TM 2023 | Mini Normal | Endgame

[Shirou]

I will say though that yes, if I am wrong about Freedom--I deserve to fucking lose so I won't fight the elimination.

But I'm not wrong about Freedom, so. I'll never need to cross that bridge because we'll never come to it.

[Shirou]

I will say though that yes,

if I am wrong about Freedom

--

I deserve to fucking lose so I won't fight the elimination.

But I'm not wrong about Freedom, so. I'll never need to cross that bridge because we'll never come to it.

[Shirou]

VOTE: Mastina

If you're actually town you're literally more unreasonable than old Nancy.

I rest my case.

You never would have given me the benefit of doubt if our positions were reversed, you suspected me when I had such a town role claim, was allegedly roleblocked, etc. I had a lot going on for town!me but it took you Freedom flipping town for you to realize that.

You made a mistake and now is telling me I'm a horrible person if I also do a mistake.

This is the most hypocritical argument I've ever seen to be seriously argued.

[Shirou]

Ausuka if you don't care anymore about the game just vote Mastina then

and if you're scum gg you win it

and if town gg we get rid of one of the scum and the game gets closer to ending

[mastina]

DV could've been at zero votes and my spike would've still happened, because my spike was due to real life and accusing me of the spike being strategic is a fucking disgrace.

I'm not accusing it of being strategic, just that it was laser focused on Freedom and wouldn't have been like that if you weren't scum

You literally can’t say one without saying the other.

Either you say that my increase in activity to focus on Freedom was strategic and by implication accuse me of lying about real life shit,
Or you accept that my increase in activity was due to the passing of the RL issues--and thus, wasn’t strategic.

I believed that Feeedom was scum.

I was wrong.

I still believed it and was passionate about it. That’s literally proof that I'm town.

Scumastina is literally incapable of faking conviction, yet I had it on Freedom.

If I were scum I actually WOULDN’T have laser focused on Freedom, because that'd be detrimental. It'd limit the lim candidates, while also leaving me in a nigh-imposdible position in lylo of having to defend having been wrong.

But I didn’t know that Freedom would flip town and I would be in a bad spot today.

I was sure Freedom would flip scum, and that I would be cleared from having been the player who hardest pushed the scum elimination through.

[mastina]

Your action however avoided a potential guilty on you

A potential guilty from the watcher who the scum killed?

Your logic literally can't comprehend how xofelf's death contradicts your argument.

I am never afraid of the watch if I am killing the fucking watcher, now, am I?

[Shirou]

Just vote Mastina if no one cares about sorting/playing this out anymore.

I don't want discussion if this is how Mastina will treat me.

If you're town I don't care about your opinion you're being a goddamn hypocrite by telling me to never make a mistake when you just made a mistake in the past day. Literal what the fuck. In D2 I had Koba as scum even before the guilty/hammer and DeasVail as a potential partner, I'm not playing good here but I'm not being horrible to the point of being treated like this.

Should Freedom also come back from the dead to say you're an egoistical horrible player because you thought he was scum even when him knowing Mala was the fruit vendor on D1 was "proof that he was town"?

[Shirou]

I don't care anymore even if Mastina is town.

If Mastina is town I want us to lose if this is how she'll treat me just for having a scum read on her which she also had on me before Freedom flipped.

[Shirou]

Whoever is town in Ausuka/DeasVail, if any:

Vote Mastina if you're too busy or unwilling to play the game.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka if you don't care anymore about the game just vote Mastina then

and if you're scum gg you win it

and if town gg we get rid of one of the scum and the game gets closer to ending

Honestly probably down if my team is ok w it

[mastina]

What the fuck so what if I'm ever wrong, it's just a game

I am very proud of my record as town.

Not getting mislimmed is a huge fucking deal for me.

It genuinely has only happened once in the last five years. Once. In FIVE YEARS. (Warrior Cats Mafia.)

In literally every other town game, I've not been mislimmed.

So, not being mislimmed matters more to me than "just" the game.

That, aside from how I know that my elimination causes a loss for ten players this game and by default dooms my team to not winning. (Speaking of which, my team might have thoughts--I asked for them to provide them, but I can't check if they did until I get home.)

Playing to win has always taken priority over playing for fun.

Since I don’t wanna get banned tho (might already be too late for that, but, can't unpost the ban worthy things if so), I will be taking a step back.

[DrippingGoofball]

Stop posting and wait for the lurker scum to appear, please.

You have laid out your cases. I heard you. The crsnks are turning in my brain.

[Shirou]

You aren't getting banned by my hand at least because I doubt anyone can say anything that would make me report them for

I'm not offended, I'm flabbergasted that you think it's so unreasonable for me to suspect you if you're town here ever.

[mastina]

I was saying that DGB could've lied about her role, or even if telling the truth, lied about jail keeping DV.
DV could perform the kill if DGB didn’t block him.

and how would you know that DGB did or didn't jailkeep DV with a rolecop result?

That depends on the result I would get.

If she was lying, caught scum. (I actually expected a guilty with my investigation tbh.)

If she was telling the truth in claim, then I wouldn't know for sure, but I would still be able to narrow things down. Since someone needed to make the kill, an investigation would limit the options for who could--and if the only realistic option was DV or DGB, then DGB would've lied.

I admit that I probably didn’t think about it thoroughly, but I prefer to air my actions out and bounce the idea around with other players. I couldn’t do that last night with my suspicion on DGB.

[mastina]

I thought Italiano was most likely town than not, but people kept scum reading him and I eventually lost confidence (and also he thought it was a good idea to scumclaim as a joke??), Italiano flipped town.

OH don't you fucking DARE try to claim credit for MY fucking read.

I was the slot defending Italiano as town.

Not you.

Me.

[mastina]

I barely got any of the lims I wanted so far. You got the lim you wanted and now is being toxic towards me for suspecting you for it.
How does this make any sense.

Because my being wrong didn’t cost town the game.
You being wrong, does.

[Ausuka]

Saying I literally don't care is probably an exaggeration I'm just very tired by all this and it is deeply unfun.

I have thought about the game and talked about it in the discord. My thoughts yesterday were that it's DV and DGB or DV and mastina. I wanted to talk about the events of last night but honestly if Shirou is scum we lose anyway and I don't want to have to deal with him shouting at me for daring to even consider he might be scum when it's probably not going to positively impact our ev at all anyway. I also think that if it's between DGB or Mastina last night doesn't really move the needle for.me.

If DGB is scum she also pretty much wins because Shirou is totally unwilling to consider the possibility so, shrug, I think a Mastina vote is probably playing to my outs here.

[mastina]

If you're actually town here you're one of the most toxic players I've ever seen

Turns out town players don't like being voted by town in lylo!

Who'da thought?

I will never get Toxic when I believe that a player is scum doing what they do.

Those traits as town have no excuse.

[Shirou]

I barely got any of the lims I wanted so far. You got the lim you wanted and now is being toxic towards me for suspecting you for it.
How does this make any sense.

Because my being wrong didn’t cost town the game.
You being wrong, does.

Me being wrong is now costing town the game BECAUSE you were wrong yesterday. If not we would have still 2 lims left.

It's like having 2 bullets to hit a target, then you spend one and miss, give me the gun and say:

"Now, you fucking piece of shit, you need to hit it or else you're dooming us all. You're a horrible player/person if you can't manage to do that. Can't you be more reasonable?"

[DrippingGoofball]

STAHP

[Shirou]

If you're town I do not blame you for the Freedom lim that much, I can see how someone could believe he's scum even though there was evidence against that.

So why do I need to receive this treatment? "Because it's the final lim" isn't a good excuse, it's only the final lim because of your actions.

[Shirou]

STAHP

I'M SORRY DGB BUT I CAN'T STAND THIS GAME ANYMORE

I WANT MASTINA OUT OF THE GAME TODAY AND IF WE LOSE BECAUSE OF IT I DON'T CARE

THIS IS GETTING WAY TOO TOXIC AND IT NEEDS TO END

[Shirou]

Like, Mastina, you never came today with a "hey shirou, sorry for being wrong on Freedom, I should have listened to you yesterday. Can we talk? Can you even hypothetically try to consider a team without me on it?"

No, you came right in the "you're town but you're throwing and an egoistical player, I was wrong yesterday but it doesn't matter"

literal what the fuck

I do not believe that town you is this hypocritical

[Shirou]

Your attempts to "talk" to me were always a disguise to discredit me and call me bad, unreasonable and etc

if this is how you approach other townies as town AFTER they have been proved right in the last dayphase I don't know what to say to you

I think that's a bad strategy to say the least

[Shirou]

It would be really hard to make me change my mind given you didn't target me today while I was being watched, however, I could tell you that there was like, a around a 10% chance if you engaged me in good-faith and starting by admitting your mistakes and that it was understandable for me to suspect you for yesterday but that you were town and you would try hard to prove it to me or something

No, all I get is discredit, name calling and insults.

If you're scum eat that loss.

If you're town let's eat that loss together.