BooneyToonz XVI: Boons Ahoy! - [END]

[TemporalLich]

but yeah I'm okay with a Ranger lim considering I only see a strange softclaim when Ranger is pretty much at E-1 with intent

[TemporalLich]

as in, extremely easy for scum to fake level of softclaim

[Ranger]

I am curious why you haven't voted Emperor yet!

I certainly will if there's momentum behind it.

I like my vote on Frogs because I believe Frogs is scum regardless; Emperor flippyNips is only hard-scum if Norwee was the nightkill.

because you have said quite a few times you think Frogs is mafia, but you do not seem interested either in pushing there to survive and continue to fight for your worldview!!

I'm not sure what gives you the impression I'm not pushing Frogs.

Alisae is a member of the Frogs hydra.

Every time I refer to Alisae/Frogs, it is demonstrating why I feel they're town.
I believe they're scum by setup.
I believe they're scum by play.
I believe they're scum by interactions with dead scum.

I believe they're scum regardless of whether Norwee was killed or WhemeStar was.

[Peregrine]

Hello! I am popping in for a little bit!

Peregrine did you receive a Bip last night

I am not sure what this is! But no!

[Peregrine]

I am curious why you haven't voted Emperor yet!

I certainly will if there's momentum behind it.

I like my vote on Frogs because I believe Frogs is scum regardless; Emperor flippyNips is only hard-scum if Norwee was the nightkill.

because you have said quite a few times you think Frogs is mafia, but you do not seem interested either in pushing there to survive and continue to fight for your worldview!!

I'm not sure what gives you the impression I'm not pushing Frogs.

Alisae is a member of the Frogs hydra.

Every time I refer to Alisae/Frogs, it is demonstrating why I feel they're town.
I believe they're scum by setup.
I believe they're scum by play.
I believe they're scum by interactions with dead scum.

I believe they're scum regardless of whether Norwee was killed or WhemeStar was.

Sorry, I meant Emperor! I am aware that you are pushing Frogs! And would be rather silly to not be aware!!

[Ranger]

yeah... Ranger's distortion of thoughts makes Ranger an excellent lim

To what distorted thoughts do you refer?

that entire bit about everyone townreading Whemestar and then explaining it away as everyone reading Whemestar as more towny late D1 is a good example of distorted thoughts

What's distorted about the truth?
There was vibes of WhemeStar being town--momentum indicated more players were thinking more favorably of him.
I've been quite consistent about this.
It's factual at the end of D1, players were seeing WhemeStar more favorably than earlier.
It's thus factual WhemeStar was on the upwards swing, being seen as more town than before.
I'm not the one distorting reality.
That's those who deny what was actually happening.

Yeah because I investigated Theta Alpine last night.

Paraphrasing a Role PM takes seconds; fabricating a fakeclaim takes an eternity.

I know my role; I've no need to stall to fakeclaim.

I've clearly not been communicating with the mod or talking in a PT. The length of time for posts is too short. I'm clearly not thinking about a claim. I'm giving too focused of thoughts to be developing a claim.

I claim on my terms--not yours.

My terms were providing my thoughts first, and claiming after I'd done so.

but yeah I'm okay with a Ranger lim considering I only see a strange softclaim when Ranger is pretty much at E-1 with intent

I made my intent to fullclaim clear.

I'm a 2-shot universal backup.

When Students died, I gained one use of their gunsmith role, and I gunsmithed Theta Alpine.

When WhemeStar died, I gained one use of his role. As the scum kill is apparently blocked tonight, my plan was always to holster N2 and use it N3. With it claimed, I lose the value behind it. Still, I lose the value behind it if eliminated before I could use it.

And yes, I did breadcrumb.

[Peregrine]

This might sound extremely weird, but i feel Klick is pretty alive and maybe even slightly erratic in this game, and i think that’s different from their scumgame which i view as slightly more sterile and clean.

I think more erratic is a good way to describe how they are now, versus how I thought they came across at the beginning of the game!

[Ranger]

Sorry, I meant Emperor! I am aware that you are pushing Frogs! And would be rather silly to not be aware!!

My Emperor read is underdeveloped.

The entirety of the Emperor scumread is:
Norwee scumread Emperor;
If Norwee was killed, it means Emperor is more likely scum;
Emperor's iso is fairly devoid of content.

All of this is things I discovered late last night.

I've not had time to process and think of it.

Given time, I'd love to investigate Emperor's content more thoroughly. I've not had the chance.

For Frogs, I have.

Thus, I'd vote Emperor if momentum was there; lacking it, I prefer Frogs.

[Peregrine]

Can you clarify how your role works? I am sorry if this is a silly question!

[Ranger]

I'm a 2-shot universal backup.

When Students died, I gained one use of their gunsmith role, and I gunsmithed Theta Alpine.

When WhemeStar died, I gained one use of his role. As the scum kill is apparently blocked tonight, my plan was always to holster N2 and use it N3. With it claimed, I lose the value behind it. Still, I lose the value behind it if eliminated before I could use it.

And yes, I did breadcrumb.

Receipts;

I'm glad Theta died; dead scum N1 >

dead scum D2

.

I'm miffed Theta died; had she not,

I'd be voting her today

.

Once students flipped town,

I checked

for which townread was wrong, and

I landed on Theta

.

It's good I was right, but

annoying my effort was wasted

.

Even tho I don't really understand why you are miffed. I think it's a good thing that you got confirmation of your scum read.

It’s

good

, I'm just miffed it meant

my efforts last night were wasted

. I came into today believing

I'd be making a big reveal of Theta being scum

. Oh well!

Important;

Whemestar bodyguarded someone from mafia kill. Because they were targeted instead, Disabler kicked in. Therefore mafia can't kill anyone next night.

While I'm not certain it works this way,

if

it does,

WE ARE A ONE SHOT VIG / ONE SHOT TRACKER

Ideal play would be

holstering any protection/tracking/watching actions with gates

.

Do you have any way to confirm this.

I've no need to confirm what I know is true.
So, Theta Alpine was

my top pick for scum last night

.

The investigation on Theta Alpine, as well as me now having WhemeStar's role, are both rather clear.

[Ranger]

Can you clarify how your role works? I am sorry if this is a silly question!

I inherit one use of the first two PRs of my alignment to die.

Students died D1, and was the first PR of my alignment to die, so I inherited a use of their split gunsmith.

WhemeStar died N1, and was the second PR of my alignment to die, so I inherited a use of his Privateer.

[TemporalLich]

yeah idk

I still think Ranger is intent on controlling the town, and universal backup is a strange role to claim and privateer is trivially confirmable

[TemporalLich]

but yeah I really do not like Ranger's vibes at all to the point Ranger might as well have claimed garlabprelfig

[Ranger]

I still think Ranger is intent on controlling the town

Not exactly.

I'm intent on not letting scum control the game.

I believe the push on me is backed largely by scum, with the aid of town unwilling to accept my worldview is valid.

I'd let town not being pocketed by a top scumread of mine, lead on a player I don't strongly know/believe is town.

Since the current major wagon is on the one player I know is town, backed by my top scumreads, I'm disinclined to let them have their way.

[TemporalLich]

now I'm pretty sure you are intent on controlling the town

[Ranger]

now I'm pretty sure you are intent on controlling the town

Well believe what you like.

I happen to know your beliefs aren't correct, given they have me as scum.

I like where I'll stand in postgame a lot more.

[Ranger]

I figured I should also share this.
It

should

be obvious to everyone, but my trust in other players to know the obvious is at an all-time low, so I don't trust you to have figured it out.

Obviously, I'm not in a neighborhood, despite how WhemeStar was. Neighborhoods aren't considered part of the base role, and I inherited the base role.

[TemporalLich]

congrats for proving you fakeclaimed a trivially confirmable role

[TemporalLich]

if anyone can hammer Ranger, please do so

Ranger is basically lockscum now and even if the claim is true the explanation reads as "scum trying to explain a fakeclaim"

[Ranger]

congrats for proving you fakeclaimed a trivially confirmable role

Well it's not a fakeclaim.

The evidence is there.

I did investigate Theta Alpine last night.

I do have WhemeStar's protective role.

I clearly was playing this way.

My annoyance at Theta Alpine being killed N1 was because I would've become conftown D2 by leading a scum elimination on her.
I clearly indicated intent to holster on my protective tonight.

Had I gone unclaimed, I would've breadcrumbed my N3 target on D3.

I had strong reason to not wish to claim.

The easiest way to avoid claiming would be to convince people the wagon on me is nonsense.

Which it is.

After I flip town, you'll see it as so.

And I won't be the one living with the shame after. That lies squarely with those who refuse to accept I maybe,

maybe

, have good points.

[Here There Be Dragons]

i don't particularly get why we're doing this

a little puzzled by the backup/split gunsmith interaction i guess

-c

[Ranger]

if anyone can hammer Ranger, please do so

Imagine being so blinded by the idea of me being scum you refuse to accept I have perhaps made good arguments and come from a perspective where I know what I'm talking about.

Every solve proposed by the likes of Frogs, Klick, and Norwee relies on players being scum which contain at least one player I know isn't.

I've been ignored when I laid out what caused my read on Theta Alpine to shift, causing me to investigate her.
I've been ignored in my reason for believing Frogs' role is a scum role.
I've been called crazy for stating WhemeStar's momentum was moving towards town, despite this objectively being true.
I've been called crazy for stating Norwee wasn't widely townread, despite Norwee having only five townreads, making this objectively true.
I've been called crazy for inferring from the above any scum killing Norwee would have viewed him as a threat.

I've been ignored when I laid out the interactions suggesting Frogs is scum with Theta Alpine.

Those are actions you will realize when I flip town, you and you alone are responsible for. Not I.

[Ranger]

i don't particularly get why we're doing this

Because I'm a threat to scum by having fingered Frogs. That's why.

[TemporalLich]

except you won't flip town because this isn't a bastard game and death godfather is not a possible role

[Ranger]

NorwegianboyEE killed, WhemeStar saved:

{NorwegianboyEE, Firebringer, Kitty Trauma Team}
{TemporalLich, Peregrine, Enchant}
{Here There Be Dragons}
{Klick}
{Doctor Drew}
{Frogs, Emperor flippyNips}

WhemeStar directly killed:

{Kitty Trauma Team}
{Peregrine, TemporalLich, Enchant}
{Here There Be Dragons}
{Klick}
{NorwegianboyEE, Firebringer}
{Emperor flippyNips}
{Doctor Drew}
{Frogs}

The Norwee-killed list I'm happy with. The WhemeStar-killed list, less so.