Normal 2302: Magical Girls | GAME OVER

[sheepsaysmeep]

What are ur thoughts on the things u asked about

Sorry if they’re already out there I’m basically going to sleep

[Elements]

Emperor is towny enough for day 1
Daisy I want to lean town, but she hasn't done enough to deserve a town read
Hu Tao is entierly null to me

[Elements]

Daisy claiming town is more likely to come from town!her

[sheepsaysmeep]

Interesting thank u

I think ur town

Tbh I find the assertiveness of ur reads kinda overblown, like “towny enough for day 1” for example doesn’t feel appropriate at this stage
and generally I think that’s actually slightly more likely wolf

but the more I think about it, I think in context of the slowness of this game, the level of reads you’ve been doing is very town-beneficial -> town

[Elements]

I try to play day one to make things happen

[Elements]

Whether it works or not is another matter

[sheepsaysmeep]

Makes sense I think it’s been helpful

[geraintm]

game so slow is really weird

It's day 1, what do you expect?

[Elements]

Day 1s can be exciting

[geraintm]

Day 1s can be exciting

I beg to differ

[Elements]

Do you like final 3s?

[OopsieDaisy]

I agree with you on that (not exactly a OMGUS but paraphrasing) although it pinged me as slightly scummy that your first reaction was "my post was a joke, I'll try not to joke anymore" as opposed to anything else

Why alter your play because someone found you suspicious? Plus like, you weren't really responding to what oopsy said more so much as reacting dejectedly, maybe to change oopsy's mind. Admittedly what oopsy was arguing was a stretch but i think it would have been relatively easy to argue against

Tweet put it better than I could, my read on Bristar is getting gradually worse. I also feel like they're reacting differently then the stoic town Bristar I remember from reading 2300. It seemed like an emotionally motivated move to throw out the "Oh I can't joke now?" post and Bri in 2300 was one of the least emotional players in the game iirc. Again I'm basing this read off of a thread I skimmed through for funsies so if Gera thinks I'm mischaracterising here let me know, but from what I remember this is weird.

[Elements]

How highly do you value meta Daisy?

[OopsieDaisy]

In terms of other reads:

I like Towwl and Tweet. Towwl gave us some nice insight in 60 from the large normal he read, and instead of using that insight to ignite a push against a player like I am VS Bri, seeing him use that to cover Hu Tao and CKD from immediate susses is more passive yet is something I still like. Unless Towwl is scum with either of them (which is v possible) I like this play a lot and at this point in the game that's enough to lean town here.

Tweet I'm just on the same page as me so it's natural for me to lean town here. Could she already be setting up to buddy me by following my reads? Definitely. But her follow-up post against Bri in 84 did manage to vocalise a lot of the worries I had on the spot when I got the response I did, and I've liked the rest of her activity, so yea townlean here.

Sheep and Elements have made a lot of posts but I'm still yet to see anything that's pinged me towards town or scum for them. It should also be noted Elements is someone I've played with a lot and so I'm very aware their activity early game isn't really indicative of their alignment.

[OopsieDaisy]

How highly do you value meta Daisy?

As someone who plays way more irl mafia than forum mafia, where the focus is a lot more on body language and quick cases against other players, I value meta very highly. Obviously in forum mafia the ability to fake your self-meta is a lottt easier because you've only gotta worry about the content and style of your posts rather than all the extra stuff that irl mafia brings, so I do feel I likely value it too highly when in a forum setting, but it's an area I'm familiar with using to build my reads so I'm using that for now.

[OopsieDaisy]

How highly do you value meta Daisy?

Also right back at you, how highly do you value meta? I know you've used my meta for and against me a lot but you've also got a lot more forum experience so I'm interested to hear what you think.

[Elements]

In terms of other reads:

I like Towwl and Tweet. Towwl gave us some nice insight in 60 from the large normal he read, and instead of using that insight to ignite a push against a player like I am VS Bri, seeing him use that to cover Hu Tao and CKD from immediate susses is more passive yet is something I still like. Unless Towwl is scum with either of them (which is v possible) I like this play a lot and at this point in the game that's enough to lean town here.

Interesting you view it as a town leany thing to do. If anything I think the opposite. All Towwl has done is point out something that happened to two players in a game. It's early day one so there have been hardly any reads going around I need to grab my laptop to type this up

[OopsieDaisy]

In terms of other reads:

I like Towwl and Tweet. Towwl gave us some nice insight in 60 from the large normal he read, and instead of using that insight to ignite a push against a player like I am VS Bri, seeing him use that to cover Hu Tao and CKD from immediate susses is more passive yet is something I still like. Unless Towwl is scum with either of them (which is v possible) I like this play a lot and at this point in the game that's enough to lean town here.

Interesting you view it as a town leany thing to do. If anything I think the opposite. All Towwl has done is point out something that happened to two players in a game. It's early day one so there have been hardly any reads going around I need to grab my laptop to type this up

That's fair, just in the absence of content that we have in the game right now I appreciate it. By saying this Towwl is showing he has specific knowledge on these players, and by committing to telling us what that knowledge is, he now has to stick by it. Mafia imo wouldn't show their cards as quickly.

[Elements]

I like Towwl and Tweet. Towwl gave us some nice insight in 60 from the large normal he read, and instead of using that insight to ignite a push against a player like I am VS Bri, seeing him use that to cover Hu Tao and CKD from immediate susses is more passive yet is something I still like. Unless Towwl is scum with either of them (which is v possible) I like this play a lot and at this point in the game that's enough to lean town here.

Interesting you view it as a town leany thing to do. If anything I think the opposite. All Towwl has done is point out something that happened to two players in a game. It's early day one so there have been hardly any reads going around and Towwl is soft defending them. This could easily be Scum!Towwl defending team mates like you said, or Scum!Towwl appealing to people he knows are town, maybe a bit of both. On the passive side, again being passive is a much safer thing for scum to do rather than sticking your neck out and actively pushing or defending a point. So all in all, I hard disagree with you here

[Elements]

How highly do you value meta Daisy?

Also right back at you, how highly do you value meta? I know you've used my meta for and against me a lot but you've also got a lot more forum experience so I'm interested to hear what you think.

I'm not a fan of meta
Partly because most of the time I get bored reading other people's past games
Partly because it's easy to manipulate
Partly because I'm not very good at recognising it

[OopsieDaisy]

Tho I do agree active play > passive play typically, but it always depends on the player. Because I don't know anything about the metas/playstyle of anyone not named Elements/Gera/Bristar in this game I'm not gonna use that as a big point just yet. Especially because we're so early into the game right now.

[Elements]

That's fair, just in the absence of content that we have in the game right now I appreciate it. By saying this Towwl is showing he has specific knowledge on these players, and by committing to telling us what that knowledge is, he now has to stick by it. Mafia imo wouldn't show their cards as quickly.

It is knowledge that is public, so it's not something special that's been brought up we couldn't have known otherwise.
Does saying that we know each other well and have played a lot of irl mafia together have the same effect? That's information about two players that the others problaby don't know, and also isn't available for them to find on the site. Therefore potentially showing more cards as it were

[Elements]

Tho I do agree active play > passive play typically, but it always depends on the player. Because I don't know anything about the metas/playstyle of anyone not named Elements/Gera/Bristar in this game I'm not gonna use that as a big point just yet. Especially because we're so early into the game right now.

if
Active > Passive
most of the time

does it not follow that you should default to that assumption when dealing with players you havn't enountered before until shown otherwise?

[Elements]

[quote=OopsieDaisy post_id=13797048 post_num=120 time=1685617179 user_id=35331just yet
[/quote]
I do see the just yet

[Elements]

@StD
what do you think is the most AI post so far?