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Post Post #1175 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:35 pm

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In post 1106, Deltabreedy wrote: The fact that there's no hammer suggests to me that Theta isn't scum. I know I'm not and the same logic that clears Theta also clears myself.
It doesn't mean she isn't scum, only that she isn't scum with myself or Drew (because if she was, she'd have hammered Emperor). Theta/Emperor is still a viable team, and from my POV, almost confirmed to be the solve.
In post 1106, Deltabreedy wrote:My issue is figuring out if Emperor is a traitor. I don't like that both Alianna and Drew are doing the same things. Is there a world in which Alianna and Drew are the traitor & groupscum?
I understand why you would consider this. It just isn't the case.
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Post Post #1176 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:35 pm

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In post 1099, Theta Alpine wrote: alright then

i am going to take that as confirmation that alianna and doctor drew are scum together

VOTE: doctor drew

i cannot believe that lazy would ever make sense on scum
flippy i think is just mislim bait
not actually scum
In post 1136, Theta Alpine wrote: lazy as a modifier just
does not ever go on scum

flippy is low hanging fruit yes
mislim bait
much like me and delta were as well
In post 1148, Theta Alpine wrote: there is no reason for scum to have lazy
i have fully accepted losing the game if it is flippy scum
they are mislim bait
not actually scum
This here is why I think it's Theta/Emperor.
Lazy is a legal modifier to put on scum. Even though it's a bit of an odd one, this is a complex setup and I feel like we should be expecting stuff like that. It's definitely not worth betting the game on.
Being limbait doesn't make a player town. Limbait players are limbait because their play resembles that of scum. Other than the lazy modifier, there's no reason given for why that sort of play is coming from town here.
This is pretty much the whole case for why Emperor is town, and Theta's confidence in it seems unreasonable. However, that changes if you look at it from the perspective of traitor!Theta with groupscum!Emperor. Since the traitor is endgamed and loses if the last groupscum dies, they have to keep groupscum alive at all costs. It suddenly makes sense why Theta would be willing to bet the game on such a flimsy case. She literally has to.
Even if Emperor wasn't confirmed scum to me, this would still be incredibly suspicious.
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Post Post #1177 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:35 pm

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In post 1151, Emperor flippyNips wrote: I mean, I get how I’m being sr but it doesn’t make sense for theta to be sr at this point after all the work they’ve put in
Scum can put in work and effort. In fact, it's optimal to do so.
You also say this after being lurky and disengaged all game. What exactly are people supposed to assume there?
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Post Post #1178 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:36 pm

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In post 1170, Deltabreedy wrote:
In post 959, Alianna wrote: N1 - Doctor Drew (targeted by Emperor flippyNips and Flavor Leaf)
N2 - Flavor Leaf (targeted by no one - kill was made by the ninja)
Alianna/DD - if Emperor is lying about what they did, what do you think their role is?

Because you allege that they targetted DD, but the assumption is that they're lying about being a tracker.
What? I never said that.
Please quote to me the exact post where I said/implied that Emperor is lying about being a tracker.
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Post Post #1179 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:36 pm

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Emperor flippyNips (2 = E-1):
Alianna (), Doctor Drew ()
Alianna (2 = E-1):
Emperor flippyNips (), Theta Alpine ()

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Post Post #1180 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:39 pm

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In post 1178, Alianna wrote:
In post 1170, Deltabreedy wrote:
In post 959, Alianna wrote: N1 - Doctor Drew (targeted by Emperor flippyNips and Flavor Leaf)
N2 - Flavor Leaf (targeted by no one - kill was made by the ninja)
Alianna/DD - if Emperor is lying about what they did, what do you think their role is?

Because you allege that they targetted DD, but the assumption is that they're lying about being a tracker.
What? I never said that.
Please quote to me the exact post where I said/implied that Emperor is lying about being a tracker.
To clarify, I don't mean that they can't be lying or they can't have something else as well. I just don't recall ever saying they weren't.
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Post Post #1181 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:40 pm

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In post 1171, Deltabreedy wrote: @Drew

At what point did you go from Alianna being a traitor to Theta!Traitor?
Last night probably(my time). Them going through their Night actions(Alianna I mean) and her showing that she has been questioning Flippy on their actions and read of me.

This coupled with how Theta has been so dismissive of Flippy as possible scum based off one modifier that scum could have, all while doing whatever they can to call into question my role. That is what the traitor would do, make sure group scum stays alive.

Alianna still can be group scum, but all things considered I feel much more strongly that all signs point to Flippy.

And from my perspective, I know I am not scum not the traitor, and I don't see Alianna going out of their way to keep Flippy alive, and obviously quite the opposite since she is voting Flippy.

And yes, I find it more than likely that Flippy is actually a tracker, just for scum.
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Post Post #1182 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:44 pm

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@Doc - if I'm groupscum, who's my traitor? It can't be you from your perspective, Delta's confirmed town for not quickhammering either wagon, and flippy and Theta are voting me.
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Post Post #1183 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:52 pm

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In post 1182, Alianna wrote: @Doc - if I'm groupscum, who's my traitor? It can't be you from your perspective, Delta's confirmed town for not quickhammering either wagon, and flippy and Theta are voting me.
I just meant objectively speaking.

I said as much I am way more certain it is Flippy.
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Post Post #1184 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 12:53 pm

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In post 1183, Doctor Drew wrote:
In post 1182, Alianna wrote: @Doc - if I'm groupscum, who's my traitor? It can't be you from your perspective, Delta's confirmed town for not quickhammering either wagon, and flippy and Theta are voting me.
I just meant objectively speaking.

I said as much I am way more certain it is Flippy.
Ah. Fair enough.
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Post Post #1185 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:22 pm

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Post Post #1186 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:22 pm

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Post Post #1187 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:24 pm

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i have had my case on drew and alianna since the start of day three

i have made my arguments for why they are scum together
and really i am more focused on my case on them as scum then proving flippy as town cause flippy is self admittedly fine with getting elimed

i am
really regretting not going with flippy elim yesterday though
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Post Post #1188 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:25 pm

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In post 1185, Deltabreedy wrote: My head says Emperor
My guy says Alianna
I'd say listen to your logic but I suppose you can't really trust that coming from me.
Is there anything more you'd like me to address?
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Post Post #1189 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:26 pm

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In post 1187, Theta Alpine wrote: i have had my case on drew and alianna since the start of day three

i have made my arguments for why they are scum together
and really i am more focused on my case on them as scum then proving flippy as town cause flippy is self admittedly fine with getting elimed

i am
really regretting not going with flippy elim yesterday though
Wait, you're adamant flippy isn't scum but you regret not executing them yesterday?
That doesn't feel like a real thought process.
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Post Post #1190 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:27 pm

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I just don't get why, with no votes being aimed at them, Emperor would go on a whole AtE pathway if they were town.

@Alianna - in your night actions you yourself said in [url'viewtopic.php?p=13776355#p13776355']#959[/url] that Emperor visited Drew N1.

On the assumption that they're lying, what do you think they are?
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Post Post #1191 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:29 pm

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doctor drew and alianna are the two that crumbed traitor to each other

my only similar interaction was also with doctor drew


p-edit
i would so much rather have red or bristep today then flippy in retrospect of flippy being mislim bait

also
my lock town status was on drew yesterday when i was assuming they had the lazy modifier
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Post Post #1192 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:30 pm

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In post 1190, Deltabreedy wrote: I just don't get why, with no votes being aimed at them, Emperor would go on a whole AtE pathway if they were town.
flippy i think is kind of like me
they plan on getting elimed before the end of the game as town
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Post Post #1193 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:31 pm

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Why do I need to assume Emperor is lying about their role? Did I miss something? Is there a reason scum!Emperor can't be a tracker?
If they are lying, I don't know what they are. It could be any role that has a reason to visit Doc N1. Could be actual tracker, could be another scum investigative, could be something else entirely.
Flavor's tracker-finder flip makes it likely that he is an actual tracker, whether it's just that or combined with something else as well.
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Post Post #1194 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:35 pm

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I don't really know what to say about the traitor joke. I said that because Doc claimed to be scum with only one other person and the only way a two-person scumteam happens in a 13p mini normal is if there's a traitor. I don't deny it's suspicious now but it's really a case of wrong place and wrong time.
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Post Post #1195 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:39 pm

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the only person that i think is lying about their role right now is doctor drew
and even then only partially
i do not think they are an enabler finder
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Post Post #1196 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:40 pm

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well
and i think alianna is the traitor but
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Post Post #1197 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:43 pm

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i think they are a watcher
and yes that means they are disabled by the watcher-enabler dying

but i think they are a traitor as well
just kind of makes sense mechanically

i think flippy being lazy and 2 shot is a result of review
they were always going to be lazy
review said that would still be too powerful so
two shots as well

that is
answers to the questions that have been directed my way i think
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Post Post #1198 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:44 pm

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In post 1196, Theta Alpine wrote: well
and i think alianna is the traitor but
Literally zero chance of this.
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Post Post #1199 (ISO) » Mon May 15, 2023 1:45 pm

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In post 1197, Theta Alpine wrote: i think they are a watcher
and yes that means they are disabled by the watcher-enabler dying

but i think they are a traitor as well
just kind of makes sense mechanically

i think flippy being lazy and 2 shot is a result of review
they were always going to be lazy
review said that would still be too powerful so
two shots as well

that is
answers to the questions that have been directed my way i think
You are seriously just trying to justify the reads even you don't believe.

Mech speak as a defense of Flippy now?
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