Mini Normal 2299 | Postgame [Village win]

[redFF]

Its 5-2 rn. We lim town here we are in 3-2 lylo tomorrow.

[bristep123]

Not keen on a mass claim as the tracker should only nk if they have pertinent info, same with the watcher. If the traitor is bulletproof as speculated then right now they’re still unknown to scum and we may just give them open targets to pick off and ensure they keep getting the right night target.

Alliana, Drew and Flippy are the choices, I realise that I can be put in that group for everyone else but from my perspective it’s one of those 3.

Looking at the voting pattern yesterday I’m leaning towards Flippy. Hu voted them possibly to distance since the wagon on Hu was growing, while Flippy sat on Alianna behind Drew actively calling out they were just sheeping him - possible attempt to pocket him.

[Deltabreedy]

More for my benefit than anything else:

So with the assumption being that neither Theta nor I are groupscum, we're limming in a pool of 5 with 2 Mafiosos - within which there is one un-counterclaimed tracker.

So our pool today then is 4 people:
- Doctor Drew
- Alianna
- Bristep
- Emperor

Within which we have mathematically a 50% chance of hitting mafioso and extending the days we have, a 25% chance of hitting the groupscum and winning the game today.

My gut was originally to PoE out Bristep because they were first on the wagon, but their reasoning was pretty weak and their ISO is disappointingly minimal. Almost nothing to go off of.
Alianna and Drew were off the wagon - Alianna in particular making reference to wanting to see a claim but not really doing much for the wagon felt a bit odd, but the rebuttal of my RedFF pontificating felt kinda townie? Can someone go over the Alianna scumreading because it's happened a few times as I recall.

Drew being keen on Alianna over Hu Tao, whilst still being okay with Hu Tao getting the axe doesn't feel like a natural development. They've barely mentioned Hu Tao over the course of the game, apart from to try and convince Theta to hop off the wagon to Alianna here: #834.

This interaction doesn't feel like Scum to Scum (going off the idea that Theta knows who scum are but can't talk to them), and to be honest it feels a bit like Doctor Drew looking to power up a CW to Hu Tao whilst apparently being okay with their lim. To me this reads as scum setting themselves up for being on the Hu Tao wagon in spirit.

I can't read Emperor, which I really don't like.

For now,
VOTE: Doctor Drew

[Deltabreedy]

Yeah nah Bri for me I think that Flippy's play reads as disengagement I guess? But that's not even AI so I hate that I can't get a grasp on them.

[Theta Alpine]

Not keen on a mass claim as the tracker should only nk if they have pertinent info, same with the watcher. If the traitor is bulletproof as speculated then right now they’re still unknown to scum and we may just give them open targets to pick off and ensure they keep getting the right night target.

Alliana, Drew and Flippy are the choices, I realise that I can be put in that group for everyone else but from my perspective it’s one of those 3.

Looking at the voting pattern yesterday I’m leaning towards Flippy. Hu voted them possibly to distance since the wagon on Hu was growing, while Flippy sat on Alianna behind Drew actively calling out they were just sheeping him - possible attempt to pocket him.

nice idea in theory
but in practice scum only has one more night kill they need to do before it is lim or lose
and that night kill will just be red

so no
it is mass claim time i think

[redFF]

I probably owe this game a reread. I took friday off work for zelda so ill have a long weekend with some time.

I have alianna as town too, and bristep, so im between drew and emp rn. But i will try to reread.

[Alianna]

Hu Tao was executed! They were a

Werewolf Watcher-Enabler Ninja

.

Role PM:

Spoiler:

Welcome to Mini Normal 2299!

You are a

Werewolf Watcher-Enabler Ninja

.

You know that the Wolves' faction is composed of [REDACTED].

You have the following factional abilities:

• Wolf chat
  — you can talk with the other members of the Wolves' faction at any time [REDACTED].
  
• Wolf kill
  — each night, if no other member of the Wolves' faction use this ability, you may target a living player. Assuming no interference with your action, your target will die.

You have the following nonfactional passive abilities:

• Watcher-Enabler
  — when you die, the role "Watcher" will cease to function for all players.
  
• Ninja
  — actions performed by you are not visible to action-investigative roles.

You have no nonfactional active abilities.

You win when at least one member of the Wolves' faction is alive and all members of the Village's faction are dead, or when nothing can prevent the same.

The game thread is located here.
Confirm by replying to this PM with a summary of your role, or by posting the same in the Wolves' PT.

Mod put this in with the sole purpose of trolling me.
I’m Watcher. Not sure if it’s beneficial to reveal my info yet, especially if we’re massclaiming.

[Doctor Drew]

I don't think my role has much utility anymore, and I may have a soft clear(possibly, but given the abilities that scum have I believe it is) on Alianna.

I am and even night informed finder, odd night enabler finder.

N1 I investigated FL, he was not informed(obviously). This is why initially I lock towned him, though kind of waffled when I realized I misunderstood what informed meant(I thought it was like Mafia is the 'informed minority's), but then double checked the wiki and it just means someone with extra info if the setup or roles etc. So with a traitor out there I believe the Mafia or the traitor is informed about this, or at least one of them is if that makes sense.

N2 I found out Kitty is not an enabler.

Last night I found out Alianna is not informed.

[Doctor Drew]

And specifically the result comes back as they are not an informed, not that they are not informed. Not sure if that difference is important.

[bristep123]

I can confirm that I am a villager, nothing more.

[Theta Alpine]

hmmm

i am vanilla
i do not have any passive or active abilities

traitor i believe would count as an informed
group werewolves themselves would be informed as a factional trait not a personal one
but i think alianna might be cleared anyways

something still does not add up though
will wait for everyone else to claim and see

[Theta Alpine]

Not sure if it’s beneficial to reveal my info yet, especially if we’re massclaiming.

wait until everyone has claimed yeah
see if someone slips up
that would make our job much easier

[Deltabreedy]

UNVOTE: Doctor Drew

Unvoting until after these all come through and re-evaluating.

Villager here.

[redFF]

Emperor should claim

[Doctor Drew]

And specifically the result comes back as they are not an informed, not that they are not informed. Not sure if that difference is important.

For clarification, their role does not include the word 'Informed'.

[bristep123]

Theta - Informed is part time of a role title, kittytacky was informed that’s how it was confirmed that we have a traitor. Stands to reason there may be an informed scum as well in that third slot but not for certain. Any rule speculation on whether any faction were inherently classed as informed would be moot, it’s specifically a role ability.

[bristep123]

*part, not part time. Hate typing on my phone!

[Doctor Drew]

Theta - Informed is part time of a role title, kittytacky was informed that’s how it was confirmed that we have a traitor. Stands to reason there may be an informed scum as well in that third slot but not for certain. Any rule speculation on whether any faction were inherently classed as informed would be moot, it’s specifically a role ability.

First off, I flip flopped my night abilities.....should be odd night informed finder, even night enabler finder. Hence finding out last Night that Alianna is not an informed role.

Second, I guess my role is possibly meant to find scum one night and possibly clear town another night? Thinking this because both scum have been enablers, and Kitty was informed.

So maybe it doesn't really clear Alianna as much as I first thought.

[Alianna]

Do you think there's a significant possibility that the mod put a watcher and a watcher-enabler ninja on the same scumteam?

[Doctor Drew]

Do you think there's a significant possibility that the mod put a watcher and a watcher-enabler ninja on the same scumteam?

No, but I am looking at it through the lens of my role.

Also, we don't know if you are actually a watcher.

At the very least you can acknowledge that I have been spelling your name right here.

[Alianna]

Congratulations lol.

[Deltabreedy]

@Mod:

V/LA for 30-ish hours from now.

Do we still have any claims outstanding? Don't think we've seen a flippy one.

@Alianna & Drew

To be honest I don't know what to make of the roles this game. I can't say it's something to rule out and I don't think a same-team watcher/watcher-enabler would count as bastard.

That said, there's been a trend for scum enablers to town PRs so it would be a bit of a stretch to suggest a scum watcher, in my opinion.

Again, we're missing claims so I feel pretty out of my depth when it comes to the massclaim.

[Alianna]

I'll go make a proper list of claims.

[Deltabreedy]

That'd be appreciated.

I'll try and hop on whilst on my way to and fro tomorrow but no guarantees I'm afraid.

[Doctor Drew]

@Mod:

V/LA for 30-ish hours from now.

Do we still have any claims outstanding? Don't think we've seen a flippy one.

@Alianna & Drew

To be honest I don't know what to make of the roles this game. I can't say it's something to rule out and I don't think a same-team watcher/watcher-enabler would count as bastard.

That said, there's been a trend for scum enablers to town PRs so it would be a bit of a stretch to suggest a scum watcher, in my opinion.

Again, we're missing claims so I feel pretty out of my depth when it comes to the massclaim.

I am saying that Alianna claiming watcher doesn't mean she is a watcher, especially after we just had a flip of watcher-enabler.