Newbie 2124 - Postgame

[Bellaphant]

Vs Bella? I'm trying to understand

[heipizhu4]

heipi: thinks there is one mafia in ct,pc,ccg but weirdly backtracks it all saying we could all be town????????? townreads bella, happy, ct??????, and sheep, null reads mcendu and recently I guess scumreads molla. idk 167

Oops, post 167 is outdated currently, since the post is mainly based on player groups (since you and ccg fight so hard then).
My current read is somehow like mcendu's read, except for the sheep.

So putting down my reads.

BBm: Scummy. Has scumread me but never elaborated on the reads, yet they just tries to persuade others in voting me out. Wondering if this is scum trying to push for an easy lim.

Bella: Town. Haven't found much scummy in my ISO read. Reasons on scumreading me are quite better than BBmolla.

CCG: Town. Detailed reading of stuff to work things out.
On CCG's townread on me, there are some context invented there. I actually failed to notice anything weird during the summary...But I can say for sure that I did not think that CCG should be limmed Day 1.

Typewriter: I am getting town vibes on him.

hpz: Town. Put down base facts in a way that facilitates analysis, and is actively analyzing the game. Brightly pro-town actions.

iavh: Scumlean? Vote pattern at least are questionable, moving off Typewriter real quick and voting PC when consensus leaned toward TvT on CT vs PC.

McEndu: I am claiming town like everyone else.

PC: Null read.

sheep: Town, with similar reasons as Bella.

The preclvious read is based on group analysis, and I've changed my read on:
1 McEndu null to tl. I've watched mc played in a 3p micro as town before, and this gives me some extra town points for being somehow similar across games.
2 sheep t to null. Idk, but lots of the sheep's reads are yes, 'lazy' somehow, despite the fact that he's an se
3 pc sl to null/tl. He has done a great job in analyzing instead of being extremely 'jumpy', so I'll change my read on him.

And I'm actually considering the fight between pc and ccg are indeed tvt you know, since the sus level of 'not in the previous fight zone' has grown a lot recently.

[heipizhu4]

In fact, the thing that's making me wonder about moving my vote is the weirdness from other players about getting the slot elimed whilst noone has mcendu in their town reads.

@mollq and sheep, likelihood of white knighting?

P-edit if you knew all along why were you still saying one to me? That makes even less sense than saying 'i get it wrong"

I'm now having mc in my tl slot, and so does ccg in 455.
For me it's reasonable for the fact that few of us has a town slot mc because
1 Most of the reads are from post 200-300, where mcendu just joined (so most of us gave null)
2 His posts got attacked from time to time by bb, bella and sheep.

[McEndu]

Vs Bella? I'm trying to understand

I am trying to understand either. I am learning how to engage after I was thrown on the wagon, but all attempts prove futile.

[heipizhu4]

The preclvious read is based on group analysis, and I've changed my read on:
1 McEndu null to tl. I've watched mc played in a 3p micro as town before, and this gives me some extra town points for being somehow similar across games.
2 sheep t to null. Idk, but lots of the sheep's reads are yes, 'lazy' somehow, despite the fact that he's an se
3 pc sl to null/tl. He has done a great job in analyzing instead of being extremely 'jumpy', so I'll change my read on him.

4 BB n to s/sl due to lurking and some sussy posting.

[McEndu]

And I'm actually considering the fight between pc and ccg are indeed tvt you know, since the sus level of 'not in the previous fight zone' has grown a lot recently.

What is 'not in the previous fight zone'?

[heipizhu4]

And I'm actually considering the fight between pc and ccg are indeed tvt you know, since the sus level of 'not in the previous fight zone' has grown a lot recently.

What is 'not in the previous fight zone'?

The table above mainly focuses on post #80-110, where the most 'reads' posts appear. I probably would like to sort the players into 3 parts, that is
1 CT PC and CCG. They seem to be pretty stressful these days, giving out reads, trying to defend themselves hard and attaking their opponents. I personally have a hard time reading, but there is one thing I can say is that there should be at least 1 mafias among them
2 Bella Iavh ct sheep and me. These players hasn't received strong scumreads from others (while iavh received several soft scumreads), I tend to put sheep in my town slot, ct and bella+60 and iavh in +20 for their reads.
3 Bbmola and Mcendu. BBmola hasn't yet posted a full read instead of one longer post consist of three post analysis, and 4 short posts. Kind of inactive, but will put bbmola in neutral slot for now. About McEndu, I currently have nullreads on him for apparent reasons. What I can say is that never treat this 'newbie' as a newbie since he has already modded 3 complete games on another site

Group 2 and 3

[heipizhu4]

think I’ve got the scumteam tbh.

PCs post on this page is town

Great, so who belong to the team?

[Bellaphant]

UNVOTE:

[BBmolla]

think I’ve got the scumteam tbh.

PCs post on this page is town

Great, so who belong to the team?

You/McEndu

[BBmolla]

@Political Clout
I wonder what are you thinking about me.

@BBmolla
Again, care to elaborate?

Elaborate what

your scumread on me

You joined the game, proceeded to sit back and not do anything particularly Townie, I voted you, you started being scummy, you claimed VT cause it’s probably you/heip (I don’t see a SE telling you to claim that)

At this point PoE as well, I have reasons to think others are town aside from you and heip.

[McEndu]

you claimed VT cause it’s probably you/heip (I don’t see a SE telling you to claim that)

I was forced to roleclaim as iavh was threatening to hammer if I would not do so.

Also SE position abuse.

[McEndu]

I didn't forsee that PC would unvote before iavh's claimed roleclaim deadline.

[heipizhu4]

@Political Clout
I wonder what are you thinking about me.

@BBmolla
Again, care to elaborate?

Elaborate what

your scumread on me

You joined the game, proceeded to sit back and not do anything particularly Townie, I voted you, you started being scummy, you claimed VT cause it’s probably you/heip (I don’t see a SE telling you to claim that)

At this point PoE as well, I have reasons to think others are town aside from you and heip.

You joined the game, proceeded to sit back decided to go lurking, you voted me, hoping that I'll say something wrong, and you found that mcendu is a better target than me, then you kept pushing.

[heipizhu4]

I have reasons to think others are town aside from you and heip.

OK, fine. How about try to take yourself outside the game and act like an 'observer' and open a multi-iso of heipizhu, McEndu and you and see who is the most sus?

[heipizhu4]

you claimed VT cause it’s probably you/heip

I don't see the point here.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!
While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

[BBmolla]

You both just proved my point on you claiming VT by not understanding why I brought it up, that’s all I’ll say lmao

[McEndu]

Oh, and one more thing about this:

(I don’t see a SE telling you to claim that)

Why does it require a SE telling me to claim for me to claim? SE slot is not used like that. Any intent to hammer telling me to claim, SE or newbie, would make me claim, because if I stay silent on that my slot would be hard dead.

If BBmolla flips as scum, let's not rule out the possibility of the scum team being two SEs.

[McEndu]

And as some white noise, BBmolla's read: me and hpz scum, others town

[McEndu]

I voted you, you started being scummy

Can you detail the traits of me being scummy? Just stating "scummy" is still not proper elaboration.

[McEndu]

Less than 24 hours, we need to get somebody out

[McEndu]

Oh, and one more thing about this:

(I don’t see a SE telling you to claim that)

Why does it require a SE telling me to claim for me to claim? SE slot is not used like that. Any intent to hammer telling me to claim, SE or newbie, would make me claim, because if I stay silent on that my slot would be hard dead.

If BBmolla flips as scum, let's not rule out the possibility of the scum team being two SEs.

To go further, the only argument from BBmolla for supporting that I fakeclaimed VT is an argument from authority.

This constitutes a logical fallacy here.

When the integrity of arguments starts to fall apart, it is probably scum revealing themself. Let's get BBmolla out.

[ChicagoTypewriter]

Quick post, b/c I don't really have time. I'll follow up later.

I find BBmolla to be a bit scummy now, I'd take eliminating him today and if town go after his readlist tomorrow. I'll elaborate in a bit.

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: bbmolla

E-1.

I think mcendu might be a communication issue.

[ChicagoTypewriter]

VOTE: bbmolla
I think mcendu might be a communication issue.

Well, half that and half the scum deciding to gaslight the poor man from my perspective.

Bella, I'm about sixty-seventy percent ready to hammer BBmolla; unless CT beats me to the punch. Want to make me a pitch while I go ISO him for a bit?