yolo fake an easily disproved visionary claim that busts up everything if anyone happened to have targeted me in a game where there are about 5000 roles that target.
5) I do this immediately and me and kuribo despite being coordinated and expecting each other to do this miscommunicate on the exact wording of the message and don't understand each other.

[kuribo]

And by the way, regarding Klick, it's real funny STD keeps shading about that when... y'know... STD coulda tracked the caterer like anyone else would do and saved us that WHOLE FUCKING DISCUSSION DAY THREE

but keep throwing shade on ME not being townie when you're the one that claims to have wasted a track AND to have tried to shoot town

AND you're throwing Fucking shade on TSQ after YOUVE ALREADY TRACKED HIM NOWHERE

[Save The Dragons]

Town deserves the L here

[Save The Dragons]

Town is blowing this really hard

[Drixx]

This is the typical situation where the game becomes so townsided that it actually becomes scumsided because of paranoia

The fun thing is that it's the scumteam trying to convince the town that they should be more paranoid

Any town who wants to lynch me before the rest of the PoE should definitely have their heads checked. I obvtowned a bunch this game.

[Drixx]

Town deserves the L here

We have a member who self-hammered. Of course we deserve to lose.

[Save The Dragons]

I got no result I didn't track him to nowhere

[Thestatusquo]

Please don't use the L word.

[Pink Ball]

Yeah no

[Ircher]

Why are you so fixated on the lover part
It’s not like lover role isn’t the only role Kuribo rolled that was confirmed by others.

Because it's super unlikely for such a role pairing to have played out the way it has. And because once the game dragged on long enough that people would naturally be getting super suspicious, along comes a "vision" claim.

I'm also pretty sure that there have been no other "named" roles claimed this game. I've only seen one "scripted" part, and it didn't have a proper name. As far as I'm aware, nobody besides Ircher and Kuribo have claimed to be given a role with a "proper" name.

ALL OF THE FUCKING ROLES HAVE NAMES

"Sassy Cab Driver" is not a proper name in the way that "Romeo" or "Juliet" are names.

Literally nobody but you has claimed their scripted role had a proper name.

Rage more. It's feeding me.

This is such a bad argument.

[Pink Ball]

Strategically, voting Drixx is still the right choice

Incorrect.

The fact that the scum team has killed the caterer every time they knew about it implies they had no other way to handle the problem. That implies four scum instead of three.

Drixx, Dunnstral, Frozen Angel, GuyInFreezer, Save The Dragons

If the above is the PoE, then that means I'm the only town left in it. If you rope me, the game ends.


Also ... is there a reason we didn't cater into Kuribo/Ircher at some point? Seems weird that one "chain" of clears keeps drawing NKs, but not the other, and we never thought to actually 100% conftown them in that way. Of course, I didn't ever say to do so, so that's as much on me as anyone.

So basically you're willing to lim anybody except you

[Ircher]

Corrupt Judge; Sassy Cab Driver

Are not the same as "Romeo" and "Juliet"

Can you spot the difference? One has adjectives and nouns. The other features only a single proper noun.

[Frozen Angel]

that seems like a really weird tone to take considering the lim seems to be way more likely to go on std than you right now. Basically no one has mentioned you at all.

PB Voted me and then unvoted me and FA said they were going to vote me?

where did I say I'm going to vote you? I stated few posts back that I hope the game goes to Thursday night friday so I can deep dive in all the pages I missed.

I am just mechanically sorting the poe like what I expected you to be doing

[Frozen Angel]

I mean ... is nobody but me bothered by the fact that the "lovers" never ended up on anyone else, and that just when we would be likely to start poking in that direction, then all of a sudden there's a "clutch" vision result that "clears" kuribo (and with him, the two people whose posts have cleared him). It's a neat little closed loop, and it stinks.

I did consider this

that's why I'm saying we have basically two group of people and one definitely is the majority of scum. its either kuribo ircher shea (and pb I guess) or the other side

but there is no world/scenario where none of commuter claimers are scum {drixx GIF dun} cause if all three are town then bnoth kuriobo and ircher are town (cause we cant have 2 more scum) so shea is also town and we don't have enough people to consider scum. which means at least one commuter claimer lied and is scum so my poe is on the 3 how is that wrong assumption/analysis?