Amnesiac Mafia: The Movie! That's a Wrap!

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think you tried to sort me at all

[Pink Ball]

i don't think you tried to sort me at all

This is the exact reason why I'm not interacting with you anymore

You're just reiterating shit. You're just trying to make this discussion go forever.

I'm cutting the ropes.

[Save The Dragons]

then show me where you tried to sort me

[Save The Dragons]

show me something that's not "but scum you would do this"

[Save The Dragons]

I completely trust STD claims

what changed for you

[Ircher]

i don't think you tried to sort me at all

show me something that's not "but scum you would do this"

Fas turn on me doesn't feel believable.

PBS been openly wolfy all day

And the most opportunistic vote goes to...

What happened with PB and Ircher?

What happened with GiF?

You still don't seem to get that PB could have tracked FB to a scum shea. It's possible. Likely? I dunno. Bur until you realize the mechanics is different from what you are preaching stop clearing people

Do you understand how the caterer works?

But I did find something interesting:

GiF is right, there are 16 roles instead of 15: all the PRs that we already know and 6 VTs. D1 is missing the Vig, the Tracker and the Gravedigger
Gravedigger and Tracker are real: Shea got the gravedigger yesterday and I got the tracker on D3.
Only role that has no confirmation is the vig, which conveniently is on a player who's alive today, but given the 16 roles instead of 15, it could be that one of the VTs is fake and it was actually a scum who fakeclaimed and randed the vig.

Another theory that we talked with Jingle back on D2: there could be 16 roles; that way the lovers get nerfed and make the game a little less townsided. Given how things went the rest of the days, this theory gets more credit now.

But what really caught my attention was this:
Drixx: Commuter, VT, VT
GiF: VT, Commuter, VT
Dunn: VT, VT, Commuter

Commuter is actually a great role for scum in this setup: it gives enough WIFOM about the comfirmable amnesiac roles to the point that some night actions could be disregarded via Commuter claim (Caterer targeted you and you didn't get the role? "Oh I was a commuter"; Visionary and someone else targeted you and you didn't claim receiving a vision? "Oh I commuted last night"; etc). The thing is, Titus started this discussion when Drixx claimed the Commuter, saying that he should've claimed it on D1, and GiF shut down that conversation by claiming the Commuter himself.

So what to do with this connection, knowing that the most likely scenario is that there are four scum members inside {StD,FA,GiF,Drixx,Dunn}?
- The three claimed commuters are scum and 1 scum in {StD,FA}. Why would GiF be going after Dunn in this scenario? While I think the scumteam's strategy is not bussing unless absolutely necessary (because one more night means more chances of town getting conftowned), if StD is the remaining partner it's completely valid to throw Dunn under the bus just to control the rethoric of the game for future days; GiF and co would know that there will be another day to play so making a GiF/Dunn 1v1 makes the other look good the next day. I think the real objective of this scumteam is missliming FA, which GiF started this day saying that was a possibility too.
- Two of three claimed commuters are scum. This one is based on two things: I still townread GiF by play; and the VC at EoD2. I think either GiF or Dunn where caught in the crossfire pushing Titus instead of Klick and I'm inclined to believe that GiF was the one caught there. BUT there's the connection between Drixx and GiF: even if the commuter was a real amnesiac role (confirmed by town!Dunn in this scenario), the way it was claimed on D2 and how GiF followed is concerning. I think that Dunn not claiming it on D3 is actually pro town. The remaining scum would be StD and FA.

And that's it, there are no other scenarios because of the PoE I have. Scenario 1 could discard the idea of voting between {StD,FA} even if everything points out to StD being scum. Scenario 2 discards the idea of voting between {GiF,Dunn}.

Drixx is the only confscum in both scenarios.

I guess I strongly think pb, kuribo, ircher are town

I guess I strongly think pb, kuribo, ircher are town

Why PB but not Black?

Because it's not mech based

the lovers claim certainly sounds like garbage in every way

is it true? i dunno. maybe killing ircher will tell us, scum aren't going to kill them unless they kick it up a notch

This you?

im not interested in kuribo or ircher today

I guess I strongly think pb, kuribo, ircher are town

you got me, no time has passed and many people have claimed the lovers role, not just the two that have had it, so there's no reason for my opinion to change

But you said your townreads on ircher and kuribo weren't mech related. 5442 implies that your initial read was based on mech then?

i said my read on you wasn't mech related

Ohhh I thought you meant the three of us

Why did you think I was aligned with Dragons?

StD and you being scum were different thoughts at the time and StD stated his paranoia towards Shea/Ircher/kuribo so if I was right I was expecting for him to push either Shea or kuribo first but then he said he would vote you so the association fell off

JFC there's a world where kuribo, ircher, and shea are all scum we need to at least pretend to explore it

And if this was true who would you vote first?

ircher

Ah fuck, good answer

JFC there's a world where kuribo, ircher, and shea are all scum we need to at least pretend to explore it

Feeling a little cornered?

Nooooo let him answer my question first I'm cooking something

Vote Count

Titus

- 7 (Drixx, Klick, Dunnstral, GuyInFreezer, Thestatusquo,

Pink Ball, Ircher

)

Klick - 4

(

Titus, Black

, Save The Dragons,

Firebringer

)

Not Voting - 2

(Frozen Angel,

Kuribo

)

With 13 Alive, It Takes 7 to Eliminate

Activity Check:

Day Ends Post #4610

Deadline: (expired on 2023-05-05 21:00:00)

If both Titus and Klick were town, this final Votecount would look different.

If Klick is town:
- Imagine a world were StD is town: is it possible that all of the scumteam was voting Titus (or three of them and FA not voting) and all town voting Klick? That would mean the scumteam is 4 out of {Drixx, Dunnstral, GiF, TSQ, FA}.
- Imagine a world were StD is scum: this is more likely, since we would be looking at 3 out of {Drixx, Dunnstral, GiF, TSQ, FA}, and if we assume FA is scum, only two would be voting Titus.

If Klick is scum:
- If StD is town, 3 out of {Drixx, Dunnstral, GiF, TSQ, FA}, same scenario than the one before this.
- If StD is scum, 2 out of {Drixx, Dunnstral, GiF, TSQ, FA}, could be two scums voted Titus and 5 townies led the Titus wagon.

I don't think that both of the main wagons were lead by town. At first I thought that because Titus claimed JK, it became the scumteam main priority to lim her. Given that kuribo was practically on Klick's wagon and Ircher could've voted any of them, that means at least 5 town players were virtually onto Klick. Did the entire scumteam voted as a block to avoid Klick's elimination and the scumteam is just {Drixx, Dunn, GiF, Shea}? No, of course not. Even If FA was scum and one of them wasn't it makes no sense to take that amount of effort just to get the JK out for one night, especially if they were planning of killing Black, who wasn't going to be JKed in the first place (given Black's role).

Now, the town perspective here is "yeah the scumteam preferred to kill Titus over Klick because of the JK claim", but what's the scum perspective about the mechanics of this game? Sure, if they are both town, better kill the player who could get conftowned via protecting the designated nightkill or roleblocking the player making it, and tomorrow push Klick again as an easy mislim. But that's the thing, you can't do that with this mechanics, because Klick could get conftowned if he got a lover role and got access to the lover PT. He could get conftowned too if Black targets him. He could get conftowned with whatever role he had on D2!

So what makes more sense: the scumteam decided to dissuade Klick's wagon in order to get the JK not available for one night but giving Klick the opportunity of getting conftowned, or that Klick is scum and that the scumteam had to put some effort to avoid his elimination?

[Save The Dragons]

5862 is bullshit
i don't know why you quoted 5597
5516 isn't really about me at all
5448 and 5451 aren't sorting?!?
5359 has me as scum already?
5242 is weird but maybe valid
5237 doesn't prove anything
4768 was yesterday????

ircher if you are town you have really blown it

[Save The Dragons]

that is not me calling you bad at mafia for the record

[Pink Ball]

How is interacting with you not sorting you?

What do you define by sorting? Or will I never have the right answer here because "I'm town and you are scumreading me so you're clearly not sorting me"?

[Save The Dragons]

what do you want to ask me that would help you get out of your tunnel and help confirm my alignment to you

[Pink Ball]

Assume that your paranoia is just that, paranoia. Leave me in your PoE if you want, but leave Ircher, kuribo and Shea out.
Your PoE would be {PB,FA,GiF,Drixx,Dunn}
You've called me and FA scum because we have both pushed you. Assume this day restarts and neither me or FA have pushed you yet.

Who's the town out of those 5 and why

[Pink Ball]

Take your time to answer this is not a "live interaction" kind of question

[Ircher]

5862 is bullshit
i don't know why you quoted 5597
5516 isn't really about me at all
5448 and 5451 aren't sorting?!?
5359 has me as scum already?
5242 is weird but maybe valid
5237 doesn't prove anything
4768 was yesterday????

ircher if you are town you have really blown it

Sure, 4768 was yesterday, but you didn't say the post had to be today.
I didn't quote 5862. I quoted 5826. You may not be happy with the conclusion, but Pink Ball was at least attempting to understand what happened. Pink Ball saw an inconsistency and asked you why. That's sorting.
5516 shows Pink Ball isn't just tunneling you. It shows he is looking beyond just you.
5448 and 5451 are again evidence that Pink Ball is trying to understand your mindset. Pink Ball could have just assumed the worst, but instead, he reached out for clarification.

[Save The Dragons]

if this day never happened i would probably have thought you were town, gif was town, and fa was town and would try to figure out which one(s) im wrong about

i think i would probably suspect you because i would have wanted to go back to the PB/Black interaction from D2.

i think i wouldn't catch FA

i think i would be tunneled on drixx

i think i would notice dunn is only posting in response to dunn's name being called out and isn't posting much else but i'd probably also let klick's read influence me a little.

the other thing is shea is not in this POE and i would probably have doubts about him as well

[Save The Dragons]

cephrir wants to know why this is the only thing you've cared about all game, ircher

[T-Bone]

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Day 4 Vote Count

Not Voting - 9

(Drixx, Dunnstral, Frozen Angel, GuyInFreezer, Ircher, Kuribo, Pink Ball, Save The Dragons, Thestatusquo)

With 9 Alive, It Takes 5 to Eliminate

Activity Check:

All Good!

Deadline: (expired on 2023-05-18 11:00:00)

[Ircher]

cephrir wants to know why this is the only thing you've cared about all game, ircher

It's not. Just because I don't have 400+ posts doesn't mean I'm not paying attention.

[Save The Dragons]

ok but like what are your thoughts

[GuyInFreezer]

i also never called your play bad and don't think it is

i'm asking you to sort me and honestly tell me that all the shit i've said today and in the past comes from scum

all i seem to have gotten was a "well i disagree with your stupid NAs" and it's fine to disagree but where's the scum motivation not to just lie with a different role instead of invent a role that no one had i don't get it or if you believe the vig what was i doing with ircher as scum that 's so bad i had to protect myself in a tracking situation with a vig shot

like how does this make sense i don't get it

I mean it's just gonna happen to all of us who's in PoE. If they think the group are conftown, then all they really need is one solid townread today and they can just ditch the rest.
Like do you strongly townread someone in the PoE?

[Save The Dragons]

not strongly

[Thestatusquo]

StD I don't know what you expect from people who scum read you. Like you seem to be saying that any attempt to sort you that ends in the conclusion that you're not town is illegitimate and I don't really know what me or anyone else is supposed to do with that analysis. Scum are always going to say that the people town reading them are wrong and from what I can see the claims that people are not trying to sort you are like...just not true? I think people have stated many reasons for scum reading you and while you might disagree with those just saying "well I'm town, so fu" isn't particularly a convincing response.

If you want to town case yourself I'm willing to listen. If you don't want to do that and want to continue doing whatever it is you're doing right now I don't have any conclusion that isn't 'well, he's scum.'

The claim that people aren't trying to sort you and haven't been putting thought into your slot are just flatly wrong, as ircher pointed out.

idrk what else to say, dude. If I end up being wrong on you at the end of this game I'm sorry? That's kind of just how the game goes.

[Save The Dragons]

i think you should recognize my play from legends of the business company

[Thestatusquo]

Is your play as scum and town really so wildly different? I don't think I've played with scum you before and you don't seem to be doing anything particularly not fakable to me.

[Save The Dragons]

i used my night actions how i wanted to to try and find scum

i've asked people what possible reason i would have to target ircher as scum and gotten no response

i've asked people what the scum agenda is for claiming the way i did and got no response

i've asked people what the scum agenda is for my play this dayphase and gotten no response

i've literally been honest with people

[Save The Dragons]

im a liberated townie

not a calculating scumbutt