In post 1344, Bazuf wrote:
I think you should read again 1326
He's absolutely SR'ing you.
I read it, it's full of Confirmation Bias and doesn't actually show scum motivation, so again, why are you just trying to run with it?
No one else that read it went for me based on that information, so again why does it make YOU think i am scum.
UNVOTE: Towwl VOTE: Bazuf
Just want to make sure we're not going after Bazuf for poor reading comprehension, because that's what I'm seeing here, and I don't think misunderstanding the situation is necessarily scum motivated. Plus this isn't exactly opportunistic from him, there's progression: in 1318 he says he's already concerned about your slot.
Why does Bazuf not have to actually give his reasoning?
Why can i not ask any questions of Bazuf without your interjection?
The irony is, you should know why i'm doing this line of questioning, i've made my position clear in the past, so why is it so important for you to get in the middle?
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Why does Bazuf not have to actually give his reasoning?
Why can i not ask any questions of Bazuf without your interjection?
The irony is, you should know why i'm doing this line of questioning, i've made my position clear in the past, so why is it so important for you to get in the middle?
I'm not talking for Bazuf, I never said he doesn't need to give his reasoning, I never thought I was robbing you of anything by posting my thoughts, and I enjoy posting my thoughts because posting is fun. I'll try to show some more restraint then, sorry.
In post 1355, GuerillaWoo wrote:
Not to belabor the point, but how do you see no value in a push when you've seemingly soft-reset your reads based on the prior flips
Nah you're right. Of course I think there's value in pushing Bazuf, this particular point (Bazuf thinking Jason missed that Bulge is scumreading him) just pinged me as coming from a NAI misunderstanding
In post 1329, JasonWazza wrote:
I love how your entire post of how i replaced in, can be read as me just being a Townie trying to stop a shit show, but you are just changing that to scum to suit a narrative.
I clearly knew i was being scum read, so again, not really a reasonable assumption to make anyway just as a point.
trying to remove my point don't to thinking I'm not being scumread isn't NAI, it's actually extremely indicative.
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@Jason: You getting weirdly defensive and voting me, only makes me think that Bulge might be on to something.
But I'd like to hear from other players regarding the Bulge analysis of you...
@Guerrilla, regarding your question, I was actually looking for comments from you, not for you to ask me instead.
But ok.
At some point you and Bulge got TR'd after your argument with overseer, so scum could go either way...
Either killing one of you, making sure to eliminate "an assured Townie", leaving other suspicious people alive.
Or since they are reading you as VT, they could target someone else to try and hit a PR.
I can only assume one of two reasons why they killed Pink.
Either they were afraid he could discover one of them (if he didn’t already)
Or they thought he was a PR.
Which one do you think it was??
Also, I’m working on another theory and would really like to hear from other players.
How likely would be for Guerrilla/Bulge to be both scum?
Imagine that they (Guerrilla/overseer) purposely started that argument, with the intention of one being flipped.
Any one that flipped, would flip red and the other one would probably get TR’d for the rest of the game.
So, maybe Guerrilla pushed for this, overseer got annoyed with it and left the game, and by the time Bulge got in it the whole thing was kinda settled?
Pink was the unpredictable factor, pushing a lim on Delta which kinda put the whole Guerrilla/Overseer thing to second plan.
The insistence on Guerrilla wanting to be limed might have come from he knowing that he would flip red and this would TR his partner.
What do you think?
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In post 1358, Bazuf wrote:
You getting weirdly defensive and voting me
Defensive?
No i'm on Offense, try again.
In post 1358, Bazuf wrote:
But I'd like to hear from other players regarding the Bulge analysis of you...
Everyone has posted, no one acknowledged it, no one voted me, seems most think it's crap all things considered (and it literally is just a conf biased version of me joining the game, and trying to stop players fighting, there is nothing to actually think from it, because again, the motivation is missing)
In post 1358, Bazuf wrote:
Also, I’m working on another theory and would really like to hear from other players.
How likely would be for Guerrilla/Bulge to be both scum?
Considering you are saying i am scum, how would this be possible?
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@Jason, you seem to be forgetting that the post was from Bulge and I acknowledged it... so there's two players there...
and I don't really care you saying its crap or not, your opinion about here is irrelevant...
It's more relevant what you think of me, so let's go down that road...
I'm not pushing any lims, I'm putting things on the table for discussion, as I believe that's how town finds scum...
Do you have any other way of knowing who's who?
At the end of the day I'm ok being limmed today.
But before that I can assure you that it is in towns best interest to discuss these topics.
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In post 1363, Bazuf wrote:
I'm not pushing any lims, I'm putting things on the table for discussion
Ok so why is Towwl not a choice?
For someone that is literally paranoid of every player, seems weird that you wouldn't consider Towwl at all.
In post 1363, Bazuf wrote:
you seem to be forgetting that the post was from Bulge and I acknowledged it... so there's two players there...
You realize that there are more people in the town, and literally no one else acknowledged it right?
So let's stop with the BS, why is it so convincing to YOU?
I'm not asking the question again btw, one more chance.
In post 1363, Bazuf wrote:
It's more relevant what you think of me, so let's go down that road...
Also just want to point out how your allowed to put people on the table, but if i question your motivation, that's irrelevant, how exactly does that work?
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@Guerrilla, if you go back you find many people saying that probably your whole argument was TvT, and the fact that you are both still here kinda proves that...
I'm not sure if you're both town, but I want to believe that at least one of you is...
If you're both town, good for town because we'll find scum quicker.
If you're both scum, you deserve to win for all the theatricals...
Also, I've explained my reasoning why someone might kill one of you. Don't know how to explain it any better.
@Jason, I'll just tell you this...
I'm pretty sure that between you, mala and mafiabat there's at least one scum.
I think you're clever enough to understand that and why I'm not mentioning towwl at all...
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In post 1358, Bazuf wrote:
I can only assume one of two reasons why they killed Pink.
Either they were afraid he could discover one of them (if he didn’t already)
Or they thought he was a PR.
Neither. I already pointed you to #1314, where I say the NK doesn't tell me anything. It could be fodder for a scum D2 push. It could be a bad kill based on a misunderstanding or newbie scum. It could be about confusing town and creating endless speculation. None of these can particularly be given more weight than the other atm. The fact that the kill feels like it could be about shading one of Pink's reads feels like it's fruitless to for me to speculate on, at least for now.
In post 1366, Bazuf wrote:
@Guerrilla, if you go back you find many people saying that probably your whole argument was TvT, and the fact that you are both still here kinda proves that...
I'm not saying neither of us had TRs, I'm asking you who you think town read us so much that scum would avoid killing us.
In post 1366, Bazuf wrote:
Also, I've explained my reasoning why someone might kill one of you. Don't know how to explain it any better.
I'm not asking this there though?? You said "Why do you think scum didn't kill you/bulge?", and imo it's very important to understand why you asked this. I'd still like an answer.
The irony of things is this, for Bazuf to think that Guerilla/Bulge are kill options, he has to think i am town, because i'm the main proponent of this thinking.
None of Bazuf's thinking actually makes sense in context, hence why he is having such a rough time explaining and why he posts shit like this.
In post 1363, Bazuf wrote:
It's more relevant what you think of me, so let's go down that road...
Because he can't explain his motivations clearly, Town would be able to explain their own thinking, and wouldn't need someone to point out all the contradictions to them, for them to be able to fix their thinking.
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